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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: geronimotwo on April 07, 2009, 08:09:35 PM
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anyone heard of this?
http://www.flyclear.com/
this card contains your "biometric security information" a fancy name for your fingerprints and iris scan. all for only $199 a year!
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anyone heard of this?
http://www.flyclear.com/
this card contains your "biometric security information" a fancy name for your fingerprints and iris scan. all for only $199 a year!
Good for the traveling businessperson who doesn't care about his/her civil rights.
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Lucky you, guys. You get a choice. In Israel these are going to be mandatory soon.
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Lucky you, guys. You get a choice. In Israel these are going to be mandatory soon.
The absolute WORST problem I ever had with airport security was in Tel-Aviv, and I was LEAVING. I thought I'd never get out of there. Evidently, a lowly tech guru there to train the local office was some kind of security threat. I think they were profiling pasty white guys.
Funny, I had no problem at all when I arrived.
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I have discovered an absolutely foolproof method of avoiding the "security theater" that has been passed off as security.
I haven't flown since spring 2001.
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Good for the traveling businessperson who doesn't care about his/her civil rights.
Agreed.
Want to avoid airport lines? Drive.
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You can actually fly anywhere you want and always avoid TSA:
Get your own plane and fly general aviation.
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I have discovered an absolutely foolproof method of avoiding the "security theater" that has been passed off as security.
I haven't flown since spring 2001.
Yep. I made the mistake of letting my in-laws drag me along to visit a dying relative (in law) in 2005. Last time. I still daydream about a quickie vacation somewhere exotic, but have effectively avoided flying. Not worth the hassles and humiliation. Don't think I'll ever forget some big snarly dude standing over me ordering me to untie my shoes faster, when I was so heavily pregnant I could barely reach my shoes, let along while moving through a line.
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As a religious person who truly believes in his religion, biometrics have always scared me a lot, in a "mark of the beast" kind of way.
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Buy you own plane.
Maybe we should form the APS airlines. Please stow your guns in the overhead compartment.
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anyone heard of this?
http://www.flyclear.com/
this card contains your "biometric security information" a fancy name for your fingerprints and iris scan. all for only $199 a year!
G2, there are several similar companies that cater to business fliers. Primarily, those programs allow a traveler to get thru the TSA hassle quicker by allowing the passenger to go to the front of the line or by having a dedicated security line.
All airline passengers go thru the same TSA screening regardless.
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Buy you own plane.
Maybe we should form the APS airlines. Please stow your guns in the overhead compartment.
Jackboot! =D
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I have discovered an absolutely foolproof method of avoiding the "security theater" that has been passed off as security.
I haven't flown since spring 2001.
Interesting :police: :police:
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Buy you own plane.
Maybe we should form the APS airlines. Please stow your guns in the overhead compartment keep your guns under your personal control at all times.
fixed it for ya.
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Buy you own plane.
Maybe we should form the APS airlines. Please stow your guns in the overhead compartment.
If you start scheduling service, then you're bound by the rules that govern the regular airlines.
What would be a far better idea is an "air taxi" service, dynamically scheduling flights.
You put a sign up form on the internet, and when you have enough people looking to go to a certain place, you call 'em and tell them when their flight is. People that need specific timing can pay more into the pot, and people who want to be there "tuseday" can pay less, and fly along.
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TSA is looking to crack down on the charter flights and such, too.
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TSA is looking to crack down on the charter flights and such, too.
Yes, and private aircraft.
According to the rules, Tiger Woods won't be able to take his own golf clubs on his own airplane. (seems TSA rules don't allow golf clubs if the passengers have access to them, and in a private jet, the luggage is accessible from the passenger compartment.) And he may have to take an Air Marshall if going to certain cities, even if he's the only person on the plane.
Whenever you allow the government in, they spend all their time expanding their power.
You wanted "change" didn't you?
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I am hearing impared so going through the TSA hoop is an adventure. The TSA has no proceedures for people such as me.
On the other hand, I avoid flying, and I work for an airline.........when I travel, I pack the RV with my guns, cats, wife, food, whisky and hit the road......chris3
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I am hearing impared so going through the TSA hoop is an adventure. The TSA has no proceedures for people such as me.
Really?
Now THAT's very interesting ... because it puts them squarely in violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act, which was one of Bush I's major achievements. Someone needs to file a formal complaint with the Justice Department.
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I am hearing impared so going through the TSA hoop is an adventure. The TSA has no proceedures for people such as me.
On the other hand, I avoid flying, and I work for an airline.........when I travel, I pack the RV with my guns, cats, wife, food, whisky and hit the road......chris3
My silver haired pasty white 56 year old mother is completely deaf. She has been screened several times. Not sure what kind of threat she poses.
As an aside, we usually fly her on Jetblue. She gets above and beyond treatment from them.
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I am hearing impared so going through the TSA hoop is an adventure. The TSA has no proceedures for people such as me.
On the other hand, I avoid flying, and I work for an airline.........when I travel, I pack the RV with my guns, cats, wife, food, whisky and hit the road......chris3
Sounds like grounds for an ADA lawsuit.
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I've only had two "issues" with TSA (of course, I don't fly that much)...
First was on the way to Thailand, when we were switching planes at O'hare. Mom had just recently had shoulder replacement surgery, and dad and I refused to let her out of our sight. I think we actually scared the TSA goon that day...
Second was when dad came back from Thailand. He could barely walk, and was less than 100 yds past the checkpoint. But the goon wouldn't let me go help him (one of the other airport workers saw what was going on, and ran for a wheelchair)...
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I haven't flown since spring 2001.
Me since December 2001. And I'm a .gov employee who needs to observe field tests all around the country. I told my boss, following a commercial-flight assault to and from DCA and Fort Rucker that I would never fly commercial again, and he should fire me right then if that didn't work for him. He stood by me, and I now use personal leave to drive a rental car wherever I need to go. I fly MILAIR when available. And I don't drive to ships at sea.
TC
ETA: I've received the top rating each year for the last two out of 43 Action Officers. It's not an "attitude" problem.
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I stopped flying when I stopped being a sales engineer back in 2005. I got to see the change before and after 9/11 pretty drastically. I never had that much of a problem in home airports of SFO and OAK at the time, because I flew so much, most of the screening and future TSA people knew me.
I do have some good stories though, at just how much of a joke the whole thing is.
I once accidentally managed to get a highly banned object disassembled onto a plane with my carryon luggage. I had used the same bag when transporting this object before flying and had forgotten to remove it. When I got to my hotel, and started unpacking, it was right there and I freaked out, wondering if the feds were going to arrest me suddenly. I ended up shipping it back to my house next-day fedex, where i'd be back there in time to sign for it.
Sometime after 2004, TSA got really split-brained. Around then, they started to try and pretend they were a law enforcement agency.
One time, I was flying to replace another sales engineer who suddenly had to leave for personal reasons. Everything I needed was already there, and it was just a day trip, so I had no luggage.
The TSA was REALLY scared about this.
"Why don't you have any luggage?"
"I'm just flying out to relieve a coworker who had to fly home due to personal reasons. I'm flying back tonight."
"Don't you need luggage?"
"No, everything I need is already there, and besides, I just ran here from the office so I didn't even have time to pack?"
"How do I know you're not some kind of terrorist?" (Seriously, he asked this.)
"Well, I don't see how I can be much of a probem, considering I am not carrying ANYTHING except a wallet, keys, and a cellphone, all of which you've scanned"
He had to confir with his supervisor, and they finally decided to let me go.
Another time, I got singled out for one of the rubber glove searches. I had various laser pointers with me because they were always part of my sales presentations; a green and a red one. The TSA guy pulled them out and asked me what I was doing with them.
"I use them in sales presentations"
"well, we got a directive on these that they can bring down airplanes"
"Wel, if I aim them at the pilot, possibly, but thats not realy possible back where I'll be sitting. Anyway, do you need to confiscate them or something?"
"Oh, no, they aren't on the banned list."
That whole conversation was totally "WTF" to me. I had an item that they were worried about (stupidly, but still) they weren't going to do anything about it.
I got a sales-less job back in 2005 and have only flown once since, and I do not miss it.
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My silver haired pasty white 56 year old mother is completely deaf. She has been screened several times. Not sure what kind of threat she poses.
People of her subtype have been known to knit Afghans. Very understandable, it's for the children you know! geez,,, :mad:
=D
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I haven't flown since the TSA stole my pocket knife.
And thanks to the wife's job I can fly for free.
I just don't have the desire anymore. The dog and pony show is a joke.
I used to work for Delta. Back then I noticed how one could legally get on any flight in the US without ever going through a security checkpoint. I'm assuming they finally caught that loophole.
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Just as a reminder of how much things changed:
In late August 2001 I flew from Minneapolis to Syracuse sitting across the aisle from a mother and her 15-year-old son who had brought a full-size samurai sword as a carry-on. My hand to God.
I happened to be behind them in line at the check-in counter and at the security checkpoint. In both places they raised a few eyebrows, but went through.
Folks, in the first half of 2001, you could talk a samurai sword onto an airplane by saying "It's too valuable, fragile and easily stolen to trust with the baggage handlers." and "It's only a practice blade, so it isn't even sharpened."