BS. Everyone of the bastards should be legally liable.
If you think the girl needs to be searched beyond her locker, bag, and emptying her packets they should have to call a police officer to take over from there.
Under no circumstances should school officials be allowed to search beyond a students locker and bags.
remains to be seen if they are held liable the court didn't rule on that
Great way to manufacture a ponzi scheme, IMO.
BS. Everyone of the bastards should be legally liable.
If you think the girl needs to be searched beyond her locker, bag, and emptying her packets they should have to call a police officer to take over from there.
Under no circumstances should school officials be allowed to search beyond a students locker and bags.
I don't know how people can ship their kids off to public schools, honestly. Thank God for home-schooling.
So, in light of this, for the parents out there; what should you teach your children about dealing with the situation where school administrators tell them to remove their clothes? :O
Considering the dems consistently remove choice from the table...........
My kids already know the unequivocal answer to that.
Considering the dems consistently remove choice from the table...........
It should also require a warrant.It should require the same thing any police search does. Warrant OR probable cause. Perhaps I am wrong, last I checked a police search of a person does not require a warrant, only probable cause.
Wasn't homeschooling legal in all 50 states?
It should require the same thing and police search does. Warrant OR probable cause. Perhaps I am wrong, last I checked a search of a person did not require a warrant, only probable cause.
JJ, thought that would have been clear from my earlier post where I called BS on school admins doing it.
Sorry for any confusion, edited to add the by the police part.
The Arizona school, which bans prescription and over-the-counter drugs, suspected Savana Redding, then 13, of carrying ibuprofen.
JJ: I know it's not a popular opinion, but a double income family could afford it, they just refuse to adjust their lifestyle. I always hate to see people choose material things over their kids best interests. Sad commentary on today's excessive, debt ridden society.
m raised 6 kids while working a crappy low paying job, homeschooling us, and taking care of Dad.
So? Is that a violation of the law?
C&SD: The individual administrators can't be held liable, but the district as a whole can...
Great way to manufacture a ponzi scheme, IMO.
I'm a principal. I'll order your daughter to do a strip search if you'll split the civil suit proceedings with me down the middle. We'll get millions from the district... I'll lose my job but then I'll go buy a thousand acres out in the mountains and live like a king. And I'll never feel an ounce of heat for my decisions. In fact, I'll get rewarded.
Maybe they can even start respecting the dignity of students - but that'd probably be "utopian" of me.
The schools consider OTC meds the same as marijuana.
Oh, I agree Bridgewalker public schools shouldn't be like this. And the 16th Amendment should be repealed, Social Security should've been laughed down when proposed, and I should be able to buy a full auto suppressed 10/22 over the counter with no paperwork. Should be != actually is.
That's just not statistically true. Mark-wise, homeschooled children perform better. And it's really really obvious why, and it has nothing do with schools being bad.
The fact that some abusive cultures mis-use homeschooling is sad but hardly an indictment of the concept. That being said, there are a wealth of non-homeschooling options that are preferable. And I absolutely think every parent and concerned person should be fighting tooth and nail to kill the NEA, allow more options for alternative schooling etc.
What was once considered middle class is now often considered party.
Totally with you on the NEA. Fortunately, although this town has crappy regular public schools, there are some good to excellent charter, magnet, and parochial options. We're actually leaning towards a magnet school that focuses on the performing arts--we've heard some good things and I think some exposure to music and dance early on could be really good for her.
I wasn't actually thinking of cultural misuse of homeschooling, but of several families and homeschoolees of my acquaintance for whom homeschooling has become an expression of the parents' desire to build small clones. Liberal or conservative or whatever, too many of the homeschooling families that I know build a micro cult of personality around the parent.
Great, so now when our kids get violated by government employees, instead of them punishing their own, they dip into that taxpayer coffers and dole it back out to us. What incentive does give them to not do the same thing over again? I must have missed it.
And here I thought the feat my Mom and Dad carried out in raising me, teaching me English, history, arithmetics, paying for my instruction in various languages (the primary public school was so crap I essentially learned nothing from them even though I went), and then finally breaking and paying for a private school while worknig below minimum wage - I thought that was great. Your mother is awesome.
That's proabably why, in 12 years of combined elementary & high school, I never even heard of an attempted strip search by school officials.
So, in light of this, for the parents out there; what should you teach your children about dealing with the situation where school administrators tell them to remove their clothes? :O
1. I've never seen or heard of that, and I'd wager I've been a hell of a lot more active in the homeschooling community than you.
2. Bad parents are bad parents. "Too many of the public school parents I know just want to ship their kids off for someone else to raise." ;/
3. Isn't the entire point of being a parent to attempt to inculcate your values in your child? Are you claiming you raise your children to not hold the same values as you? I'm actually rather confused about what you mean here.
You've had bad experiences? I'm sorry, I really am. But making broad brush insulting statements about a group of people who are willing to sacrifice massive amounts of time, money, and energy trying to do what is best for their children is not an acceptable response.
Second, you should educate yourself more thoroughly before you draw conclusions regarding issues of which you are clearly largely ignorant. Especially when those conclusions involve someone else's family.
Allow me to quote you to explain why it bothers me Bridgewalker.
Balog, get over yourself. I am allowed to dislike the idea of homeschooling. Even if you like homeschooling.
I am even allowed to make a determination as to whether I want to homeschool or not without having spent a couple decades doing it. That quote is utterly irrelevant.
You are indeed entitled to your opinion. But you could make your points in a more polite and civil manner.
I believe I did, until Balog decided to attack me repeatedly.
I've talked to parents whose children have been "violated" in one way or another. And I always ask them (incredulously), "Why aren't you taking action?"
And it saddens me that, quite often, they just reply with some form of "complaining wouldn't make any difference"... *headdesk*
Kids today have no backbone.
Parents today have no backbone.
I disagree with Hank. Not every kid lacks backbone. But look at the world they are inherienting. They have never known an uncorrupt politician, an authority that did not view every citizen with hostility and suspicion, nor a future that looks other than bleak. Ask any kid under 30 if they expect to ever see a dime of social security, of which they pay 14% of every paycheck.
As for parents, I don't know if I'm qualified to judge. I have seen so few excellent parents, and so many broken families.
For the record, I went to a most awesome private school starting mid Grade-9. It was one of these traditional institutions, started in 1863 as a Christian girls' school. It's still heavily Christian, and owned by the Scottish church. They have prayer and everything.
There is one.
Tabeetha School, Jaffa. It is one of the oldest educational institutions still standing in the country. I believe it competes only with the Jesuit school in Jerusalem. I could be wrong.
So, in light of this, for the parents out there; what should you teach your children about dealing with the situation where school administrators tell them to remove their clothes? :O
Again, you are entitled to your beliefs. But you still could have been more polite.
I don't care what you do with your kids. That's not relevant.
Your dismissal of "most people who homeschool" as whackjobs is what we're talking about.
By law, guns are banned in schools. I can understand some repercussions for bringing a gun to school. However, was there an actual LAW passed that says a student can't bring OTC meds to school?? I don't know of one, but I could be wrong. Where does the school get off making it's own laws?? After all, it's the "PUBLIC School System". How can they enforce situations that are contrary to State and Federal Law?? Perhaps this attitude needs to be addressed. NO MORE NANNY STATISM !!!
Its all a result of zero tolerance policies being tolerated. School administrators aren't required to think. Treating a kid the same for bringing Ibuprofen as another kid who brings meth is insanity. Much the same as elementary kids being expelled for bringing a GIjoe toy gun, applying the same policy as if the kid brought his dad's class III in.
My favorite policy is the violence policy at every school I am familiar with. Both parties are punished, and in most cases, punished equally. If someone jumps on you, starts beating the every livin' heck out of you and you do absolutely nothing, you got suspended as well.Sounds like you can get rid of the principal by jumping him and beating the ever livin' heck out of him. You may get suspended, but he will, too, right? =D
Sounds like you can get rid of the principal by jumping him and beating the ever livin' heck out of him. You may get suspended, but he will, too, right? =D
It was worse than that 10 years ago when I was in HS. I heard of getting suspended for bringing in a metal butterknife in one's lunch.
My favorite policy is the violence policy at every school I am familiar with. Both parties are punished, and in most cases, punished equally. If someone jumps on you, starts beating the every livin' heck out of you and you do absolutely nothing, you got suspended as well.
Interestingly, this very policy was what lead me on a spiritual, moral and philosophically journey. I was a pacifist as a kid. I didn't so much disagree with violence on a moral level (that too), but mostly I thought it was an insanely inefficient means of resolving issues. Mind you, I hit 6 by the time I was 14 or so, so my nickname was "the gentle giant". You'd think size alone would deter bullies. Quite the contrary, they thought it was hysterical to punch or kick someone literally twice their size who would not do anything in return.
So, one day a kid was assaulting me and it dawned on me that I was wrong. Pacifist is the inefficient and immoral path, not violence. In an instant, I changed my entire spiritual outlook and decided violence was the correct spiritual path. So I broke the kid's arm, two ribs, fractured his skull by ramming it into a cinder block wall repeatedly, and then threw him down a flight of concrete stairs. Violent, sure. But one act of concentrated violence stopped every future act of violence. Viola, efficiency. My philosophy changed to NEVER attack first, but always reply to an attack with overwhelming and extremely disportional violence in order to stop future violence. It has served me quite well in my career and life thus far.
Had it not been for the Lord of the Flies environment fostered by public school policies, I would be a less moral and philosophical person than I am today.
...always reply to an attack with overwhelming and extremely dis[pro]portional violence in order to stop future violence.
I wasn't actually thinking of cultural misuse of homeschooling, but of several families and homeschoolees of my acquaintance for whom homeschooling has become an expression of the parents' desire to build small clones.
Ok, I have to ask...
Are you shooting for clones, Ned, or individuals who have beliefs similar to yours? One's normal (and human nature), the other's unhealthy...
Teachers aren't afforded completely self-defense either. They can indeed get in trouble if they physically restraint or fight back against a violent student.
Violent, sure. But one act of concentrated violence stopped every future act of violence. Viola, efficiency. My philosophy changed to NEVER attack first, but always reply to an attack with overwhelming and extremely disportional violence in order to stop future violence. It has served me quite well in my career and life thus far.
Not true, at least not in all instances.
My wife's a special ed teacher, and is actually certified in restraining violent/unruly kids.
And yes, she's in Texas now, but got her certification in *gasp* CALIFORNIA!