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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Jocassee on May 13, 2009, 10:47:56 AM
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I thought the discerning audience of the Armed, Polite Society would appreciate these. I took them yesterday while flying over the Champlain Valley in a 172.
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Lake George, west of Champlain
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The aircraft
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yours truly
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Nice pics. Are you a pilot?
Been a while since I've been flying...need to get back to it.
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Nope, I don't fly. I was just taking pictures and getting airsick.
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Nope, I don't fly. I was just taking pictures and getting airsick.
Hehe. Both of my sisters got sick on their respective first flights when I took them up.
Some people can get used to it, others can't. I get seasick, but not airsick or carsick.
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I took them yesterday while flying over the Champlain Valley in a 172.
You're obviously a terrorist.
Don't worry... you were noticed by DHS and will soon have an opportunity to visit the Colorado SuperMax, without bothering with any of that pesky "rights" or "trial" stuff.
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is this fort ticonderoga? i know it is somewhere up there, but haven't been to see it. either that or there is another waco about to happen.
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Love me some star forts.
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How much they want for it? In this economy, it must be cheap.
I'll chip in to buy it and turn it into Ft APS.
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is this fort ticonderoga? i know it is somewhere up there, but haven't been to see it. either that or there is another waco about to happen.
Yeah somehow that didn't make it into the post. That is Fort Ticonderoga, situated on the West (New York) side of Lake Champlain.
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Note that it was aircraft as small and simple (or more so) as that Cessna that turned the Vauban star design into so much history.
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I seem to remember the area being much more built up than that during my visit. I'm probably getting some things mixed up. I was around ten when my family went on a tour there.
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Graves, who are you quoting and what's the context? I may have heard it before.
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Graves, who are you quoting and what's the context? I may have heard it before.
Ethan Allen as he took the pictured Fort.
Here's a tip.
Just type or cut and paste a quote or a significant part of a quote you want the source of into google; most of the time you'll get your answer.
google is a great search engine, folks should use it more.
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Note that it was aircraft as small and simple (or more so) as that Cessna that turned the Vauban star design into so much history.
Wouldn't you say advances in artillery had an impact also?
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In my old job, I got ride alongs with all sorts of people. Made friends with a Matamoros, Mex. Cop while working in KBRO (damn good friend to have "just in case"). He was a licensed US pilot to boot. Wifey McMoneybags had the hots for him to boot, so I talked her into going up for a flight along the beach in the 172 he rented. He let me fly for a bit, he had to correct my rate of climb or descent....when I was supposed to be flying level :laugh:....He looks over his shoulder and informs me that my wife, riding in back, is turning green. Apparantly the yo-yo climbs and decents were'nt doing her any favors. She has never been up in another small airplane since.... :lol:
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Wouldn't you say advances in artillery had an impact also?
You are very punny!
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Note that it was aircraft as small and simple (or more so) as that Cessna that turned the Vauban star design into so much history.
The French didn't get that memo until 1939.
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The French didn't get that memo until 1939.
But in a brilliant stroke of luck that would prove most useful in the coming months the memo was printed on white paper. =D
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Wouldn't you say advances in artillery had an impact also?
Yes, but they had howitzers and indirect fire when Vauban was laying out his fortresses.
Overhead spotting to allow precision targeting, precision dive bombing and vertical envelopment are arguably more important than sheer weight of metal however delivered.
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Fort Ti is haunted.
As a Boyscout I was on a camping trip there, late at night I was looking out my tent
When about 15/20 yards away what looked like a rev war era militia member with an odd short barreled shotgun or rifle
( blunderbuss? ) he wasn't "real" he looked like he had been drawn with a very fine white neon pen, and you could see right through him.
The odd thing is, I wasn't really scared, I was shocked. He didn't seem to see our campsite at all but was careful not to bump into trees as he stalked by, gun at the ready...very interesting.
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Yes, but they had howitzers and indirect fire when Vauban was laying out his fortresses.
Overhead spotting to allow precision targeting, precision dive bombing and vertical envelopment are arguably more important than sheer weight of metal however delivered.
I was thinking in terms of high explosive shells, rifled guns, and much longer ranged guns. Recoil absorbing systems also that allowed much higher rates of accurate fire. I'm no fortifications expert though.
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I was thinking in terms of high explosive shells, rifled guns, and much longer ranged guns. Recoil absorbing systems also that allowed much higher rates of accurate fire. I'm no fortifications expert though.
Some of the old-school mortars they used were freakishly large & could toss a really large shell on top of the fort:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Joseph_Paixhans
In 1823, he invented the first shell guns, which came to be called Paixhans guns (or "canon-obusiers" in the French Navy). Paixhans guns became the first naval guns to combine explosive shells and a flat trajectory, thereby triggering the demise of wooden ships, and the iron hull revolution in boat building. Paixhans also invented a "Mortier monstre" ("Monster Mortar"), using 500 kg bombs, which was used to terrible effect in the Siege of Antwerp in 1832. He was also a naval theorist claiming that a few aggressively armed small units could destroy the largest naval units of the time, making him a precursor of the French "Jeune École" school of thought.
The poet Victor Hugo wrote:
"Terre! l'obus est Dieu, Paixhans est son prophète."
("Earth! the shell is God, Paixhans is his Prophet.")
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Even that beast did not spell the end of fortresses.
On another note, we give the Froggies a hard time, military-wise, but they sure did develop some of the key .mil technology over the years.
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I seem to remember the area being much more built up than that during my visit. I'm probably getting some things mixed up. I was around ten when my family went on a tour there.
Flew back over it again to day while my buddy was doing practice landings and takeoffs at the Fort Ti airport (the term is generous). You are correct, the town is very close to the Fort. Just outside of my picture frame, in fact.
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Fort Ti is haunted.
As a Boyscout I was on a camping trip there, late at night I was looking out my tent
When about 15/20 yards away what looked like a rev war era militia member with an odd short barreled shotgun or rifle
( blunderbuss? ) he wasn't "real" he looked like he had been drawn with a very fine white neon pen, and you could see right through him.
The odd thing is, I wasn't really scared, I was shocked. He didn't seem to see our campsite at all but was careful not to bump into trees as he stalked by, gun at the ready...very interesting.
No offense, but if you don't take that post back alot of people will think you're insane. I can think of a few logical explanations, though.
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No offense, but if you don't take that post back alot of people will think you're insane. I can think of a few logical explanations, though.
I can see you have never experienced a haunting, freedom lover. I, for one, have no trouble believing gunsmith's account. That comes from having owned a home in Colorado Springs where...interesting...things happened from time to time.
The world can be an unusual place, as you will find out as you grow older.
Whoa! Thread veer...
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Getting back on topic..........
Here's an pretty interesting article about Ethan Allen and fort ticonderoga.
http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1963/6/1963_6_65.shtml (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1963/6/1963_6_65.shtml)
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No offense, but if you don't take that post back alot of people will think you're insane. I can think of a few logical explanations, though.
I don't think he's insane. People see stuff in old buildings all the time. Sometimes it can be explained, sometimes not.
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I already had him pegged as a nutter.
What's a little haint sighting on top of voluntarily hanging out here?
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In additional to strange things, you also have to admit the mind is big on pattern recognition. Sometimes it sees patterns that aren't there. I am not saying that is what happened. I wasn't there.
..............you should lay off the weed though. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Some of the old-school mortars they used were freakishly large & could toss a really large shell on top of the fort:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Joseph_Paixhans
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Even that beast did not spell the end of fortresses.
On another note, we give the Froggies a hard time, military-wise, but they sure did develop some of the key .mil technology over the years.
I agree it didn't spell the end of fortresses, but I was thinking the star pattern design originated much earlier than that and was mostly a reaction to direct fire artillery using solid shot which tore down stone walls easily.
I guess the development of reinforced concrete was what really changed things. :)
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No offense, but if you don't take that post back alot of people will think you're insane. I can think of a few logical explanations, though.
That would be "a lot" not "alot".
One of the great benefits of being 30 plus years away from the high school experience is not giving a rats buttocks about what people think.
Adults who worry about what people think and tailor their beliefs, actions, and words on what they ( often erroneously ) think others think, are idiots.
Interestingly, I happened to do a google search on Haunted Fort Ticonderoga, (while formulating a reply) it seems as if I am not alone!
Lots of people feel Fort Ti is haunted too!
I was amazed to find this out, very interesting.
http://books.google.com/books?id=OxuiLy0FhuoC&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=hauntings+at+Fort+Ticonderoga&source=bl&ots=N_NJITeCac&sig=EoM65zZhKZdN9ZX_HVSrZAfOWLo&hl=en&ei=fK8MSunRF5OMtgOJiM2JAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2
I was totally unaware of this before I went camping there!
Woah! Robert Louis Stevenson wrote a poem about the ghost of Fort Ti!!
I have to thank you for suggesting I was insane freedom lover!
I just spent an hour researching ghost and fort ti, amazing! =D :cool:
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Dear old mother was a D.A.R back in the 50's, besides the typical people who were alive back then (the revolution, not the 50's) and who won our glorious revolution
I am also related to Aaron Burr, perhaps it was a descendant of mine coming for a visit, who knows?
We can prove we have gravity, proving matters of beliefs and religion and supernatural are a lot more difficult.
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When it comes to the good opinion of others, I am practical.
I do not seek to alienate and often work to cultivate others for more or less altruistic reasons.
But, if you put a gun to my head and said, "Tell me what you really think of others opinions' of your self!" I'd shrug and say, "Not much."
I am reminded of a line written years ago on THR:
"External validation is for suckers and chubby teenage girls."
----junyo at thehighroad.org
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When it comes to the good opinion of others, I am practical.
I do not seek to alienate and often work to cultivate others for more or less altruistic reasons.
But, if you put a gun to my head and said, "Tell me what you really think of others opinions' of your self!" I'd shrug and say, "Not much."
I am reminded of a line written years ago on THR:
"External validation is for suckers and chubby teenage girls."
----junyo at thehighroad.org
LOL
Also, are you ok gunsmith? Has someone taken over your account? The writing style is totally different than usual in that last post.....
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thanks, everything is OK, well besides being unemployed,broke,depressed,and the other usual stuff...everything is great! :cool:
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No offense, but if you don't take that post back alot of people will think you're insane. I can think of a few logical explanations, though.
Of course you can think of logical explanations. In fact, you have to, or else you must accept that what you saw was something that logic cannot explain. And that would be illogical.
Except that logic can't explain everything. I've seen and felt things for which there is no logical explanation. Walk a blind man into Auschwitz and he will feel something which logic says isn't there. A friend and I both saw the same thing, and had the same description of it, and it could not possibly have been there, or anywhere, that I know of.
You can have your thread back now.