Post by: Guest on November 27, 2005, 12:55:07 PM
I don't really want to learn a fancy asian martial art. I don't believe in all of the fancy moves and roleplaying type jibber-jabber. I'm interested primarily in:
Boxing
Krav Maga, if there is some non-BS place for me to learn at.
Kickboxing, just for being able to throw a good kick or three.
Some form of grappling, because too many fights go to the ground. I don't like the looks of grappling. I don't really want to learn grappling, especially because it looks unglamorous. But it's clearly important.
Martial Arts aren't about learning honor or respect. They're about learning to hurt people. I just want to have a very direct, fast, and punishing technique. Not complicated move, complicated move, flip the person over, apply complicated move to hold them down.
More like quickly punching sensitive areas very hard, kneeing someone in the face, and planting them into concrete.
Post by: Guest on November 27, 2005, 02:31:03 PM
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Martial Arts aren't about learning honor or respect.
Those are tools that can make the difference between waking up in a hospital and walking away with your teeth still in your head.
Post by: Fjolnirsson on November 27, 2005, 04:22:56 PM
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Martial Arts aren't about learning honor or respect.
Those are tools that can make the difference between waking up in a hospital and walking away with your teeth still in your head.Post by: ...has left the building. on November 27, 2005, 05:31:27 PM
Post by: Guest on November 27, 2005, 05:44:07 PM
Post by: Standing Wolf on November 27, 2005, 06:17:49 PM
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Martial Arts aren't about learning honor or respect. They're about learning to hurt people.
Not so. Is keeping and bearing arms about killing people?
Post by: Vodka7 on November 27, 2005, 06:36:57 PM
Sounds like you'd be happiest going the standard MMA route--wrestling, BJJ, and muay thai/american boxing/kickboxing. Take some classes in each and maybe some Krav for disarmament techniques.
Really though, if all you want to do is hurt people, it's not really brain surgery. Apply hard point A to soft point B. Get in the gym and do bag work and cardio until your limbs fall off.
Post by: Strings on November 27, 2005, 10:23:30 PM
Post by: El Tejon on November 28, 2005, 01:35:15 AM
Post by: 280plus on November 28, 2005, 02:43:07 AM
Then move on to the fancy stuff later.
Sideline: I just watched reruns of Ali fighting Oscar Buenavena and then some scrappy little German (I think). I'm still amazed by his talent. A lightning fast invsible left hook put Oscar down near the end even though he pummeled Ali pretty much throughout the fight. I don't remember how the German went down, he also put up a helluva a fight but he did go down.
During the Buenavena fight Joe Frazier's manager was at the microphone with none other than Howard Cosell and Frazier's manager kept calling him "Clay".
Post by: roo_ster on November 28, 2005, 05:11:33 AM
That said; just about any style, be it traditional oriental or modern, will give a good grounding. Just be careful in your selection of instructors/dojos.
Even the more florid/flashy oriental styles generally revert to more simple technique when competing in sport tournaments. I wonder just what proportion of points scored have been scored with a backfist/reverse punch? Those & similar basic strikes are bread & butter and generally much more part of muscle memory than the involved technique you learned to make your last rank.
Post by: ...has left the building. on November 28, 2005, 08:22:38 AM
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An attempt to provoke a discussion on various unarmed combat techniques, without people going on about mystical martial arts Ki business or how learning how to most efficiently punch people made them a better person. 
Well, you are a better person once you have an additional skill, but you know what I meant.
Gotcha...well just learn how to palm strike/edge of hand a moving target that is hitting you back, kick knees, and enough groundwork to get back onto your feet. Learn how to apply this with EXTREME aggression without going into tunnel vision mode or overshooting your target.
Well, you are a better person once you have an additional skill, but you know what I meant.
Post by: 280plus on November 28, 2005, 08:28:49 AM
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When the wind changes, they hoist the Jolly Roger."
I "sailed" under the Jolly Roger...
Post by: zahc on November 29, 2005, 11:09:25 AM
Post by: brimic on November 29, 2005, 02:32:57 PM
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I don't really want to learn a fancy asian martial art. I don't believe in all of the fancy moves and roleplaying type jibber-jabber
I can't speak for other martial arts, as I'm only familiar with Shotokan and Aikido. The 'fancy' kata seem like a waste of time unless you have a knowledgeable instructor who can show you the techniques for a lack of better words, hidden in them. The two martial arts are very closely integrated. Learning the katas and carrying them out with force and precision allows you to learn muscle memory so that you can effectively apply the techniques if ever needed. Best bet is to learn a few striking and grappling techniques and learn them very well.
Post by: Bemidjiblade on November 29, 2005, 03:29:15 PM
Post by: Bemidjiblade on December 01, 2005, 04:15:50 AM
I've found hapkido pretty versatile and useful, though judo and traditional TKD help offset the other weaknesses. Tang Soo Do is also a relatively balanced deal for Korean stuff. Not too familiar w/ the rest.
Post by: pauli on December 01, 2005, 05:46:03 AM
blackburn, it's really hard to read from your posts who you really are, what you're really after. i can see two possibilities:
a: you're a disrespectful jerk who just wants to fight.
b: you're interested in learning, but simply want something effective, and are skeptical about some of what you see.
if a, i'm done here. if b, then you need to visit schools in your area, ask to observe a class, talk to the instructors about what they teach, why they teach it, and why they teach it the way they do, and then make a decision.
from what you've said, i would suggest boxing and judo schools first.
personally, i study a traditional form of karate, and (along with most of my dojo), brazilian jiujitsu. on the face of it, they're completely different, but the formalities still in bjj are there for a reason: if you don't respect your instructor and he doesn't respect you, you cannot trust each other to be safe; without discipline, you waste half the class and people end up hurt.
the difference between a rear naked choke and attempted murder is intent, and you can't trust someone to stop when you tap if you don't respect them, and know that they respect you.
my karate instructor has a saying: all egos must be checked at the door. without that, it's not worth dressing out.
all this applies to firearms, too - i will not remain on the range if i think the people next to me aren't disciplined enough to follow the safety rules. if they can't show me the respect of keeping their deadly weapons pointed down range, i'm getting the hell out of there.
Post by: ...has left the building. on December 01, 2005, 08:24:18 AM
Edited to add: That said, I would never, ever, train with someone that I didn't trust. Poor morals makes for a bad training partner.
Post by: 280plus on December 01, 2005, 09:43:57 AM
At that point I could tell that this maybe wasn't such a good idea after all and ended the "fight" there having learned something new about sparring. I talked about it with him afterward and I asked, "Why'd you unleash on me like that? We were only supposed to be playing." He said something like, "Geez, I thought you were going to kill me."
Post by: doczinn on December 01, 2005, 12:36:07 PM
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bullshido
That sounds more like MY martial art!
Post by: Guest on December 01, 2005, 12:38:46 PM
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...Martial Arts aren't about learning honor or respect. They're about learning to hurt people. ...
Be sure to mention this philosophy to the instructor when you meet him.
Post by: ...has left the building. on December 01, 2005, 12:45:46 PM
Post by: 280plus on December 01, 2005, 01:06:52 PM
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...Martial Arts aren't about learning honor or respect. They're about learning to hurt people. ...
Be sure to mention this philosophy to the instructor when you meet him.Post by: 280plus on December 01, 2005, 03:48:35 PM
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Post by: Guest on December 04, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
I think you must learn from the lesson of Ed Gruberman.
Post by: 280plus on December 05, 2005, 01:23:39 AM
good one barb...