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Title: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Desertdog on April 27, 2009, 11:10:51 PM
This is what we, Americans, are facing with this President and Congress.

U.S. regulatory czar nominee wants Net 'Fairness Doctrine'
Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour delay on sending e-mail
Cass Sunstein
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96301


WASHINGTON – Barack Obama's nominee for "regulatory czar" has advocated a "Fairness Doctrine" for the Internet that would require opposing opinions be linked and also has suggested angry e-mails should be prevented from being sent by technology that would require a 24-hour cooling off period.

The revelations about Cass Sunstein, Obama's friend from the University of Chicago Law School and nominee to head the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, come in a new book by Brad O'Leary, "Shut Up, America! The End of Free Speech." OIRA will oversee regulation throughout the U.S. government.

Sunstein also has argued in his prolific literary works that the Internet is anti-democratic because of the way users can filter out information of their own choosing.

"A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government," he wrote. "Democratic efforts to reduce the resulting problems ought not be rejected in freedom's name."

It's time to put up or shut up, America. Literally. Get the book that shows how to fight the assault on your freedom of speech!

Sunstein first proposed the notion of imposing mandatory "electronic sidewalks" for the Net. These "sidewalks" would display links to opposing viewpoints. Adam Thierer, senior fellow and director of the Center for Digital Media Freedom at the Progress and Freedom Center, has characterized the proposal as "The Fairness Doctrine for the Internet."

"Apparently in Sunstein's world, people have many rights, but one of them, it seems, is not the right to be left alone or seek out the opinions one desires," Thierer wrote.

Later, Sunstein rethought his proposal, explaining that it would be "too difficult to regulate [the Internet] in a way that would respond to those concerns." He also acknowledged that it was "almost certainly unconstitutional."

Perhaps Sunstein's most novel idea regarding the Internet was his proposal, in his book "Nudge," written with Richard Thaler, for a "Civility Check" for e-mails and other online communications.

"The modern world suffers from insufficient civility," they wrote. "Every hour of every day, people send angry e-mails they soon regret, cursing people they barely know (or even worse, their friends and loved ones). A few of us have learned a simple rule: don't send an angry e-mail in the heat of the moment. File it, and wait a day before you send it. (In fact, the next day you may have calmed down so much that you forget even to look at it. So much the better.) But many people either haven't learned the rule or don’t always follow it. Technology could easily help. In fact, we have no doubt that technologically savvy types could design a helpful program by next month."

That's where the "Civility Check" comes in.

"We propose a Civility Check that can accurately tell whether the e-mail you're about to send is angry and caution you, 'warning: this appears to be an uncivil e-mail. do you really and truly want to send it?'" they wrote. "(Software already exists to detect foul language. What we are proposing is more subtle, because it is easy to send a really awful e-mail message that does not contain any four-letter words.) A stronger version, which people could choose or which might be the default, would say, 'warning: this appears to be an uncivil e-mail. this will not be sent unless you ask to resend in 24 hours.' With the stronger version, you might be able to bypass the delay with some work (by inputting, say, your Social Security number and your grandfather’s birth date, or maybe by solving some irritating math problem!)."

Sunstein's nomination to the powerful new position will require Senate approval. He is almost certain to face other questions about his well-documented controversial views:

In a 2007 speech at Harvard he called for banning hunting in the U.S.


In his book "Radicals in Robes," he wrote: "[A]lmost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine. And if the Court is right, then fundamentalism does not justify the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms."


In his 2004 book, "Animal Rights," he wrote: "Animals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives …"


In "Animal Rights: A Very Short Primer," he wrote "[T]here should be extensive regulation of the use of animals in entertainment, in scientific experiments, and in agriculture."
"As one of America's leading constitutional scholars, Cass Sunstein has distinguished himself in a range of fields, including administrative law and policy, environmental law, and behavioral economics," said Obama at his nomination of his regulatory czar. "He is uniquely qualified to lead my administration's regulatory reform agenda at this crucial stage in our history. Cass is not only a valued adviser, he is a dear friend and I am proud to have him on my team."

O'Leary disagrees.

"It's hard to imagine President Obama nominating a more dangerous candidate for regulatory czar than Cass Sunstein," he says. "Not only is Sunstein an animal-rights radical, but he also seems to have a serious problem with our First Amendment rights. Sunstein has advocated everything from regulating the content of personal e-mail communications, to forcing nonprofit groups to publish information on their websites that is counter to their beliefs and mission. Of course, none of this should be surprising from a man who has said that 'limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.' If it were up to Obama and Sunstein, everything we read online – right down to our personal e-mail communications – would have to be inspected and approved by the federal government."
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Standing Wolf on April 27, 2009, 11:41:40 PM
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A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.

Lenin would have agreed.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Tim L on April 28, 2009, 12:04:20 AM
 :O :O  WOW!!  He left out the part where all emails are re-written to state that Conservatives are bad and Liberals are good!!  :O :O
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Nightfall on April 28, 2009, 12:28:14 AM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96301
Did they get this from The Onion or something?  =D Seriously, any other sources? This one HAS to be a joke.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Boomhauer on April 28, 2009, 12:34:28 AM
I don't like WND, but damn, I can see this as being true.

And I'm not the least bit surprised. I've said it before. The Fairness Doctrine will be reinstated for radio, and then we will have it for the internet...

If I want to send emails that consist of nothing but four letter words (and the occasionally more complexe curse word), describing my opinion of a person, then by God, I will.

Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Azrael256 on April 28, 2009, 12:44:55 AM
I've been trying to figure out what happened to Sunstein.  I suspect many other Smith/Hayek folks are, too.  He grasps Hayekian emergent order so well when he wants to.  The guy is the author of Infotopia.

And then... he forgot.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: El Tejon on April 28, 2009, 07:42:07 AM
Az, as with all in CLAMdom, Utopia beckons. =D

Utopia works, it's just that we, because we are so smart, bright, educated and our mommies and professors told us, can do it right this time. 

Objections are feckless, one cannot make meals without breaking eggs.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: grampster on April 28, 2009, 08:50:23 AM
It has always been rather ironic to me that the most fulminating of anti freedom and anti individual liberty zealots are able to be as they are because the conditions they rail against the most accomodates their zealotry.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Ben on April 28, 2009, 10:02:06 AM
"A cooling off period"

Gee, I wonder where he got that idea?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: MechAg94 on April 28, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
It has always been rather ironic to me that the most fulminating of anti freedom and anti individual liberty zealots are able to be as they are because the conditions they rail against the most accomodates their zealotry.
QFT.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: longeyes on April 28, 2009, 01:00:01 PM
Imagine an Onion with a Jackboot.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2009, 01:13:41 PM
Imagine an Onion with a Jackboot.

Stamping on the internet forever?
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: longeyes on April 28, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
Exactly.

It is time to recognize that we are going to see this Administration propose all of our worst nightmares, including some we haven't had yet.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Nitrogen on April 28, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
I'm guessing he sniffed the wind, and smelled money.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Scout26 on April 28, 2009, 03:16:36 PM
Freedom is Slavery
Silence is Speech
Thought is Crime

I love Big Brother. 
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Seenterman on April 29, 2009, 10:36:19 AM
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"A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government," he wrote. "Democratic efforts to reduce the resulting problems ought not be rejected in freedom's name."

Can anyone say Doublespeak?

Let me translate for you guys if anyone missed his point.

A system that allows anyone to express their own point of view is not necessary in the intrest of us politicians keeping our jobs. A political effort to curb dissenting views ought not be rejected because its tyrannical. Come on guys give oppression a chance!

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"The modern world suffers from insufficient civility," they wrote. "Every hour of every day, people send angry e-mails they soon regret, cursing people they barely know (or even worse, their friends and loved ones).


Is being rude a crime now? Why do I have a feeling the next step is some form of speech police.

We can see what your typing and it is rude. We are now coming to chat with you  :police:

Any other thread would have the sarcasm smiley after that sentance. Not this one . . .
 
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: longeyes on April 29, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Rude?  Depends to whom?

Innuendo was banned last week in the U.K.  Along with fingernails.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Waitone on April 29, 2009, 08:47:30 PM
Control of talk radio and control over the internet are different wings on the same airplane.  Doing one without the other is a waste of effort.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: Teknoid on April 29, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
Time to set up another mail server. I doubt this asinine proposal would prevent being rude if one did that, and I LIKE being rude. Sometimes, it's necessary.

Anyone know if such a thing would bypass this plot? It's been a few years, and I might have killed the brain cells that held the info. I doubt that even the current batch of feeble-minded, anal-retentive, colon-headed politicians the drooling masses voted in could be willing to commit such political Seppuku, but you never know.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: makattak on April 30, 2009, 09:08:53 AM
Hmm...

Not surprising. After all, if we can limit the second amendment for the people's own good, why not the first?

What's funny is I thought all the examples gun-owners had used to illustrate the infringements on the second amendment by applying them to the first were hyperbole.

Apparently in this "New Era" satire has become reality.
Title: Re: Cass Sunstein sees Web as anti-democratic, proposed 24-hour email delay
Post by: coppertales on April 30, 2009, 01:03:07 PM
A warning message on an email should work about as well as the warning message on a pack of cigarettes.

If being rude is going to be a crime, say good bye to NYC.....chris3