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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: PTK on August 12, 2009, 09:42:25 PM
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It's a long shot, but...
(insert sheepish grin here)
So, are there any lawyers here in Colorado who would be willing to work on the cheap for me on a weapons-related charge? I can provide all details, provided you're a lawyer and we're having a consult.
I'm not about to post details on the internet. :)
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According to my old pal Jim, gone these many years, "You don't always get what you pay for, but you never get what you don't pay for."
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Aww, don't leave us hanging like that. Spill your guts!
=D
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cheaper than the court appointed lawyer?
my advice from a family of Colorado lawyers - ( none of them do criminal AFAIK, so take it with grain of salt)
spend the money, get someone who knows wtf their doing, or use your court appointed.
the lower rung of lawyers are in most cases no better than the "free" public defender.
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Aww, don't leave us hanging like that. Spill your guts!
=D
I'd prefer that he not. 5th amendment and all. One of our resident attorneys has already posted about how they routinely supeona all parties for their internet user names and do a due diligence internet search on that.
PTK, contact the NRA. They might be able to hook you up.
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The issue is that where the incident occurred, if I am found guilty I can no longer own or carry firearms - even as a misdemeanor.
I've not got the money for a top-shelf lawyer, and the public defenders plea-bargain like crazy - which may result in no jail time or heavy fines, but would result in the loss of my rights.
Hence why I'm sort of hoping I could have a nice lawyer pointed out that might work pro-bono. =)
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The issue is that where the incident occurred, if I am found guilty I can no longer own or carry firearms - even as a misdemeanor.
I've not got the money for a top-shelf lawyer, and the public defenders plea-bargain like crazy - which may result in no jail time or heavy fines, but would result in the loss of my rights.
Hence why I'm sort of hoping I could have a nice lawyer pointed out that might work pro-bono. =)
Call
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PTK, give me a day. The Pueblo County Bar Association are pretty good customers of mine.
Meanwhile, look up Joe Losavio out of Pueblo. If he's still working, he LOVES high profile cases.
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I'd prefer that he not. 5th amendment and all. One of our resident attorneys has already posted about how they routinely supeona all parties for their internet user names and do a due diligence internet search on that.
Wow. That's crazy. I'd never heard about that. Better hope that someone else doesn't use the same user name as you. :O
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Not a member. =)
PTK, give me a day. The Pueblo County Bar Association are pretty good customers of mine.
Meanwhile, look up Joe Losavio out of Pueblo. If he's still working, he LOVES high profile cases.
You're fantastic - I'll give him a call in the AM.
EDIT: If I can find his number... it looks like he may no longer be in practice, either.
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Which county?
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Not a member. smiley
As far as I understand, don't they also help non-members?
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Dood really? Because the NRA doesn't want good publicity for saving your ass? It won't hurt to try.
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One of our resident attorneys has already posted about how they routinely supeona all parties for their internet user names and do a due diligence internet search on that
In a criminal case, why couldn't the defendent just exercise his right to remain silent?
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Which county?
Arapahoe.
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Any other ideas, folks? =)
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Any other ideas, folks? =)
Get a lawyer through Lawyer Referral - usually somewhere between $0 & $25 for a 30-60 minute consultation.
Talk to a lawyer about payment plans - usually means representing you up to Point X, then stopping till you get more $$ escrowed, lather/rinse/repeat.
Borrow the money. What are your prospects for repaying over the next 12 months (presuming you are not incarcerated)? I'm no sugardady but - depending on the circumstances - might see my way to lending a brother a moderate amount at zero interest. (especially if the former former girl friend pays me back the amount she says she will be doing - I consider that "found money". :O)
Sell plasma. Get a gig as a gigilo. Stand on streetcorners with a cardboard sign.
If you qualify for Legal Aid tell them you do not want to plea-bargain the case & see what they say.
How much more time do you have before trial? (I'm guessing arraignment has been completed, yes?)
stay safe.
skidmark
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Haven't gone to an arraignment yet - I want to get time with a lawyer before then. I've never been to court on anything even close to charges like these. I have a month before the summons date.
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Any other ideas, folks? I'd like to have everything in order in the next two weeks or so. =)
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Any other ideas, folks? I'd like to have everything in order in the next two weeks or so. =)
That's the first time I've been turned down in semi-public for an interest-free loan.
I'm not Daddy Warbucks, and I think my hide is relatively thick, but being labled the guy with a hatful of doofus ideas as well as rejecting an offer of cash makes me wonder if there is something to what happened.
Anybody got comments/observations/suggestions for me?
stay safe.
skidmark
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Maybe he doesn't trust you?
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Based on what I know of this matter, PTK deserves our help. His "offense" is primarily in the minds of certain police officers but they are trying to ruin his life anyway.
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That's the first time I've been turned down in semi-public for an interest-free loan.
I'm not Daddy Warbucks, and I think my hide is relatively thick, but being labled the guy with a hatful of doofus ideas as well as rejecting an offer of cash makes me wonder if there is something to what happened.
Anybody got comments/observations/suggestions for me?
stay safe.
skidmark
As far as rejecting the offer of cash, no offense, but I would've done the same thing.
I've been financially destitute and probably could've used some assistance.
However, the only things I'd accept were advice and information.
Part of my being self-reliant, independent, and used to doing everything for myself, by myself.
My great-grandmother taught me, "You got yourself into this mess. You can get yourself out."
I apply that to all "messes" that I find myself in, whether generated by myself or others.
However, I would've thanked you for your generous offer. =)
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Maybe he doesn't trust you?
But I don't even own a baseball bat, and there is no way anybody would associate me with Sicillian ancestry. =D
stay safe.
skidmark
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Based on what I know of this matter, PTK deserves our help. His "offense" is primarily in the minds of certain police officers but they are trying to ruin his life anyway.
I wish there was something I could do...I guess praying will have to suffice:)
~Norinco
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Is there a "PTK legal defense fund" set up somewhere? If someone I knew as trustworthy *cough*Oleg*cough* was running it I'd contribute.
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My ability to keep track of other people's money is pretty poor. PTK is a good guy in my book, so I would like to help him -- I am just not well suited for the role of the treasurer.
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Fair enough. You were just the first person that came to mind. :)
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vaskidmark - Actually, I think I'm the doofus here - I didn't even comprehend that you had offered to loan me money for this issue.
If all else fails, if I cannot raise money for this on my own, I will consider that. Thank you, very much. =)
In regards to a legal defense fund, I suppose not all of you hate me, then. :lol:
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No, it's not that we do not hate you. We just figure that a contribution to your legal defense fund would be cheaper than buying tickets to the trial.
The only problem I can see with a legal defense fund is you need to have a lawyer who can be paid the money collected. The whole thing is someone sits on the nest egg till a bill comes due, then pays it directly on your behalf.
I've done a few for a friend in the Tidewater area who seems to attract the attention of one city's cops for open carrying. All wins so far, and he has bought a new gun and some very nice leather with the settlement proceeds. We are looking forward to his next arrest because he has promised us rides in the new car that city will be buying him. The best part is setting them up through PayPal - I love the irony involved.
Go get a lawyer already. It will help get your head back into the daylight.
stay safe.
skidmark
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I'm actively seeking recommendations on lawyers, both from here and from friends in person. I've got a few numbers to call tomorrow, and hopefully will be hearing back from other friends about ideas on Thursday. =)
Once that's done, if any of you folks are serious about a defense fund... we'll need to figure a way to set one up. I've not exactly got piles of money around. ;)
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Jesus Christ, man, who put a curse on you?
You've had some of the worst luck (short of kicking the bucket) of anyone I've known.
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It's like Dennis Leary says: Life sucks and then you get cancer, then you go into remission after a long, costly, painful struggle, then you get hit by a bus, then you die. =D
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Jesus Christ, man, who put a curse on you?
You've had some of the worst luck (short of kicking the bucket) of anyone I've known.
I am wondering if the current issue was triggered by the previous one.
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Nope. Please, no more speculation - I'm not going into detail until after the case is settled (hopefully in my favor)
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Okay, I believe I've found a lawyer. The firm I'm going to be meeting with in a few days is experienced with this sort of matter.
I'm nervous. I've only talked to lawyers about things such as divorce and trust law. Any insight, advice, words of wisdom? I know well enough to give no real details unless/until I retain the firm.
If this is indeed the best place to go with (they're the only place within 50 miles that has gone to trial with this sort of case that is also open for new clients), I will probably be needing a hand with paying. I've started gathering resources already, but I don't know how much this firm will be to retain.
Again, I'm nervous. =|
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$1.00 placed in the lawyer's hand makes you a paying client. Explain to him/her/it you are nervous, scared, and worried about saying anything that could be used against you by the prosecutor, so want to start off with establishing lawyer/client confidentiality. Then explain that you intend to pay whatever fee is negotiated between you and the firm, on the schedule negotiated. (Notice the two hints contained therein?)
Yes, some lawyers will tell you that the free consultation carries lawyer/client confidentialty. I have seen one case where an asshat judge demanded proof of the relationship and the lawyer was left stuttering that he had told the guy the privilege existed. Judge said no receipt for fee paid means no relationship per the Canon of Ethics/state procedural rules/judge's feelings. Lawyer had to decide between criminal contempt citation and being a witness against the guy he thought was a client. Yes, it's one incident and not proof positive all situations could/would end up like that. Why take chances?
Remember the offer I made? After you talk with the lawyers PM me with your $$ needs. I'll let you know how much of that I can cover and maybe discuss setting up a legal defense fund to try to knock down some of the balance. (Anybody got an idea of how much I should try to get for the Sugar Momma? I'm thinking a FTF sale at the Occoquan Marina ought to get a few $$ for PTK. :angel:)
stay safe.
skidmark
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Remember the offer I made? After you talk with the lawyers PM me with your $$ needs.
As long as you're not Bricktop, that may work... :laugh:
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As long as you're not Bricktop, that may work... :laugh:
I take it you meant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HAQ3pNHwj4 and not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_%22Bricktop%22_Smith .
Just checking, cause lately I do not get out that much. =D
stay safe.
skidmark
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Yes, the former Bricktop. =D
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Would it bother you to know that some folks make that reference, but note that in comparison to me the fictional character is "way too nice"? :angel:
Not to worry - first we get you out of this mess, then you will have the ability to devote your full attention to wondering how you are going to repay your friends. It's all about focusing and remembering the only way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time.
stay safe.
skidmark
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Would it bother you to know that some folks make that reference, but note that in comparison to me the fictional character is "way too nice"? :angel:
I reeaaaaally hope you're kidding. :O
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I reeaaaaally hope you're kidding. :O
Yes, we are kidding. Really. Trust us...
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As someone who has dealt with less savory individuals previously, that scares me more than jail time. :|
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As someone who has dealt with less savory individuals previously, that scares me more than jail time. :|
Are you planning on doing something to irritate me? If not, you have no worries.
FYI, I get irritated by stupidity, refusal to accept consequences, having my toys broken, or screwing with my Constitution. Everything else is either mild amusement or not worthy of notice. Oh! About the portable drill - I just happened to be holding it. I'm not responsible for every kneecap, am I? :angel:
stay safe.
skidmark
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I'd not worry overly PTK, everyone's Billy Badass on teh intartubes.
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I'd not worry overly PTK, everyone's Billy Badass on teh intartubes.
Heh, very true. On the other hand... This is an Armed Polite society. One doesn't need to be Billy Badass when one has sufficient firepower. Never underestimate folks that are both exceedingly well armed and very courteous. ;)
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I'd not worry overly PTK, everyone's Billy Badass on teh intartubes.
Noted for truth.
Keyboard Kommandos, I call them...
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I merely meant that people who solve problems by making people disappear are unlikely to brag about it online. I took va's remark as a joke, and I was trying to convey that to PTK.
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I merely meant that people who solve problems by making people disappear are unlikely to brag about it online. I took va's remark as a joke, and I was trying to convey that to PTK.
Thank you.
Of course it was meant as a joke. You carry a portable drill around and everybody gets all shook up. Sheesh! :rolleyes:
PTK - I hope you are keeping a count of the number of folks who are on your side (including me). Some days it helps to know the number is a big one - especially when many of those being numbered do not know you personally.
stay safe. srsly - stay safe.
skidmark
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Discussion (briefly) over the telephone with the lawyer:
"Criminal history?" None.
"Prior incidents with police in that area?" None.
"I'll get you a deferred judgment. Stop worrying - no jail time, no ticket, and we'll get your property back."
From what I understand; a guilty plea is entered with conditions that if I commit no crimes in X period of time, the record is removed, property is returned, and the guilty plea and entire criminal case history are withdrawn. =)
I'll be talking to the lawyer in person on Wednesday and retaining his services at that time. I feel better.
Now all I need to worry about is how much he'll cost me. =D
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You need to triple-check on how that is going to effect your RKBA. If you plead guilty, enter an Alford plea, or plead no contest you could be giving up your RKBA as they seem to look at the longest sentence you could have received, rather than what you actually got. (All based on your earlier statements that RKBA is at issue.)
There are some judges (admittedly here in Virginia - I know no judges in Colorado) that accept not guilty or no plea entered (defendant stands mute - court declines to enter a plea on behalf of the defendant) in a deferred judgement situation. Same conditions of "good behavior" for X months and then return to court to review and enter final judgement. Also with deferred judgement I suggest that you not accept anything that even remotely smells of "community service" or "writing an essay" as that can come back to bite you as an admission of guilt.
I'm still a bit hazy on this, as I keep hearing/reading conflicting and contradictory stuff about it. As such, the warning.
Now, if I recall an earlier post I suggested you negotiate fee and payment with the tile crawler as soon as possible. It seems your predicament is fairly common in this attorney's practice and that he has handled similar cases before. This is correct, no? If so, then his fee ought to be proportionally less than if he had to do a lot of legwork and perusing the lawbooks for a way to get you off the hook.
You can either negotiate the fee with him (ethical and commonly done) or you can shop another lawyer for comparison pricing (perhaps not ethical). Either way, I am encouraging you to be in his office ASAP to get the fee settled and your retainer in his escrow account. IIRC you have a few weeks to get his fee to him.
stay safe.
skidmark
** edited to add para #2.
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I specifically asked him about that - my rights WILL NOT be harmed. This is a fairly common case, unfortunately - the city doesn't follow their own rules to the letter. =(
I have until the 15th, when my summons to court is. I'll be going in this Wednesday at 4:15pm to hand the lawyer at least a small amount to officially be a client, along with negotiating the rest of the fees.
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So if the city is not following its own rules, can you sue them after you get off?
stay safe.
skidmark
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Going to discuss that with the lawyer on Wednesday. Also, I saw your PM. I'll get back to you Wed night/Thurs. =)
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Well update us when you find out. We're all pulling for ya!
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If any of you are interested, I'm already posting a few things to sell to pay for all this. You can see my THR thread here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=470901). =)
I'll be adding more rifles and a few pistols over the next day or three.
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Okay, folks. For those that felt like contributing to this effort, vaskidmark will be setting up a legal defense fund for me. He's very kindly loaning me money to retain the lawyer, but expenses past that (trial, etc) might well come up. =)
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Okay, folks. For those that felt like contributing to this effort, vaskidmark will be setting up a legal defense fund for me. He's very kindly loaning me money to retain the lawyer, but expenses past that (trial, etc) might well come up. =)
I'll be dropping by the bank tomorrow to set up a short-term savings account - probably my legal name DBA The PTK Legal Defense Fund. As much as everybody hates PayPal for their anti-gun politics, I use them for stuff like this because I still have a PayPal account and it is a secure method of transferring funds. The only request is that you do NOT make contributions via your credit/debit card, as after 3 per 30 days they rip off a percentage.
Anybody that refuses to use PayPal please PM me for name/address to send a check or MO to. I do not mind going to the bank to deposit same, as I get to Open Carry into Wachovia (Wells Fargo has told them where to stick their previous policy and besides the manager at my local branch likes that I come in every now and then - makes the sketchy-looking folks be sure to behave nicely =D).
Probably after Noon EDT 8/28 I'll post the official account info.
Everybody that makes a contribution gets an official PM acknowlegement of the exact amount received and the date it was deposited/transferred into the account.
I'm going to start a new thread for the fund, with a link back to this thread for info. When I do I'll be asking the mods to consider stickying it for the duration. Once I do that & get it stickied I'll also post a running balance after every contribution. Anybody who knows how to insert one of those thermometer thingies please contact me with info/details.
stay safe.
skidmark
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Anybody who knows how to insert one of those thermometer thingies please contact me with info/details.
stay safe.
skidmark
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Thank you, Balog.
I presume you will be appearing through the wekend?
By the way, how's the veal?
stay safe.
skidmark
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Don't forget to tip your waitresses.
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Don't forget to tip your waitresses.
"Honey, don't eat yellow snow..."
(Not the most well-received tip I've ever left, but there it is.)
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Well, thanks to vaskidmark's generous loan I've paid the lawyer the $1,000 retainer. We're on for the 15th at the courthouse where I will be entering a plea (not guilty, of course!) and going from there. Depending on exactly what happens, we may or may not go to trial (the prosecutor may well look at me, look at the law, and choose to withdraw the charges and return my property).
I've gone from nervous to somewhat excited at how this will turn out. There's very little chance indeed of any jail time, nigh zero. As for a ticket or fine, that's also very distant of a chance. I'm curious to see how this all plays out, now. =)
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Good luck, PTK. Please update us after the drama is complete and there is no possible jeopardy to your situation.
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My trial is on the 16th of October at 9AM. My lawyer is confident. =)
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My trial is on the 16th of October at 9AM. My lawyer is confident. =)
Good to hear =).
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crossing those body parts that do not hurt to be crossed.
post the outcome as soon as you can.
we want details and pictures if you are aquitted.
stay safe.
skidmark
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I'm figuring it is quarter after 5 PM out in Colorado. I checked my phones for voicemail, and my ISP for emails. Nothing from PTK asking for bail money.
So where is the report from him?
What happened? Did he get aquitted? Or was the proverbial book thrown at him? Is he buried so far under the jail it will take a week for sunshine to reach him, or is he out celebrating with his now-dulcet-voiced sweetie instead of providing us with the ugly details?
stay safe.
skidmark
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Either way i think we needed to get heavily armed and go bust him out !!!
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Sorry, I slept all of 30 minutes last night due to pain issues and then fell asleep VERY quickly after court - and then I was kept quite busy by my SO after that.
Long story short - I got hit hard in court, no jail time, no RKBA issues on my record, but serious fines, community service and what amounts to an official bribe - a mandatory "donation" to the city of Aurora. :mad:
The judge was black. The prosecutor was black. On seeing the prosecutor (first case of the day), the judge literally leaned over the bench, put his hand out, grinned at the prosecutor, and said, AND I QUOTE: "what's up, homie?"
The prosecutor told me and my lawyer, in so many words, "Here's the deal we're offering. You can take that, or you can plead guilty, or we can go to a full trial - but that jury will be six black men that would love to see your white ass in jail."
When I protested (no law had been broken, I was ALLEGED to have broken the law, etc.) the prosecutor grinned real big and told me it didn't matter - three police officers would be more than happy to tell the judge and jury that I was a liar. =(
The deal was a POS (guilty plea to disturbing the peace, 30 hours of community service, $500 fine, $100 "donation" to the city), but better than jail time. My lawyer told me, TAKE IT. So... I did. I'm done with court, but damn. I've lost faith in the system... and what I did, it was carrying a knife in a shitty town in Colorado. Not against state law, not against local law, but the police wanted to nail at least one of us for something, ANYTHING, because one of the people I was with was open carrying and the cops there hate it.
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Try driving through Colorado with Texas plates.
Brad
(Hate that it happened, but glad you're still a free man and didn't take a 2A hit).
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The judge was black. The prosecutor was black. On seeing the prosecutor (first case of the day), the judge literally leaned over the bench, put his hand out, grinned at the prosecutor, and said, AND I QUOTE: "what's up, homie?"
The prosecutor told me and my lawyer, in so many words, "Here's the deal we're offering. You can take that, or you can plead guilty, or we can go to a full trial - but that jury will be six black men that would love to see your white ass in jail."
:mad:
Pretty crappy man. I'm glad you're not doing time and didn't take a hit to your rights over it though.
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I'm done with court, but damn. I've lost faith in the system... and what I did, it was carrying a knife in a shitty town in Colorado. Not against state law, not against local law, but the police wanted to nail at least one of us for something, ANYTHING, because one of the people I was with was open carrying and the cops there hate it.
I recommend you do what I did when I learned the local police and legal system were overly crooked. Move immediately. It sucks, it's a headache and it's expensive. And infinitely cheaper than your next run in with the system. Next time they will actually throw the book at you and not let you skate with a cheap $600 bribe with some involuntary service. If you didn't get the message already, you bloody well should. "Don't annoy your betters. Either STFU or stay out of my town." You ignore the message, they will take it personal.
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Just for closure - were any of the other folks you were with arrested? I'm especially curious about the one who was open carrying.
It sucks when you know you are innocent but have to take that big bite out of the sandwich they are holding out to you. It sucks even worse when you know that all the rules are being violated. But it sucks even worse if you take your chances at trial and lose.
stay safe.
skidmark
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Ahh, this says so much. We used to cut through Aurora on the way to the ranch in Elizabeth. Now we go around, through Castle Rock.
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No, no one else was arrested. I was just informed by my lawyer that the "illegal weapon" in question, a knife made by DL Knives and heat treated by Paul Bos has "disappeared". It can't be destroyed, it's been "lost" - just in time, too, since there won't be a trial. How nice. :mad:
just for closure - were any of the other folks you were with arrested? I'm especially curious about the one who was open carrying.
None. I wasn't even arrested, just issued a summons - I'm the ONLY one they decided to do anything with. Not so coincidentally, I'm also the whitest. =(
I recommend you do what I did when I learned the local police and legal system were overly crooked. Move immediately.
We leave Monday to look at apartments elsewhere. SCREW. THIS. PLACE.
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Wow, and here I was thinking Colorado might be a nice place to live someday. Wtf town was this anyway? Pm if you don't wanna say in the open.
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Good idea to move. If you had gone to court and won, the police chief just might have made a project out of you. Then you would never of had peace.
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Balog,
Aurora, Colorado.
scanr,
My thinking exactly. I'm sure I'm already on so many unofficial officials' *expletive deleted*it lists...
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Few things I hate worse than corruption and abuse of power.
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Well, I guess it could have gone a lot worse. That is BS though, what law were they saying you violated?
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Few things I hate worse than corruption and abuse of power.
Tarring and feathering is the traditional way to cure those tendencies, right?
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That is BS though, what law were they saying you violated?
Carrying an illegal weapon. Not only do I have a permit, the item in question was within legal limits, not concealed, etc. IT WAS A KNIFE.
They couldn't swing things or gray things up to nail any of us for guns, so they nailed just me for a knife. In Colorado, if you're carrying a knife, if it's established that it is a weapon, it's illegal. If it's over 3.5" in blade length, then it's legal for hunting/sporting/camping use, or culinary use. Legal to carry, but not concealed.
My lawyer, after looking at the law, how it was carried, etc., was very confident that not only would I get my property back, but that I wouldn't be fined or anything. Unfortunately, all three police at the scene decided to lie (or, if you'd like to go the official route, I'm lying, my SO is lying, the videotape is wrong, the shop owner is wrong, and the other groups of people in the shop who were eating are also wrong) and say that it was carried concealed, that I stated repeatedly that it was intended to be used as an offensive weapon (mind you, not defensive, OFFENSIVE), and that I seemed "eager for violence".
I was eating a sandwich. In a subshop. With friends. SITTING DOWN EATING.
"Eager for violence"? I walk with a cane due to multiple ankle injuries and problems with severe pain due to nerve damage and arthritis.
"Eager for violence"? :mad:
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I'd say a call to the state Attorney General is in order.
Brad
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I guarantee you that it doesn't matter - the way it's prosecuted is that if the PROSECUTOR and WITNESSES establish that it's a weapon, it's illegal. Period.
At this point, I'd rather not stir the pot and think I should just get the hell out of here.
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I'd say a call to the state Attorney General is in order.
Brad
We are talking liberal Co. If he does that, I would do it from Wyoming. If a person is willing to put up with the abuse... Unless the AG doesn't like the DA, I don't see anything coming from it. The DA will tell the AG that PTK plead guilty and that will end it. Obviously, he was guilty, otherwise he would not have pleaded.
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I wonder how difficult a malicious prosecution suit is to file. If video, witnesses etc all agree...
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Such BS that you had to deal with this. :mad: Especially the bit about the jury. That crap really depresses me.
Like others have said, it's good to hear you got off without a hit to your rights. I am thinking that this is the most important point out of this whole thing, you can still buy guns! Sorry again that you had to go through all this stress though.
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We are talking liberal Co. If he does that, I would do it from Wyoming. If a person is willing to put up with the abuse... Unless the AG doesn't like the DA, I don't see anything coming from it. The DA will tell the AG that PTK plead guilty and that will end it. Obviously, he was guilty, otherwise he would not have pleaded.
Unfortunately that is completely true.
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Wow, and here I was thinking Colorado might be a nice place to live someday. Wtf town was this anyway? Pm if you don't wanna say in the open.
Aurora, Colorado is a sh**hole suburb of Denver.