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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: RoadKingLarry on April 28, 2009, 12:12:14 PM
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Specter just gave the Dems in the senate a fillibuster proof majority - POS!
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31639 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31639)
Hopefully Toomey can take him out in '10.
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It's only a label.
He's been with 'em for years.
Now if McCain would follow suit, at least we'd have some honesty in politics.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Yep, he's been with them for years, but I intend to write him and demand my campaign contributions back.
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Any way to trigger a recall?
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Parties have become irrelevant. Why do we continue to play this silly game?
What matters at this juncture is defense of the Constitution and States' rights.
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Yep. I'm so glad that President Bush and the Republican party spent so much money and political capital to support him in 2004.
Bravo, stupid party. Bravo.
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Specter's contact page is suddenly broken.
Golly. Whodathunkit?
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Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats.
Anyone else think this is Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos at work? :laugh:
Wasn't there somebody in the primary last time versus Specter, the GOP wanted to keep the status quo?
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If the RINO's keep switching parties, maybe we will end up a 2 Party System after all.
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If the RINO's keep switching parties, maybe we will end up a 2 Party System after all.
:lol: Yeah. One down; many more to go.
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Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats.
Anyone else think this is Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos at work? :laugh:
Wasn't there somebody in the primary last time versus Specter, the GOP wanted to keep the status quo?
Pat Toomey.
And to answer your question, no. At least not in PA. Most of the Repubs switched because they were pissed at the Repubs in Congress and Bush. Though, they have been very helpful for the more conservative branch of the Dems here in PA. Excluding Philly and Harrisburg, there's lots of us. Pittsburg is a mixed lot. There is one area of hardcore Leftism that I can't discuss for PC reasons, but essentially that pocket is untouchable. I'll ask around and see who we PA Dems can find to run against Specter.
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It's time for those on the Right to stop playing the game.
If they want a de facto one-party system, give it to them. Get out, walk out, be men.
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Also, it appears the Democrats will court conservative Democrats who are also true to their party and will excercise party discipline on them.
The Republicans, in contrast, will try to appease liberal Republicans who will drop them when they realize it's to their political advantage.
Now how is it that the Democrats can recognize the problems of appeasement IN POLITICS while the Republicans think if they just play nice we can get along?
Again, bravo, stupid party. Bravo.
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Anyone else think this is Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos at work? :laugh:
Wasn't there somebody in the primary last time versus Specter, the GOP wanted to keep the status quo?
I hold Limbaugh and much of "conservative" talk radio at fault for this.....during the "Contract with America" back in 1994, much of the House's conservative agenda was stymied in the Senate by the likes of Dole, Specter, McCain, and other RINOS. When the conservative Republicans clamored for the GOP to expunge them in the next election, Limbaugh came out and urged Repubs to vote them back in. He and his cohorts did the same thing for Dole's presidential campaign and when Bush turned out be a closet liberal in 2004. As a result, the RINOS took control of the party and pushed out the conservatives.....and here we are today.... :mad:
Right now, conservatives have two options....take back the GOP and clean out the RINOs (even if it means losing the majority of both houses for a few terms) or start a new party to compete with the big two....
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You know what?
I've been trying to say we need to do everything we can to stall the Democrat agenda and try to preserve enough of our country that once we do get control, we can take the steps to fix it.
Now? There's nothing left we can do (provided the Democrats do succeed in stealing the Minnesota election).
We need to seriously clean out the non-conservatives in the party.
We need to give people a clear choice in 2010. That's what happened in 1994. It needs to happen again.
Maybe we can include the Senate in the next "Contract with America".
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Heard a co-worker say, "Yeah I heard that too. Too bad he's still a Democrat."
:laugh:
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Too many conservatives live in a fantasy of what America has long since stopped being. We have one serious option: to preserve as much of what's left of America as they can. That means shoring up the Constitution and defending states' rights. Demographic trends and the mass culture favor a growing Dem majority. What do conservatives have to offer? Reason and Liberty. Those are tough sells in this kind of society, I'm afraid. America was founded by adults, for adults, but today the majority of Americans are perpetual adolescents who can't reason, are poorly informed, addicted to anything that will stop the pain, and completely unaware of their own legacy and values. If you think that's too pessimistic, ask yourself how we got to this sorry pass.
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Too many conservatives live in a fantasy of what America has long since stopped being. We have one serious option: to preserve as much of what's left of America as they can. That means shoring up the Constitution and defending states' rights. Demographic trends and the mass culture favor a growing Dem majority. What do conservatives have to offer? Reason and Liberty. Those are tough sells in this kind of society, I'm afraid. America was founded by adults, for adults, but today the majority of Americans are perpetual adolescents who can't reason, are poorly informed, addicted to anything that will stop the pain, and completely unaware of their own legacy and values. If you think that's too pessimistic, ask yourself how we got to this sorry pass.
What's even scarier, is I agree %100 with longeyes on this one.
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Spector has been a Democrat for years. I think he ought to retire. He switched because he was very likely to loose the Republican Senate primary. His day will come.
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Do you not find it interesting Spector figured out he is a loser 18 months before the election? I'd be interested in the actions of similar politicans; oh, say McCain ferrinstance.
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Do you not find it interesting Spector figured out he is a loser 18 months before the election? I'd be interested in the actions of similar politicans; oh, say McCain ferrinstance.
McCain's only declared primary competition is Chris Simcox of the Minutemen.
There's a lot of dirt on Simcox. Restraining orders, domestic violence accusations, running a historically significant newspaper into the ground, embezzling money from MCDC, getting coerced easily by Washington interests (Deiner Consultants)... The list is quite long.
Simcox is an easy political kill.
I support closing the border and the PBA and all affiliated groups, but after Simcox's behavior for the last 3-4 years I have not been active with MCDC. If I can't see eye-to-eye with him, then it's unlikely that the less politically active portions of Arizona's population are going to like what they hear about him.
Now... if JD Hayworth jumps on after the easy Simcox kill... McCain is done. But I think Hayworth is holding out for Governor of AZ.
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What's even scarier, is I agree %100 with longeyes on this one.
Me too.
Specter is best gone. I hope the arrogant <deleted> gets hammered by some young stud real Republican in the general election. He pissed me off so bad a couple of minutes ago when he said (I paraphrase):
I refuse to let the future of my 29-year Senate experience rest on the shoulders of the republican Party primary process.
WHAT? You puking dog--that's how we run elections in the United States, butthead. You are entitled to nothing, Pansy! I hope the PA voters hammer you into tin foil next year.
Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave, I swear to God.
Pennsylvania: Murtha and Specter--what a pair. Can we get Mike's Mom and our fellow APSers out and nuke the place?
TC
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Specter just gave the Dems in the senate a fillibuster proof majority - POS!
With Specter, Olympia Snowe, and that other RINO female (Collins?) . . . the Democrats already had that filibuster proof majority on most issues.
This just helps to make it more "official" and strips away some of the cloak of "bipartisanship" the Dems crowed about when Specter voted with them.
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They can have him if they promise not to return him.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Now let's get Toomey elected.
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Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave, I swear to God.
Pennsylvania: Murtha and Specter--what a pair. Can we get Mike's Mom and our fellow APSers out and nuke the place?
TC
Ahem. Thanks. ;)
I personally like PA. Excluding Philly, we have a lot of beautiful country, nice folks, lots of guns and a pretty moderate political scene. We have a very well written State Constitution that expressly states that you as an individual have a right to defend your property and life. With arms if you prefer. We have a Uniform Firearms Act which is the sole state law on firearms and precludes any lower government entity from infringing on our specific rights in regards to keeping and bearing arms. It codifies into the law of the land that any government entity under its juristriction that infringes RKBA is committing a crime. Not that any anti-RKBA govt action is invalid, but rather illegal.
Specter historically wasn't that bad. It's only recently he went way off the reservation. Santorium went off the reservation and got replaced. Specter will probably get replaced. Folks are looking for valid replacements, we'll see. It's a little early to advocating nuking us.
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Santorum's problem was he held Trent Lott's hat and coat and it caught up with him.
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There's a lot of dirt on Simcox. Restraining orders, domestic violence accusations, running a historically significant newspaper into the ground, embezzling money from MCDC, getting coerced easily by Washington interests (Deiner Consultants)... The list is quite long.
Really? I hadn't heard about that. Any indication if they are reliable?
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I refuse to let the future of my 29-year Senate experience rest on the shoulders of the republican Party primary process.
29 YEAR this is the problem!!
We need to get the law changed 8 years and your out just like the president!!
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I have faith that the Pennsylvania T zone will see through this shameless bit of political expediency.
It's amazing that he'd whine about the Republican primary process when he used it to his benefit several times.
He knew the writing was on the wall -- Toomey had a 20 point advantage among Republicans.
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Can Toomey beat Specter in a general election?
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Can Toomey beat Specter in a general election?
Depends. Specter has annoyed a lot of folks, but he has the advantage of name recognition and lack of aggressive competition.
PA isn't as party loyalist as some folks are. Hell, when the Dems internally disagreed too much over electing a speaker for the House, the compromise was to put a Repub at the job (of a Dem controlled House, mind you). It was a short term thing, but barely raised an eyebrow.
Mind you, the rest of the post is coming from someone active in the PA Democratic Party.
As much as it annoys people, we will put our own interests ahead of party lines. Especially if those party lines are coming from the federal level. If folks think Toomey will just toe the GOP party line without regards to his actual voters, then he's dead in the water. Bob Casey Jr is a Dem, mostly toes the Dem party line when it doesn't blatantly matter, but he doesn't tend to stab us in the back either. Much stronger 2A supporter too. Keeps a nice low profile and doesn't screw us over too badly. That's essentially all we care about.
We're not going to do a recall and most folks are just waiting to see what happens at election time. IF the dems as a party start to majorly screw up, they'll be tossed out. The dems got a lot of seats because the Repubs pissed off a lot of folks during the Bush years. The anti-Bush backlash honeymoon is almost over. Not quite, but close.
They will lose seats if they burn their political capital on one more unpopular subject. Bailing out the banks and the auto industry burned a lot of the public goodwill. If they pretty much do nothing politically aggressive until the next election, they'll hold power. Maybe lose few seats, maybe gain a few. No big change. If they pick a sensitive issue and run with it, they'll lose big. A gun ban, amnesty bill, or another huge spending bill and they're dead come next election.
At a state level, we have the lovely opposite problem. Folks are annoyed at our guv, and unless he Does Something to pander to Philly, he's gone come re-election. He knows it, which is why he's sucking up to Philly with the anti-gun rhetoric. Unless he's dumber than a box of rocks, I think he wants to loudly squawk about guns to get philly, but not actually sign anything so the rest of the state really wants to toss him out. Unless the opposition sucks, which is always possible.
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At a state level, we have the lovely opposite problem. Folks are annoyed at our guv, and unless he Does Something to pander to Philly, he's gone come re-election.
Actually he's gone not matter what. Term limits.
PA tends to go both ways, mostly because of Philly. We'll see how it goes this time around, but I really think all those Dems polling positively for Spectre are only doing so because he is bucking the Republican party, much like polls showed more support from Dems than McCain got once the real vote actually came up.