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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Cannonball888 on March 11, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
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Forgive me if this has been posted before. I just received it in my email.
Good idea? Bad? Make it a sticky? Discuss.
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There's a storm abrewin'. What happens when good, responsible people keep quiet? Washington has forgotten they work for us. We don't work for them. Throwing good money after bad is NOT the answer. I am sick of the midnight, closed door sessions to come up with a plan. I am sick of Congress raking CEO's over the coals while they, themselves, have defaulted on their taxes. I am sick of the bailed out companies having lavish vacations and retreats on my dollar. I am sick of being told it is MY responsibility to rescue people that, knowingly, bought more house than they could afford. I am sick of being made to feel it is my patriotic duty to pay MORE taxes. I, like all of you, am a responsible citizen. I pay my taxes. I live on a budget and I don't ask someone else to carry the burden fo r poor decisions I may make. I have emailed my congressmen and senators asking them to NOT vote for the stimulus package as it was written without reading it first.. No one listened. They voted for it, pork and all.
O.K. folks, here it is. You may think you are just one voice and what you think won't make a difference. Well, yes it will and YES, WE CAN!! If you are disgusted and angry with the way Washington is handling our taxes. If you are fearful of the fallout from the reckless spending of BILLIONS to bailout and "stimulate" without accountability and responsibility then we need to become ONE, LOUD VOICE THAT CAN BE HEARD FROM EVERY CITY, TOWN, SUBURB AND HOME IN AMERICA. There is a growing protest to demand that Congress, the President and his cabinet LISTEN to us, the American Citizens. What is being done in Washington is NOT the way to handle the economic free fall.
So, here's the plan. On April 1, 2009, all Americans are asked to send a TEABAG to Washington , D.C. You do not have to enclose a note or any other information unless you so desire. Just a TEABAG. Many cities are organizing protests. If you simply search, "New American Tea Party", several sites will come up. If you aren't the 'protester' type, simply make your one voice heard with a TEABAG. Your one voice will become a roar when joined with millions of others that feel the same way. Yes, something needs to be done but the lack of confidence as shown by the steady decline in the stock market speaks volumes.
This was not my idea. I visited the sites of the 'New American Tea Party' and an online survey showed over 90% of thousands said they would send the teabag on April 1. Why, April 1?? We want them to reach Washington by April 15. Will you do it? I will.
Send it to; 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington , D.C. 20500 ....
Forward this to everyone in your address book. Visit the website below for more information about the 'New American Tea Party'. I would encourage everyone to go ahead and get the envelope ready to mail, then just drop it in the mail April 1. Can't guarantee what the postage will be by then, it is going up as we speak, but have your envelope ready. What will this cost you? A little time and a 40 something cent stamp.
What could you receive in benefits? Maybe, just maybe, our elected officials will start to listen to the people. Take out the Pork. Tell us how the money is being spent. We want TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. Remember, the money will be spent over the next 4-5 years. It is not too late.
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I would/will. But as a current member of the US military, I am curious to what reprecussions might be in store for me if i take part in protests and such.
*I know I can't go to actual protests in uniform or pretend my views are the Army's, but would sending a teabag put me on some list that can be cross referenced to my Army file?
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I got this one too. I'll be tea-bagging Obama.
:angel:
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I got this one too. I'll be tea-bagging Obama.
:angel:
I pictured it, and now I hate you. :lol:
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I would/will. But as a current member of the US military, I am curious to what reprecussions might be in store for me if i take part in protests and such.
*I know I can't go to actual protests in uniform or pretend my views are the Army's, but would sending a teabag put me on some list that can be cross referenced to my Army file?
Well, if you're sending a tea bag, you can always omit the return address label . . .
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Mail to the President or your congresscritter without a return label will likely get incinerated rather than read. When I worked for the fed.gov, that was high on the list of suspicous mail features.
Personally, were I to protest in this manner, I would certainly include a letter with the teabag.
Dear Congress critter/Prez Obama:
Please stop spending money we don't have. You're not stimulating anything except uslesess pet projects. Were I to behave with my checkbook in that fashion, I'd certainly end up in jail. I can't spend my way out of debt, and the Government shouldn't try spending its way out of a recession (especially one it created!!), its irresponsible and senseless.
This Government's spending has surpassed "excessive" and has even left "stupid" behind. Does anyone really think that a Memorial to Senator Ted Kennedy will stimulate the economy?
Here's a teabag as my gift to you. Rather than dump it in the harbor, I thought you could make a hot cup of tea and contemplate how you'll step up to the plate as a real American and put the brakes on Governments runaway spending.
Sincerely,
Pissed off in Virginia
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I think e-mailing pictures of tea bags would work as well....
...hit 'em on all sides, I say.... =D
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I plan on going to the Dallas, TX tea party.
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and the point of all this is???
TC
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and the point of all this is???
TC
That's what I'm trying to figure out.
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That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Why do you have to hate, Mike? =(
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Because I'm a secret agent for Obama planted here years ago?
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I also suggest just stapling a recognized commercial name-brand teabag to your letter. Maybe even still in it's sealed factory little envelope.
"loose foreign material" in letters sent to any division of the fed.gov tends to set off alarm bells.
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I also suggest just stapling a recognized commercial name-brand teabag to your letter. Maybe even still in it's sealed factory little envelope.
"loose foreign material" in letters sent to any division of the fed.gov tends to set off alarm bells.
May I politely say "eff that!" ?
Seriously. This is our government, not theirs. They will be well aware of our little tea protest long before the letters start coming. Tea is legal to send in the mail... I know people that mail order fancy teas. If I want to send some Lipton Earl Grey to the White House as a form of protest and I get run up on BS terrorist charges, with no proof of dangerous materials in the tea... I would interpret that as a dangerously dismal commentary on the health of our government.
We all know these letters will be intercepted and shoveled off to some flunky sorting house, where a final tally of "2,345,678" teabags will be reported delivered to a higher flunky at the White House, who might or might not tell Rahm Emanuel, who might or might not tell Obama.
Avoiding doing it because of fear of your government? Wow. I guess we've already lost the greater battle, then. =(
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Avoiding doing it because of fear of your government? Wow. I guess we've already lost the greater battle, then.
Who said anything about "fear of government"?
I'd liken it to "pissing in the wind", myself.
Administrations get plenty of crank letters, etc. every day, individual or as part of a coordinated effort.
At last count, there were approximately 306 million Americans. What are a few piddly-assed teabags really going to mean?
Set up a blog. Get some serious readership. Start a grassroots effort that exposes government waste and pork projects. Get on CNN, Fox News, or Larry King Live.
Then you'll have something that the White House might sit up and respond to.
Tea bags?
Really...
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Because I'm a secret agent for Obama planted here years ago?
Does that make Abby the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan?.... =|
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a few thousand tea bags won't make a difference but a few million might.
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a few thousand tea bags won't make a difference but a few million might.
I wonder if even a few million tea bags would impress this administration. I have a hunch they believe absolutely that they are right and correct in what they are doing. It must be done regardless of what the great unwashed might think.
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Couldn't hurt to try.
That'd make a lot of iced tea, though.
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Couldn't hurt to try.
That'd make a lot of iced tea, though.
...and keep a lot of tea makers employed.....
BTW, we should use Luzianne tea. It's a great, American-owned, Southern company with much better products than the Lipton Mega-Corp owned by furriners....... =D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzianne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzianne)
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No one's listening to you, seeker2. Everybody knows you're a 'tard about how the Republic is supposed to work. :P
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And people wonder why the cost of postage keeps going up.
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No one's listening to you, seeker2. Everybody knows you're a 'tard about how the Republic is supposed to work. :P
Now....don't make me come over there and educate you on places in the human body that can hold a case of tea bags...... :cool:
=D
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Because I'm a secret agent for Obama planted here years ago?
But then we already knew that .
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I thought I was going to put this in its own hread, but must have laced it in this thread indvertently.
See here:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=18587.0
for the post.
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“Please show me anything that I can touch, or eat, or live in, or drive that the ‘productive rich’ have made?”
...there are so many levels of retarded in this statement I don't even know where to begin.
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“Please show me anything that I can touch, or eat, or live in, or drive that the ‘productive rich’ have made?”
Normally the stupid just burns but this is three phase power line headache inducing.
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jfruser: Thanks for posting this...
I just went to the range with a friend today. I hadn't seen him in a few months. Most folks would disparagingly call him a "threeper" with a snide sneer on their face in much the same manner as an anti-Galtist.
We talked extensively, at lunch, about libertarianism, objectivism, gold standards, statism and market controls. I won't go into the entire realm of the conversation, but it was just refreshing and enlightening to come across this post after having that conversation with him, too.
It's good to see that "we" are less and less alone and that "we" are coming out of the woodwork. And that "they" don't like us gives me hope.
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I went ahead and merged these up. Teabag away.
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Teabag away.
You heard him, boys. =D
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I went ahead and merged these up. Teabag away.
Funnily enough I came across blog of a rather liberal bent that thought that people were trying to imply teabagging in the rather unpleasant sense by mailing their reps a tea bag. It was as if the prospects of the Boston Tea Party went over her head. That the New American Tea Party was advocating people not to send actual tea bags to their reps or the president as it was a waste of postage and good tea made it even funnier.
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Funnily enough I came across blog of a rather liberal bent that thought that people were trying to imply teabagging in the rather unpleasant sense by mailing their reps a tea bag. It was as if the prospects of the Boston Tea Party went over her head. That the New American Tea Party was advocating people not to send actual tea bags to their reps or the president as it was a waste of postage and good tea made it even funnier.
So the organizers now don't want people to send tea bags? ???
It strikes me that it might be more appropriate to the situation for everyone to send $0.41 to the White House. A quarter, dime, nickel and penny. "Keep the Change, we don't want it."
They'd probably just appropriate it to Obama's re-election campaign, though.
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Teabag away.
You heard him, boys.
That's so wrong, Fistful. :O
I wonder if the average Threeper even knows the current definition, or if they're just too busy continually drawing an ever-shifting line in the sand...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tea-Bag
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So the organizers now don't want people to send tea bags? ???
It strikes me that it might be more appropriate to the situation for everyone to send $0.41 to the White House. A quarter, dime, nickel and penny. "Keep the Change, we don't want it."
They'd probably just appropriate it to Obama's re-election campaign, though.
The actual tea party people never advocated sending tea, the original story comes from an email being passed around. If you look on Tea Party website they tell people to save their tea since mailing it is just a waste.
http://newamericanteaparty.com/2009/03/12/save-your-postage-and-tea-and-stay-tuned/
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The actual tea party people never advocated sending tea, the original story comes from an email being passed around. If you look on Tea Party website they tell people to save their tea since mailing it is just a waste.
http://newamericanteaparty.com/2009/03/12/save-your-postage-and-tea-and-stay-tuned/
So the "threepers" are not actually distracted by "drawing a continually shifting line in the sand"? Good to know.
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Okay I know what a "tea-bag" is.....but what the hell is a "threeper"? Is that a three-way tea-bagging?
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Perhaps I can help.
It appears some people, primarily Mike Vanderboegh [sp?] are again talking up the possibility of civil war if more gun laws are passed. (http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/letters/297313) The name is in memory of the three percent of the population of the colonies that supposedly directly supported the Revolution. The above link is pretty typical of their rhetoric. On the other hand, we have the Prags, who, on one hand, support working within the system, joining the NRA, etc. etc, and on the other, are soundly opposed to what they call the three-percenter nonsense (http://brillianter.com/2008/11/the-3-percenter-non-sense/).
There are other writings you could read about that, but the above two are good samples.
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Threeper definition/discussion.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=16940.0
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.....but what the hell is a "threeper"? Is that a three-way tea-bagging?
Why yes it is and might I say it can be one great time had by all. If I remember you partook in one or more of these events while we were at NYL.
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so what mike v's screen name on .us? hes got lots of fellow believers there
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http://www.cyberclass.net/3percenters.htm
Okay, so nothing to do with teabagging. My pet will be sad to learn that.
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I think the issue a lot of people have with the "threepers" (God I hate that term) is that they are all hat no cattle. It's like one of those cults that put a date on the end times, then when it passes goes "Oh look, new revelations! The revised date for Armageddon is....."
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"Armageddon" isn't a date, it's a process, and it began some time ago. I'm not speaking religiously--I don't traffick in prophecy--just noting the obvious on a cultural basis. What is new is the increasing alienation of We the People from a government more and more perceived as unrepresentative and rogue. Further economic dislocations will do nothing but heighten that perception. At some point hats, cattle, and cowboys just get caught up in the general whirlwhind.
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It is not "new guns laws" that raises the spectre of civil war in the United States. It is the growing belief that we are being mind-f***** by a government that wishes to criminalize not the worst but the best elements of the American Republic, a government that, to cite a specific, appears for various purposes to see the Second Amendment as somehow being the cause of the escalating unrest at our southern border and beyond it. All of this is a political dumbshow that hides the real problems and the real perps behind their usual curtain of invisibility.
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This thread's wandering like a drunk in the fast lane.
Anyone know what the status and the point of the whole teabag thing is?
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I figure it's just a prelude to another Secessionist movement.
Y'know, the usual "South Shall Rise Again!" stuff... =D
(That, or it's a ploy by Longeyes to initiate another Civil War/Revolution on his terms.)
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"Armageddon" isn't a date, it's a process, and it began some time ago. I'm not speaking religiously--I don't traffick in prophecy--just noting the obvious on a cultural basis. What is new is the increasing alienation of We the People from a government more and more perceived as unrepresentative and rogue. Further economic dislocations will do nothing but heighten that perception. At some point hats, cattle, and cowboys just get caught up in the general whirlwhind.
You seem to be missing the point. The reason no one takes "threepers" seriously is because they constantly say "If X happens it's on! We'll start voting from the rooftops etc." Then X happens and... they do nothing but talk more. Now, I'm glad these loonie-tunes aren't actually starting up la revolucion, but it's hard to take em seriously after a while.
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Yes, that's right, you found me out, very insightful of you: I'M the one behind all the tea parties and the disguntled taxpayers and the people talking up suspect ammo shortages. Turn me in, brothers, do something noble and brave for your country. Listen, I'm not "initiating" anything--the quotation marks are for you, JamisJ--just reporting on what just about everyone here with half a brain knows is going on. This thread isn't "wandering"--that's another for you, JJ--it's just looping around into what the whole thing is really all about. But increasingly I wonder what the damn point is in even discussing it. I've said in other posts that what the exponents of liberty desperately need--and are perhaps in the first stages of getting--is a militant and dedicated civil rights movement that brings large masses of people out into the open and vocal--while there is still time. I mean LAWFUL assemblies that also reflect the deep feelings and true numbers of those who have a different vision of America from where we have been drifting. No more, no less. It is painfully obvious we need some leadership. Over and out.
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It is painfully obvious we need some leadership.
I think we all agree on that. The big question is of course, who?
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You seem to be missing the point. The reason no one takes "threepers" seriously is because they constantly say "If X happens it's on! We'll start voting from the rooftops etc." Then X happens and... they do nothing but talk more. Now, I'm glad these loonie-tunes aren't actually starting up la revolucion, but it's hard to take em seriously after a while.
I hadn't heard the term "threeper" until today, but I know the type. My question to you is this: do you want them to talk and not act or do you want them to walk the walk? Perhaps they are merely venting their frustrations, felt by many, in the only way they know. Everyone knows that this is no laughing matter, no topic for barroom braggadoccio. I don't claim to know who's "real" and who isn't; nor do I claim--though I have my own opinions--about what might trigger serious social discontent. I try to take a sober look at the accumulating realities around us and take an imaginative leap--no doubt not shared by all--into some future scenarios.
There are a lot of people on talk radio these days who talk "hard" and then back off when they rouse their callers. I find that repugnant, dishonest, and cowardly. Let me cite one example: "the great one," Mark Levin. He trafficks in high anger on a daily basis, slamming this current administration top to bottom. But when someone asks him, "Mark, what can we do?," his answer is, "What are YOU doing?" What then is all this rabble-rousing palaver FOR if not to spur action of some useful type? The other day Levin said, "It took us 80 years to get here, and it will take 80 years for us to get out." Really? Who on this forum thinks we HAVE 80 years? Anyway...
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I think we all agree on that. The big question is of course, who?
Maybe you.
And I am not being facetious.
Maybe some of the people on this forum.
Don't we have any Joe and Jill Plumbers in this crowd?
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If (God forbid) some type of serious civil unrest ever happens in this country, the men doing the killing will not be the ones who spent all their time spouting off on teh intarwebz.
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That is true, Balog.
If and when TSHTF, those blabbering on the intarwebz about taking on The Man with their SKS and bandolier of stripper clips will be sucking hind teat, while those who have been under the radar quietly preparing for Plans A, B, and C will be executing them.
I've seen, and personally know, both types. My money's on the latter.
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Just look at those idiots in NH who were posting about how they were going to help those tax evaders (Browns iirc) on some forum or other. Feds busted them fast.
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What's your point?
I'm talking about concerted political action, not midnight commando raids.
And here's the type of thing that needs to be shouted about because it concerns everyone here:
Obama Administration Stabs Gun Owners in the Back (DoD Surplus Brass No Longer Sold for Reloading)
Townhall ^ | March 16, 2009 | John Caile
Posted on 03/16/2009 11:35:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
We warned you that Barak Obama would publicly deny his radical anti-gun agenda, while engaging in "stealth" attacks on private gun ownership. The most recent example is a directive from the Department of Defense that will severely aggravate the current ammunition shortage.
For those who either don't own guns (or have been living in a cave) supplies of ammunition are getting alarmingly low. Many retailers report shelves virtually empty of popular pistol and rifle ammo.
Most ammunition manufacturers depend on reclaiming used brass cartridge cases from the military, that are then recycled to make new ammunition. It is a system that has benefited both the military and the private sector, not to mention saving the taxpayer's money.
So it is beyond comprehension at a time of serious ammunition shortages, as well as budget shortfalls, that ammunition manufacturers would receive a letter stating the following:
"Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction.
Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government."
Now, one has to be curious about WHO suddenly decided to mandate a new policy that makes a bad situation worse, has no benefit to the military, and will result in an increase in costs to the American taxpayer, precisely when the government is running a gigantic deficit.
But of course we know the real reason behind such actions - after losing a number of elections both locally and nationally, the anti-gun radicals have learned that the way to succeed is to avoid highly public confrontations like wholesale gun bans.
Instead they have adopted "incrementalism" - stealth campaigns that slowly rob legitimate gun owners of their ability to exercise their rights. They know that they don't need to take your guns away if they can simply make it more and more complex, expensive, and difficult to own and use your guns.
So, obviously, something like an ammo shortage is a dream come true for the gun haters. Why bother with their guns when simply denying them ammunition makes their firearms useless?
One wonders when gun owners who were stupid enough to have voted for Obama (and his like minded Democrats in the Congress) will finally stop denying the obvious.
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Longeyes,
At the risk of sounding nearly as redundant, take a look at a certain thread in another subforum here on APS.
The thread I started.
The thread that discusses Lake City brass.
;)
(And one cannot possibly attribute a decision documented as originating from the Defense Logistics Agency as having come straight from the president. It was a result of F-14 Tomcat parts being sold intact to folks who shouldn't have them. The DLA decision happened before Obama took office, and is only now being applied across the board. That's really stretching it on your part...)
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I don't know the truth of the mil brass situation, but I do know that the NRA has been apprized and is looking into a waiver. I know this because you posted that information on The Firing Line.
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Yeah, it's Demil Code B, but with Integrity Code 3 now added.
More here:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=844248&page=1
Evidently, the DRMO/DRMS auctions that are currently active will require mutilation of said brass once the auction is complete, per the terms. The edict came down from DLA, ostensibly because of the recent F-14 Tomcat parts sale SNAFU.
NRA-ILA has been notified, and they're hoping to get a D0D waiver in place for .50 caliber and smaller cartridge brass over the next few weeks.
Operative word, of course, being hope.
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"Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round...
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Yup.
As somebody who uses oodles of milsurp brass, I've been following the story very closely since it broke last Friday.
There's a Navy Vice Admiral who's in charge of the Defense Logistics Agency.
Not President Obama, not Rahm Emanuel, but a Navy officer, who probably got his pee-pee smacked for the F-14 Tomcat parts SNAFU.
Another application of Hanlon's Razor, IMHO.
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I hadn't heard the term "threeper" until today, but I know the type. My question to you is this: do you want them to talk and not act or do you want them to walk the walk? Perhaps they are merely venting their frustrations, felt by many, in the only way they know. Everyone knows that this is no laughing matter, no topic for barroom braggadoccio. I don't claim to know who's "real" and who isn't; nor do I claim--though I have my own opinions--about what might trigger serious social discontent. I try to take a sober look at the accumulating realities around us and take an imaginative leap--no doubt not shared by all--into some future scenarios.
There are a lot of people on talk radio these days who talk "hard" and then back off when they rouse their callers. I find that repugnant, dishonest, and cowardly. Let me cite one example: "the great one," Mark Levin. He trafficks in high anger on a daily basis, slamming this current administration top to bottom. But when someone asks him, "Mark, what can we do?," his answer is, "What are YOU doing?" What then is all this rabble-rousing palaver FOR if not to spur action of some useful type? The other day Levin said, "It took us 80 years to get here, and it will take 80 years for us to get out." Really? Who on this forum thinks we HAVE 80 years? Anyway...
I'm talking about concerted political action,
You rail against those who make noise yet won't lead. You're making alot of noise. Are you willing to lead?
I'm being serious. Not picking a fight.
What is your course of action?
And what are you actioning against?
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Longeyes has been rather explicit about what he supports and opposes throughout this time on this forum.
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Honestly, I see one glaring problem with all the calls for revolution. And it is NOT a question of "who'll actually fight, and who's all talk?"...
MY big question is, "Who/what is used to replace the current system?".
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Strings,
You are entirely correct.
How do we know that the replacement system envisioned by the current crop of Don Quixotes will be any better?
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Don Quixotes
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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I have to go with Heinlein here: if we throw the current bums out, how do we know that the new bums will be better?
And yes, I understand the concept of "We'll return to our Constitutional roots!". And that's great... as soon as we figure out and agree on what those ARE. Believe me, the ones actually fighting are NOT all gonna be on the same page...
Want to know what the Second American Civil War is gonna look like? Rent Reservoir Dogs. Check out the scene at the end, where everybody's pointing a gun at ever'body else. That's what the Second Civil War will look like, in microcosm. Then, after the Current Bums are thrown out, the Coalition of Disparate Groups can start the Third War: the War to Decide Who's Bums to Use...
History books covering this era are gonna be VERY interesting to read...
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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Alright, then.
Educate me.
I'm thinking about the legendary character tilting at windmills.
What am I missing?
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There is stuff we can live with and stuff we can't. I do not expect anything close to a perfect union, just a viable Republic that respects basic individual liberties. Maybe at this juncture of history THAT is rabidly quixotic...?
I do not think anyone is talking here about any course of action except a defensive one that blocks overt tyranny. Is there some risk of a "war of all against all?" Of course, but that was certainly a possibility when this country was founded and we haven't evolved without a good deal of often bitter and contentious struggle. We each have to decide when we have more to lose by not drawing a line than drawing it.
Am I willing to lead or help lead? Frankly, although I have never thought of myself as an activist, much less a militant leader, I am beginning to think I have no choice but to engage this struggle at closer quarters than my temperament is really comfortable with. But others can decide if I have leadership mettle; I am willing to do my part, count on that.
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What am I missing?
Don Quixote wasn't just crazy. He was also noble. And he wasn't completely crazy, either. Don Quixote (and even Sancho, at some junctures) ended up striking some surprising blows for justice.
That's what the Second Civil War will look like, in microcosm.
Nobody in this thread is advocating a Civil War or any kind of violence. However I think longeyes will agree with me when I say that what is required is a non-violent revolution. A radical change in the political landscape.
Now it is true (as you pointed out) that the revolutionaries may disagree with each other on what change is needed. However, that can be dealt with. We have a common enemy – the Progressive machine, the welfare-state, the System, call it what you want. Perhaps the best idea is to learn from Karl Marx and his Communist Manifesto – identify the social institutions that maintain the system and assault these institutions together.
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Non-violent. Of course.
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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Tilting at windmills - a reference to the character Don Quixote created by Cervantes in the early 1600's I believe.
Tilting at windmills pretty much means one imagines one's self to be fighting something larger than life, the good fight, though unwinnable along with a connotation that maybe the guy doing the tilting is just a little bit nuts. Some may interpret tilting at windmills as bragadoccio. Personally I prefer my first interpretation of the phrase.
Edit: OK I just read some follow on posts about Don Q. Good stuff. No reason to delete mine though.
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Don Quixote wasn't just crazy. He was also noble.
That's good to know, MB.
Pardon me, boys, you'll have to forego the straitjacket and padded room, because, well, I'm being noble.
Yeah, that's the ticket. =D
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I don't think alot of you realise there was a revolution last november. The bums got tossed out, and now none of us like the current bums.
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I don't think alot of you realise there was a revolution last november. The bums got tossed out, and now none of us like the current bums.
I'm to the point that I almost want a lottery for who will serve in congress.
Picking citizens at random would get us better results than this.
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A revolution is not a mere replacement of the bums.
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A revolution is not a mere replacement of the bums.
QFT
Understanding this point is key.
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A revolution is not a mere replacement of the bums.
When the new bums are pure, unabashed socialists, I'd have to disagree with you.
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When the new bums are pure, unabashed socialists, I'd have to disagree with you.
As opposed to what?
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As opposed to what?
The previous bums weren't socialists, they were theocrats (lite).
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The previous bums weren't socialists, they were theocrats (lite).
Really? Go look at the scale of non-defense expenditures under Bush. And the increases he put into 'social' programs.
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The previous bums weren't socialists, they were theocrats (lite).
:rolleyes:
Yeah, that's what they were.
What with all the new laws forcing women to dress properly and people to attend church and anti-swearing laws, it was hard to get anything done like prescription drugs for the elderly and massive increases to the education budget.
Whew, those crazy theocrats.
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I've never understood the attitude that a politician who's serious about their religion must be a theocrat. Do you even understand what that word means?
Theocracy is rule by God ie rule by a religious organization. Show me one thing the fed.gov did that gave political power to religious orgs. Come on, what've you got? Prayer in schools? Ten Commandments on the wall? Really? Do you feel oppressed by our evil theocratic currency, which says we trust God right on there!?!?! ;/
Bush was an abortion on a lot of things (illegals, Medicare etc) but he was no more a theocrat than Obama is a Nazi.
A revolution is not a mere replacement of the bums.
It was a revolution alright, just not one you like. More French or Bolshevik, less American.
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It was a revolution alright, just not one you like. More French or Bolshevik, less American.
In fact, as far as my knowledge of history goes, there has been ONE revolution of whose end results I approve.
Have there been any other good revolutions than the American one?
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Retracted.
What they did do was use their religion to create wedge issues to divide voters and push the voters further away and willing to vote for pure socialisim.
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The Glorious Revolution of 1688.
The Industrial Revolution.
Prince and the Revolution.
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The Glorious Revolution of 1688.
The Industrial Revolution.
Prince and the Revolution.
I most CERTAINLY do not approve of the results of Prince and the Revolution!
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What Bush really did was to further institutionalize "compassion," something he learned from his father (who gave us the ADA, among other things). "Compassion" can be used to justify just about anything once it becomes the province of an activist Government, and it is why he could never Just Say No.
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Retracted.
What they did do was use their religion to create wedge issues to divide voters and push the voters further away and willing to vote for pure socialisim.
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
Alexis de Tocqueville
Religion had nothing to do with it. These days, freedom is a wedge issue.
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"I most CERTAINLY do not approve of the results of Prince and the Revolution!"
Suck it up and deal, Princess, or the squiggly icogngraphic character formerly named Prince will stop by your house and try to get you to conver to Jehova's Witness. :laugh:
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What Bush really did was to further institutionalize "compassion," something he learned from his father (who gave us the ADA, among other things). "Compassion" can be used to justify just about anything once it becomes the province of an activist Government, and it is why he could never Just Say No.
Birth of the NeoCon movement. I cringe everytime I hear that Compassionate Conservatvie crapola.
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"I most CERTAINLY do not approve of the results of Prince and the Revolution!"
Suck it up and deal, Princess, or the squiggly icogngraphic character formerly named Prince will stop by your house and try to get you to conver to Jehova's Witness. :laugh:
http://tinyurl.com/cpa7os
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Birth of the NeoCon movement. I cringe everytime I hear that Compassionate Conservatvie crapola.
It bothers me, too.
I am a compassionate conservative. (Not capitalized) I give of my time and money to charity. (My conservative wife is FAR more compassionate than I am, though).
I am NOT compassionate with other people's money.
In fact, I don't find that the least bit compassionate. It's shameless self-aggrandizement that seeks to make the "givers" feel better about themselves without really costing them much. Woo, how compassionate.
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"I am NOT compassionate with other people's money."
Sure you are. According to the Democrats, that's money that you, an over privileged white male robbed from more deserving innercity crack mommas.
You're an evil man.
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It was a revolution alright, just not one you like. More French or Bolshevik, less American.
How was it a revolution? Sure, Obama will be spending and loaning more money. But how is it different from Bush spending and loaning hundreds of billions of dollars? The difference is one only of scale, not of principle.
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Revolution
Gotta side with MB on this one.
What we had was an election and constitutional change of government. Were it in any way like the French or Bolshevik revolutions, there would have been thousands of GWB supporters slaughtered and the apparatus of the state or the Dem party used to terrorize the rest of the population.
Theocracy
There is a thread on this or a sister board detailing the activities of a political block in Israel that enforces is religious edicts with the threat of violence. Even so, Israel is not a theocracy.
I think a little perspective could be used before accusing any of the mainstream party folks of theocratic tendencies. Or just tune down the religiophbia a notch or ten.
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Israel has elements of a theocracy. It's still not a full-blown one like Iran. But yeah, gotta agree with JFRuser.
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What they did do was use their religion to create wedge issues to divide voters.
I'm fairly certain that any examples you would provide would be issues broached by the other side. At least most of them.
Shucks. I was going to post a picture of the New American magazine, just as a joke, but my Googler isn't turning up any good images.
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The great religious war in the United States was already fought--and the Left won. What are we seeing if not the full flowering of all the quasi-religious ideas of the Left in the 20th century, including such shibboleths as "multiculturalism" and "diversity?" The old religion was grounded in individual rights and freedom of thought and action. The last election was just the next step in a cultural transformation that began decades ago.