Post by: El Tejon on December 15, 2005, 02:46:07 AM
TIA.
Post by: The Rabbi on December 15, 2005, 04:26:50 AM
Didnt work, as I remember.
Post by: mhdishere on December 15, 2005, 04:28:46 AM
Then there's Jesus' parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector, where the Pharisee thanks God that he's not like other sinners and tax collectors but he tithes, prays, etc while the tax collector wouldn't even lift his eyes to Heaven but prayed that God would have mercy on him. Jesus said that the tax collector was justified, rather than the Pharisee.
If I think of any others I'll post.
Post by: mtnbkr on December 15, 2005, 04:38:53 AM
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Then there's Jesus' parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector, where the Pharisee thanks God that he's not like other sinners and tax collectors but he tithes, prays, etc while the tax collector wouldn't even lift his eyes to Heaven but prayed that God would have mercy on him. Jesus said that the tax collector was justified, rather than the Pharisee.
I recall that parable. The Preacher at my wife's family's church used that in a sermon. It had quite a profound effect on me.Chris
Post by: El Tejon on December 15, 2005, 07:27:06 AM
Was Eve really innocent?
I'm looking for an instant where the person blamed was totally innocent and was merely blamed for standing there.
Say, someone (Person A) commits an attempted murder and robbery unbeknowst to Person B who was with the robber. Call it "guilt by proximity."
Anything like this in The Bible where Person A, the perp, blames Person B, who was just standing there. Person A realizes he is in big, big trouble and is going to the Indiana, er, Judea Department of Correction for a long, long time unless he deflects his guilty, even partly, onto someone else.
Post by: The Rabbi on December 15, 2005, 09:03:36 AM
Post by: El Tejon on December 15, 2005, 11:18:14 AM
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on December 15, 2005, 12:17:38 PM
You can check that, El T, but Rabbi, please correct me if I'm mistaken.
blueletterbible.org is a good place to find it online.
Post by: grampster on December 15, 2005, 02:38:19 PM
Oops, never mind. I just went back and read El T's original post. I'm off base, sorry.
Post by: Guest on December 15, 2005, 02:45:15 PM
Post by: Guest on December 15, 2005, 02:49:38 PM
Post by: grampster on December 15, 2005, 04:49:56 PM
Once the blessing is given, it can not be recalled, so Esau was cheated and Isaac was a victim of fraud.
Post by: Bemidjiblade on December 15, 2005, 05:29:55 PM
A case was brought before Solomon, David's son.
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1 Kings 3:16-28 (ESV) Then two prostitutes came to the king and stood before him. [17] The one woman said, "Oh, my lord, this woman and I live in the same house, and I gave birth to a child while she was in the house. [18] Then on the third day after I gave birth, this woman also gave birth. And we were alone. There was no one else with us in the house; only we two were in the house. [19] And this woman's son died in the night, because she lay on him. [20] And she arose at midnight and took my son from beside me, while your servant slept, and laid him at her breast, and laid her dead son at my breast. [21] When I rose in the morning to nurse my child, behold, he was dead. But when I looked at him closely in the morning, behold, he was not the child that I had borne." [22] But the other woman said, "No, the living child is mine, and the dead child is yours." The first said, "No, the dead child is yours, and the living child is mine." Thus they spoke before the king.
[23] Then the king said, "The one says, 'This is my son that is alive, and your son is dead'; and the other says, 'No; but your son is dead, and my son is the living one.' " [24] And the king said, "Bring me a sword." So a sword was brought before the king. [25] And the king said, "Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one and half to the other." [26] Then the woman whose son was alive said to the king, because her heart yearned for her son, "Oh, my lord, give her the living child, and by no means put him to death." But the other said, "He shall be neither mine nor yours; divide him." [27] Then the king answered and said, "Give the living child to the first woman, and by no means put him to death; she is his mother." [28] And all Israel heard of the judgment that the king had rendered, and they stood in awe of the king, because they perceived that the wisdom of God was in him to do justice.
Guess it doesn't get much worse of a sin, or much worse of a blame game than that eh?
[23] Then the king said, "The one says, 'This is my son that is alive, and your son is dead'; and the other says, 'No; but your son is dead, and my son is the living one.' " [24] And the king said, "Bring me a sword." So a sword was brought before the king. [25] And the king said, "Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one and half to the other." [26] Then the woman whose son was alive said to the king, because her heart yearned for her son, "Oh, my lord, give her the living child, and by no means put him to death." But the other said, "He shall be neither mine nor yours; divide him." [27] Then the king answered and said, "Give the living child to the first woman, and by no means put him to death; she is his mother." [28] And all Israel heard of the judgment that the king had rendered, and they stood in awe of the king, because they perceived that the wisdom of God was in him to do justice.
Post by: Strings on December 15, 2005, 06:33:06 PM
Reminds me of a sunday scholl class when I was much younger. The teacher told us the "Children's version" of the story of Adam and Eve. The she asked us what we learned from it. Me, being the literal minded lil' heathen, responded "never accept an apple from a naked lady!". And I never have...
Sorry for the hyjack...
Post by: client32 on December 16, 2005, 08:56:17 AM
Look at Joseph.
Post by: El Tejon on December 17, 2005, 02:33:22 AM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 17, 2005, 01:26:54 PM
Post by: The Rabbi on December 17, 2005, 02:45:22 PM
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Is there any reference in The Bible to an incident where a person did a great crime but then later attempted to deflect blame by claiming that an another innocent person was involved as well???
TIA.
In thinking back, Barbara is right to raise Yoseph and Potifar's wife. She tried to seduce him and when he refused she screamed he tried to rape her (the first time this little tactic was recorded but unfortunately not the last it was used). He was thrown in the clink as a result.
TIA.
Post by: El Tejon on December 18, 2005, 03:35:15 AM
Post by: El Tejon on December 18, 2005, 05:16:29 AM
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on December 18, 2005, 05:25:21 AM
Post by: El Tejon on December 18, 2005, 06:05:01 AM
Now if I could just turn the pages to look it up without all the burning and hurting.
Post by: Guest on December 18, 2005, 06:53:06 AM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 18, 2005, 10:09:57 AM
The Ark has the power to melt Nazi thugs.
The New Testament has the power to compel you.
The Old Testament.....?
I think if you are getting painful burning from handling the books of Israel you might just have an ink allergy.