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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Regolith on May 22, 2009, 07:31:21 PM
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I got a new 10/22 stainless a couple months back. Haven't shot it yet because I've been too busy with college, but hopefully I'll be able to remedy that soon.
Anyway, I'm not very happy with the basic sights that come on it. Normally I like iron sights, but I can't stand the simple notched sights like what come on the 10/22; I prefer the "buckhorn" or "semi-buckhorn" style.
I was thinking about putting something else on it. I'm not sure I want to put a scope on it, but if I do it will likely be a low fixed power, maybe 3 or 4x. I was thinking about putting a red-dot sight on it, but I don't want to spend much. $100 is absolute upper limit, and I'd prefer to keep it closer to $60.
I'm not going to be doing any precision shooting with it, and I probably won't be shooting much past 100 yards. I figure whatever I use needs to be able to keep within the accuracy of the rifle (which I don't know yet, since I haven't shot it - may be as low as 2 moa, may be as high as 4).
The Wal-Mart here sells BSA red dots for around $50 or $60, IIRC, and the Bi-Mart sells a Tasco red dot for around $60 or $70. Are either of these any good for my application, or am I better off going with a scope?
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If you can wait for a sale after deer hunting season is over, you may get a very good deal on a variable power scope with an adjustable objective lens to compensate for parallax. I think you will find the 10/22 to be a very accurate rifle, if you have a decent trigger on it, and feed it with quality ammo. I do not recommend the cheap scopes designed for .22 rifles, and if you intend to hunt small game with it the better scope will help tremendously over a red dot optic. Small game at distance requires better shot placement than you can get from a red dot with a 5 MOA dot and no magnification.
If you want a good iron sight, I suggest that you look at an aperture (peep) sight. If you can find one that mounts to the scope rail, then you can easily exchange the peep for an optic when the circumstances demand higher precision.
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Put ketchup, mustard, pickles, corn relish, bacon, cheese, onions, and bean sprouts on it. Mmm-mmmmm, good!
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a 50 to 100 round drum mag, and a weekend of shear bliss. That is if you can scrape up some ammo.
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Sights (http://www.tech-sights.com/)
Scope (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=748138)
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the fake aimpoints are pretty good
http://www.1337tactical.com/shop/productview.php?productId=111
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I really like the tech sights. But the other option that I like for the 10/22 is the williams sights...
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/
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the fake aimpoints are pretty good
http://www.1337tactical.com/shop/productview.php?productId=111
Who wrote that website?
"Our product was made by aircraft aluminum with water resistant feature. The scope is specifically designed for real firearm and be mounted in all standard picatinny rails."
Lack of understanding what pluralization is, not to mention "made by aircraft aluminum". Sounds like a bad translation.
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The Williams Sights look interesting. I'd come across them while looking for sights in the past, but I didn't know how good of quality they are. The ones I'd want to try (the WGRS-RU22 Guide Receiver peep sight) are out of stock at MidwayUSA, unfortunately.
What is the general quality on these, and how easy are they to use? I've never messed with peep sights before, though I understand generally how to use them...and should I get the brass bead sight or the fiber optic "Fire Sight"? They both cost the same...
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If you get Williams, get the FP series. They have internal mechanical detents for adjustment.
A bit more expensive than Tech Sights, but nicer IMO. Not that Tech Sights are bad... just not as nice as the Williams. And get a fiber optic front sight.
With requirements between 2 and 4MOA I think you're more than adequate with irons.
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Will I need to have the receiver tapped for the FP series? It looks like it mounts differently than the WGRS series. I don't particularly want to have to take it to a gunsmith to have it worked on; the nearest one is 45 miles away, I have no idea how good he is, and it just adds to the cost.
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Peep sights or a scope :-)
I have a scope on my 10/22. Its a lower power scope, but it shoots well.
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I think I saw this same post on THR.us. :)
I recently got a 10/22. I had a Simmons 1.5-5X sitting on the shelf so since it came with the mount, I mounted it. It shoots pretty good. I think I'd prefer a fixed power at about 4X or so if I was buying one. I would have to be careful how cheap I went though.
I have no experience with cheap red dots. It seems to me that for more precise shooting, I'd want something better.
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I think I saw this same post on THR.us. :)
If you did, it wasn't by me. :lol:
Although, I did post in a thread that was decrying the decline of quality in 10/22s, and I said some of the same things...
I recently got a 10/22. I had a Simmons 1.5-5X sitting on the shelf so since it came with the mount, I mounted it. It shoots pretty good. I think I'd prefer a fixed power at about 4X or so if I was buying one. I would have to be careful how cheap I went though.
I have no experience with cheap red dots. It seems to me that for more precise shooting, I'd want something better.
I'm iffy on scopes. I prefer to use irons unless the situation calls for a scope, and shooting at 100 yards doesn't really qualify. I briefly mentioned them to see if someone had any good ideas. Red dots sounded good, but it looks like the cheap ones aren't worth it.
I think I'm going to go with the Williams peep sights. Not sure if I'm going with the FP series or with the WGRS series; I'll probably do the FP if someone can assure me that they mount to the factory scope mounting holes. If not, I'll go with the other ones, even if they are a bit harder to use.
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How about an IPod?....I'm sure it can be adapted....
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I got the FP 336 from Midway for my Marlin 30/30. It mounted in the two rear scope mount holes. I would assume a 10/22 version would do the same, but I didn't see it on Midway's site. It seems to me it would give more adjustment than the other type.
For me, I have a Marlin 39A with iron sights so I figured I would go ahead and mount the scope on the 10/22. The iron sights didn't impress me much and it came with the scope mount rail anyway.
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Actually.....the real answer would be....
Everything....
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Actually.....the real answer would be....
Everything....
:angel:
Including chocolate sprinkles?
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The only bolt-on peep Williams offers for the 10/22 is the WGRS type. That rear sight will require a higher front sight-post be installed, but the recommended height is listed on their web site.
If you want to mount the Fool-Proof peep sight, you will have to do modifications to the 10/22, and it may not even be practical. You would need to contact Williams to see which model of FP sight would be suitable for mounting on a modified 10/22.
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The only bolt-on peep Williams offers for the 10/22 is the WGRS type. That rear sight will require a higher front sight-post be installed, but the recommended height is listed on their web site.
If you want to mount the Fool-Proof peep sight, you will have to do modifications to the 10/22, and it may not even be practical. You would need to contact Williams to see which model of FP sight would be suitable for mounting on a modified 10/22.
Thanks for the information. I think I'll be getting the WGRS series, then. The set offered by Midway comes with a front post, so I don't have to worry about finding one with the right height.
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Including chocolate sprinkles?
Sure....but Jelly Bellys don't feed through the mags very well... :P
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I have a Beeman 2.5X on one of mine. Shoot it today, does a great job.
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Actually.....the real answer would be....
Everything....
Is there a single component in that actually made by ruger?
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Is there a single component in that actually made by ruger?
I imagine the original receiver and serial number are buried in there somewhere.
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I imagine the original receiver and serial number are buried in there somewhere.
You don't even need that anymore (http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm)
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Regolith, have you looked at a j-point? Although, I bet they are more than $100.
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Regolith, have you looked at a j-point? Although, I bet they are more than $100.
Hadn't seen those before, but they cost more than my rifle. :O
Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of money to spend on sights.
After thinking about it for a while, I'm starting to lean more towards getting the XS ghost rings, though. They may cost twice as much as the Williams peep sights, but they look like they'll be easier to adjust...
Neither of them are in stock until the end of the month anyway, so I guess I've got a week or so to make my decision.
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Hmmmm...
What to put on a Ruger? ???
Let's see. :|
Place ruger on solid ground.
Put 50 lb. rock on it by dropping the rock from about 10' up. :O
As scrap metal the Ruger has now increased in value.
HEY! Someone had to say it.
<shrugs> I am Not kidding...
NOTE: My attitude has nothing to do with Bill Ruger and his politics. He made a pragmatic and for the times wise decision. IMO Rugers are crap, poorly spec'd and over engineered to compensate for the incompetence of it's designers. The only good thing I can say about their guns is they are relatively speaking, inexpensive - oh what the heck - cheap. Unfortunately when it comes to firearms they are one of the very few categories of product where one actually does get what one pays for.
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Hmmmm...
What to put on a Ruger? ???
Let's see. :|
Place ruger on solid ground.
Put 50 lb. rock on it by dropping the rock from about 10' up. :O
As scrap metal the Ruger has now increased in value.
We're talking about the 10/22....not the Mini-14.... ;/
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We're talking about the 10/22....not the Mini-14.... ;/
Hmmm...
I will give you that... :lol:
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Thebest thing to put on any new firearm is the patina of steady usage. Pistol grip and forearm polished from hours of handling. The bore polished to a fine mirror finish form thousands of rounds down range and careful cleaning. And the overall finish ever so slightly sun faded from thousands of hours in the great outdoors.
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IMO Rugers are crap, poorly spec'd and over engineered to compensate for the incompetence of it's designers. The only good thing I can say about their guns is they are relatively speaking, inexpensive - oh what the heck - cheap. Unfortunately when it comes to firearms they are one of the very few categories of product where one actually does get what one pays for.
Yeah, sure, ok.
Whatever you say.
My Ruger #1S has been nothing but a delight to me, as has my 10/22.
I learned my lesson with my Mini-14 and Mini-30, but broad brush stroke generalizations are exactly that, and worth their face value.
I am more than willing to let anybody shoot and handle either the Ruger #1 or 10/22 and then tell me to my face what a cheap, poorly-made piece of crap they are... :rolleyes:
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I personally prefer the double action stroke of a Ruger revolver over a S&W. Something about the geometry of the trigger stroke suits my hands better. Yes, they're generally rougher out of the box, but plenty of shooting or some gentle cleanup via stoning and proper lubrication will make them a dream to shoot. My GP100 has the best DA of any revolver I've shot or handled, my Redhawk isn't far behind (a bit heavier pull).
Chris
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I personally prefer the double action stroke of a Ruger revolver over a S&W. Something about the geometry of the trigger stroke suits my hands better. Yes, they're generally rougher out of the box, but plenty of shooting or some gentle cleanup via stoning and proper lubrication will make them a dream to shoot. My GP100 has the best DA of any revolver I've shot or handled, my Redhawk isn't far behind (a bit heavier pull).
Chris
When I got my model 66 all my GP-100 does is sit there and collect dust. I thought my Ruger had a good trigger but wow that Smith is freaking awesome It had work done by the previous owner so it really isn't a fair comparison. Maybe I need to sell my GP-100?
That being said, I'd love to have a Ruger #1 also, not sure what caliber. I also love my bare stock 10/22, I can hit quarter sized groups all day at 25 yards off hand with open sights.
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When I got my model 66 all my GP-100 does is sit there and collect dust. I thought my Ruger had a good trigger but wow that Smith is freaking awesome It had work done by the previous owner so it really isn't a fair comparison. Maybe I need to sell my GP-100?
I own a mix of Smiths and Rugers (3 each at the moment) and I've handled or shot many others. The Ruger DAs have a long DA trigger stroke that "breaks" at the right moment for me. S&Ws are shorter and break too early in the stroke. Years ago, I cleaned up my GP100 and put lighter springs in it (still reliable with all ammo). The trigger feels more like a roller mechanism than one of sliding, rubbing parts. No doubt a S&W trigger can be just as light and smooth, but none of the ones I've fired have the internal geometry that seems to fit my trigger finger. Based on what I've read, I suspect a "long action" S&W would be what I'd like, but I don't own any of those.
I only have 3 reasons to buy a S&W over Ruger: They're generally lighter, they are "prettier", and they tend to be available in more calibers.
Chris
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Politics aside (and since Ole Billy died I have to admit Ruger has turned around) I'd love a 10/22, and if they come out with a lightweight snubbie that doesn't look like it's from Tyco I'd be all over it. And heck, it's not like Smith has a great political track record either. #1's are gorgeous, and although I may never own one I surely do admire their clean lines.
I keep hoping Ruger will introduce a SxS rifle with screw barrel regulation like the... Baikal, I believe? One of those Russian companies. Short, light 45-70 with a rail to mount an Aimpoint or Eotech on would be my dream brush gun.
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If we're wishing for new Rugers, I'd like to see a 22lr GP100 without an underlug on the barrel and a Redhawk with the gripstud of the SRH or GP100. I love my Redhawk, but that huge gripframe makes it nearly impossible to get grips that fit my hand (other than the factory grips or high end custom grips). A 5-shot 44special GP100 and alloy, +P (or magnum) rated 3" SP101 would also be nice.
Chris
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Mmmm, 5 shot alloy GP100..... Now that's hot. :) I wish 296's weren't so expensive.
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Mmmm, 5 shot alloy GP100..... Now that's hot. :) I wish 296's weren't so expensive.
No, I wouldn't want it in alloy, the alloy was for the SP101.
A GP100 sized gun loaded with 240gr SWC@1000fps would be a sweet fishing/camping/hiking gun for the Southeastern US. I have a load like that for my Redhawk, but it's a bit pudgy.
Chris
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If we're wishing for new Rugers, I'd like to see a 22lr GP100 without an underlug on the barrel and a Redhawk with the gripstud of the SRH or GP100. I love my Redhawk, but that huge gripframe makes it nearly impossible to get grips that fit my hand (other than the factory grips or high end custom grips). A 5-shot 44special GP100 and alloy, +P (or magnum) rated 3" SP101 would also be nice.
Chris
I want to see a 10/22 based 7.62x39.....
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G98: If you post any more pics of that sweet #1, I'm going to need to drool-proof my keyboard.... =D
No, I wouldn't want it in alloy, the alloy was for the SP101.
A GP100 sized gun loaded with 240gr SWC@1000fps would be a sweet fishing/camping/hiking gun for the Southeastern US. I have a load like that for my Redhawk, but it's a bit pudgy.
Count me in for both....I'd love to see a SP101 in the same alloy they do the P-series pistols in...shouldn't be too hard for Ruger to do...and a 5-shot GP100 in .44SPL or .41Mag would make a great woodsgun...or CCW....
Heck, I'd also like to see Ruger do an 8-rd. Redhawk in .357 with a 96 lever-action companion....detachable rotary Magnum mags on a levergun would be the bees' knees for HD.... :cool:
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I think my next Ruger purchase will be a New Vaquero conversion in .44 Special, which I will fit with either elk or stag grips.
I've had a serious jones going for one of them, and since the New Vaquero is closer in size to the original Colt SAA, it's time I got one.
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If you want a good iron sight, I suggest that you look at an aperture (peep) sight. If you can find one that mounts to the scope rail, then you can easily exchange the peep for an optic when the circumstances demand higher precision.
I recommend Tech-Sights.
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What to put on your Ruger 10/22?
This:
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Then you can nickname the rifle Kolchak: The Night Stalker
And buy it a little straw hat and some press credentials.