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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: cassandra and sara's daddy on July 25, 2009, 12:57:47 AM
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ever watch this circus? matterof time before they kill some folks maybe a bunch of folks
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ever watch this circus? matterof time before they kill some folks maybe a bunch of folks
Off and on for about a year. I've been amazed at the restraint the Japanese "whalers" (research scientists, whatever) have shown.
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the moon bats are a hoot. never knew that many kids had trust funds
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the moon bats are a hoot. never knew that many kids had trust funds
What do you think about the Japanese whaler's response?
I think it is very restrained compared to American thinking,
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wait till they get someone killed though we can hope it happens as the steve erwin goes glug glug. then folks should sue and sue all the high profile folks who pony up money to keep the pirate ship afloat
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The funniest thing is what babies they all are. They complain about the whalers passing close to their bow, and talk about how they have a right to defend themselves, then they actively try to disable the whalers' ships and complain more when the whalers try to stop them from doing that.
The icing on the cake was the episode last night (I think it was a repeat) where their "prop fouler" got shredded by the whalers' prop, so they tried using it again, then the whalers pulled it out of the water before the moonbats could. Their big concern was that the whalers would use it against them. . . yeah, because in the two seasons of that show, the "prop fouler" has worked so well. Retards.
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Bunch of morons. These people are even worse then idiots who follow hunters into the woods banging pots and *expletive deleted*it.
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I think it's kind of funny. The crew of the Steve Irwin engages in vandalism at sea. Isn't that illegal? And dangerous? They should be held financially responsible for any damages they cause.
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Let the French Navy handle this one, they fixed the Rainbow Warrior right up. Do-gooder morons.
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The French Navy had little to do with the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior.
She was sunk by operatives of the DGSE, with some French Naval officers having transported the explosives via yacht to NZ.
The Vega was boarded by French naval troops at one point.
I went to work for GreenPeace shortly after the bombing and found myself talking to all sorts of folks who thought and probably still think GreenPeace sunk a French naval vessel. A few even told me "they researched it" which is why I'm never surprised when the most unlikely things have a lot of believers.
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So what is the law about sinking an aggressive vessel on the high seas?
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So what is the law about sinking an aggressive vessel on the high seas?
Considering that more than once they've put people on a whaler, boarding without permission, that may be construed as piracy....
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Considering that more than once they've put people on a whaler, boarding without permission, that may be construed as piracy....
And it used to be that captured pirates could be hanged if the captain felt it was too much of a bother to bring them to the nearest port for trial, right? :police: =D
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in those waters hanging is more trouble than you need. send em swimming when they fall over by accident
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this is an orginization that on at least one of their ships, has a painted tally of 10 ships sunk! including two that were sunk by magnetic mines and one that was gutted with a limpet mine.
even Greenpeace calls them Eco-terrorists.
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I think there was another thread where someone mentioned that the ships they were harassing were actually whaling either when or where they weren't supposed to be.
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the court would disagree
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If I had a trust fund of my very own...
Think WW2 diesel sub, ala McHale's Navy. See if we can't fill some militant hippy tags along with the pirate hunting..
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If I had a trust fund of my very own...
Think WW2 diesel sub, ala McHale's Navy. See if we can't fill some militant hippy tags along with the pirate hunting..
I can haz deck gun?
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A show with no good guys, blech...
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I think an Oerlikon 20mm would solve the problem nicely, myself.
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I can haz deck gun?
It's the 40mm station for you.... :cool:
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I think there was another thread where someone mentioned that the ships they were harassing were actually whaling either when or where they weren't supposed to be.
Yup. They're only harrassing the illegal whalers who are harvesting in sovereign/territorial waters without permission.
We sometimes lose sight of that when creating duplicate threads here at APS. ;)
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the captain with the vest and badge. you see the episode where he pretended to be shot? bad theatre
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The same caliber for APS members, or soon-to-be former members of APS who condone shooting people for something other than legitimate, self-defense motives?
(IOW, think twice, post once. The staff will thank you, as will the owner of the forum...)
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Yup. They're only harrassing the illegal whalers who are harvesting in sovereign/territorial waters without permission.
We sometimes lose sight of that when creating duplicate threads here at APS. ;)
who declared those waters sovreign?
History
Establishment of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary was agreed upon by the IWC in 1994 with 23 countries supporting the agreement and only Japan opposing it.
The status of the Southern Ocean Sanctuary is reviewed and open to change by the IWC every 10 years.[1] During the 2004 meeting a proposal was made by Japan to remove the sanctuary, but it failed to reach the 75% majority required (it received 25 votes in favour and 30 votes against with two abstentions).
As sanctuaries only apply to commercial whaling, Japan has continued to hunt whales inside the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary because its whaling is done in accordance with a provision in the IWC charter permitting whaling for the purposes of scientific research (Japan also lodged a formal objection to the sanctuary with regard to minke whales, meaning that, in accordance with IWC rules, the terms of the sanctuary do not apply to Japan with respect to minkes).[2] The catch of the 2005 season (Dec 05-Mar 06) inside the sanctuary included 856 minke whales and ten of the endangered Fin whale. In 2007 - 2008 Japan planned to take 935 minke whales and 50 fin whales. those waters sovereign?History
Establishment of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary was agreed upon by the IWC in 1994 with 23 countries supporting the agreement and only Japan opposing it.
The status of the Southern Ocean Sanctuary is reviewed and open to change by the IWC every 10 years.[1] During the 2004 meeting a proposal was made by Japan to remove the sanctuary, but it failed to reach the 75% majority required (it received 25 votes in favour and 30 votes against with two abstentions).
As sanctuaries only apply to commercial whaling, Japan has continued to hunt whales inside the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary because its whaling is done in accordance with a provision in the IWC charter permitting whaling for the purposes of scientific research (Japan also lodged a formal objection to the sanctuary with regard to minke whales, meaning that, in accordance with IWC rules, the terms of the sanctuary do not apply to Japan with respect to minkes).[2] The catch of the 2005 season (Dec 05-Mar 06) inside the sanctuary included 856 minke whales and ten of the endangered Fin whale. In 2007 - 2008 Japan planned to take 935 minke whales and 50 fin whales.History
Establishment of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary was agreed upon by the IWC in 1994 with 23 countries supporting the agreement and only Japan opposing it.
The status of the Southern Ocean Sanctuary is reviewed and open to change by the IWC every 10 years.[1] During the 2004 meeting a proposal was made by Japan to remove the sanctuary, but it failed to reach the 75% majority required (it received 25 votes in favour and 30 votes against with two abstentions).
As sanctuaries only apply to commercial whaling, Japan has continued to hunt whales inside the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary because its whaling is done in accordance with a provision in the IWC charter permitting whaling for the purposes of scientific research (Japan also lodged a formal objection to the sanctuary with regard to minke whales, meaning that, in accordance with IWC rules, the terms of the sanctuary do not apply to Japan with respect to minkes).[2] The catch of the 2005 season (Dec 05-Mar 06) inside the sanctuary included 856 minke whales and ten of the endangered Fin whale. In 2007 - 2008 Japan planned to take 935 minke whales and 50 fin whales.
Dispute over legality
Japan has argued that the establishment of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary was in contravention of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) on which the IWC is based and is therefore illegal, and several prominent legal experts have agreed. While there is no settlement procedure in the IWC for this type of dispute, Japan has asked the IWC to submit its case to a relevant legal body for analysis, which the IWC has refused to do.[3]
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http://greennature.com/article178.html
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so basically japanese 'scientist' are killing whales in a sancuaray and getting away with it due to loopholes, so the 'envornmentalist' are acting like jerks and trying to activly sabotoage the japanese boats in a manner thats gonna get someone killed. =|
which results in the 'envornmentalist' losing respectiabilty, which loses them credibility, which means no one is gonna take them seriously, which means their not actually gonna acomplish the goal of getting enough of the right pressure to shut down the japanese 'scientist' who come off looking like decent folks just doing their jobs. :rolleyes: stupidity, thy name is 'envornamental activist'.
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so far the iwc won't take it before a court. and Australia is stretching it to claim those water those waters
as far as i know no legal body has supported the folks rejected from greenpeace for being too extreme
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i get that.
the thing that makes it so darn stupid is that they might actually get public support for their mission to save the whales IF they wern't acting like idiots with destructive actions.
in fact thats the whole thing about the majority animal and envornmental activist that bugs the crap out of me. a lot of things they fight for i actually do agree with, BUT they take it beyond actually doing a good thing and ruin it, by getting all irrational about it. and becuase of that, the good ideas go right under the railroad with the crazy.
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So lets see mother ship puts up net to stop poo from being flung.
People riding around in ribs in the arctic ocean trying to fling poo.
Why not just droop poo via chopper?
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Maybe they need to start going after cruise ships.
A cruise ship returned to port with a rare whale pinned to its bow.
http://content.usatoday.com/travel/cruises/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=68495391.blog&poe=HFMostPopular (http://content.usatoday.com/travel/cruises/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=68495391.blog&poe=HFMostPopular)
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in fact thats the whole thing about the majority animal and envornmental activist that bugs the crap out of me. a lot of things they fight for i actually do agree with, BUT they take it beyond actually doing a good thing and ruin it, by getting all irrational about it. and becuase of that, the good ideas go right under the railroad with the crazy.
I'm right with you there.
Their movements go from something I can get behind, such as stopping the unnecessary torture and killing of animals to setting animals free that have no chance of survival in the wild to destroying property and threatening human lives.
The tangent of theirs that really gets me is the belief that we shouldn’t have pets.
Oh yeah? They want the cats, donkeys, snakes, rats, mice, guinea pigs and dog that I've personally rescued?
Molon Labe! >:D
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The same caliber for APS members, or soon-to-be former members of APS who condone shooting people for something other than legitimate, self-defense motives?
Considering the actions of this group, I think that some legitimate, self-defense motives do apply....like armed escorts....not hunter/killer teams....
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so far it seems that there is much restraint. i know those hoses can be turned up. the lrads are an escalation but i'd have been bear spraying or some pepperballs from a paintball gun
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The tangent of theirs that really gets me is the belief that we shouldn’t have pets.
do not get me started! nevermind the fact that most those animals would be long extinct becuase they NEED humans to survive, that they exsist becuase of humans. they are DOMESTICATED!!!!
i mean really, would there be cows is not for hamburgers or would people have horses anymore if not for the sport rider!
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i mean really, would there be cows is not for hamburgers or would people have horses anymore if not for the sport rider!
That's true. The original wild animals from which cattle and horses were domesticated have been hunted to extinction. Mustangs only exist because they are protected; burros and longhorns because they live in terrain where people don't.
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That's true. The original wild animals from which cattle and horses were domesticated have been hunted to extinction. Mustangs only exist because they are protected; burros and longhorns because they live in terrain where people don't.
there are very few wild horses in the world (and i dont' quite count mustangs or any of the other wild herds in america, as they are decendents of domesitcated horses brought to america by the conquestadors) and the few that do exist would be gone without protective mesures.
also, when it comes to dogs, they are not even close to their wild conterparts anymore. many breeds can not survive without human help (like the modern american and english bullsdogs that can not breed naturally for the most part) they have been domesticated for so long that they can only exist with humans. yes, dogs go ferel and their are wild dogs, but they usually cause more trouble then the domesticated ones. furthermore, we HAVE lost breeds already and without concentrated effort of breeders we would have lost a lot more over the years. the borzi, the bull mastif and the Lowchen would be gone if not for the breeders that animal rights activist villify at every turn. other breeds have been recreated or saved only by trying to recreate the original mix.
AND all of them would not be in this world if not for being PETS.