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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on September 01, 2009, 05:22:16 PM
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Obama will be addressing the nation's school children on 9/8/09.
Syllabus for teachers is here:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama%E2%80%99s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009
Problematic phrases I've seen in the document:
Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
I think it's more important that those political figures listen to US and our KIDS... not the other way around.
But, I'm just a bitter-clinger like that. :rolleyes:
As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?
Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?
Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?
Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.
Being forced to come up with a list of crap that would be helpful to the president, whether the kids or parents agree with it or not, now becomes a grade-able goal. Great.
Interview and share about their goals with one another to create a supportive community.
Those of you who are parents, please raise hell with your PTA or school board as appropriate.
This is blatant brainwashing.
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whats he speaking about? and how is it threatening?
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It doesn't matter. Nobody, save members of the military, owe the President any allegiance or accountability whatsoever. He works for us. At least, that was how it used to work. This program seems to be an attempt to teach tomorrows citizens that our public servants are actually people they should follow and look to for life guidance, as opposed to people to be directed by the citizenry.
If I were still a public school student, my goal would be to be true to my own beliefs and convictions, and to oppose any political entity who did or said anything contrary to those convictions. I wonder how the teach would hold me accountable for that. And a good question to write down is "Why does the President have the audacity to think he can ask me to do anything when he works for me?"
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No actual syllabus of HIS statement is available. You don't get to filter it beforehand and decide whether or not to remove your kid from school that day based on the content of his speech.
But... the carefully crafted classroom response is disturbing in how, regardless of the content of the speech, the kids are being coached to follow/support the president regardless of content.
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if its ok with you i'll wait to see what he says. then i'll go off if its appropriate
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if its ok with you i'll wait to see what he says. then i'll go off if its appropriate
Do you really think it's going to be something blatant right from the get go? It's much more likely that this is just another step in the conditioning of America to think of politicians as people we should listen to and obey, as opposed to servants of the citizens employed to do our will.
C&SD, it doesn't matter what the President asks to the students to do. The important thing is that we have a President who thinks it's his job to give us commands, instead of the other way around. And he wants to teach tomorrow's citizens that that attitude is acceptable.
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He may talk about H1N1 and how to protect yourself or prevent spreading it?
Maybe he wants to get school kids interested in Civics, maybe he likes kids?
Wait until the press conference before you pass judgement.
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C&SD, it doesn't matter what the President asks to the students to do. The important thing is that we have a President who thinks it's his job to give us commands, instead of the other way around. And he wants to teach tomorrow's citizens that that attitude is acceptable.
Ragnar is correct.
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He may talk about H1N1 and how to protect yourself or prevent spreading it?
Maybe he wants to get school kids interested in Civics, maybe he likes kids?
Wait until the press conference before you pass judgement.
I don't care if the "request" is the best idea in the world. It's not his place to make such "requests" in any way, and it never will be. And I oppose him for thinking it is. A benevolent dictator is still a dictator.
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Ragnar, I think you're missing the mark by just a hair. You're close, but not quite there.
Who cares if we have a socialist pinko Mussolini wannabe in the whitehouse? If we the people elected him to do our business, then that's our own damn fault and responsibility for it lies with us.
The president has no place giving instructions to the American population. He's there to follow through on his campaign promises, and to listen to the American people for other issues.
LEAST OF ALL, the most impressionable of Americans.
Even if he came out in a 180 degree flip of his position and started telling kids that they must encourage their parents to own guns, that individual responsibility is the only way to go... he'd piss off the other folks on the other side of the aisle.
This is conditioning of youth. The agenda isn't so important as the vehicle of delivery.
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if its ok with you i'll wait to see what he says. then i'll go off if its appropriate
I'll bet you a nickel whatever Obama says will be inappropriate.
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how do you define inappropriate?
if he gives em a rah rah about how important school is? how about some swine flu info? is telling em to listen to their parents statist for anyone other than mb?
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Oh this is BS. I just finally caved to the wife. We signed the girl cub up last week. Looks like I am pulling her right back out, or maybe she misses the first day of school.
huh. The only thing I can find is that first bit. Anybody find any mainstream or other sources beyond this one? Or are we being played for fools?
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I remember in grade school when Ronald Reagan addressed school kids, we went to different homerooms to hear him speak.
I can't remember what he said, but it couldn't have been all that bad.
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And did they make sure you did everything Reagan said, so you could help your
dear leader president?
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Hannity talked about it today, as did one of the local guys here in Phoenix, JD Heyworth. I think it's legit. Drudge linked it.
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is telling em to listen to their parents statist for anyone other than mb?
Yes, I am sure President Obama will go on the air telling children to obey their parents (which is, by the way, none of his business either way). And not, say, promoting his healthcare vision or whatnot.
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Yeah, I found the link on Drudge, but still, just that one link, with no supporting information...
I'm just not ready to buy it as legit. It certainly seems right on track with Obama's MO, but that document could have been typed by anyone.
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Ok, I was able to find more, through that first link. Looks legit.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10627735/President-Addresses-American-Students-9-8-09 (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10627735/President-Addresses-American-Students-9-8-09)
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Things he'll probably talk about in a dumbed-down way that sounds good to minds that can't yet parse doubletalk:
-Health care
-Census information and duty to respond regardless of question content
-Charity for the poor (aka take from the rich, how great Robin Hood is)
-Conservation, oil dependency, solar/wind power (aka your parents are foolish for owning a big car)
-Fairness of listening to both sides (aka mandatory exposure to alternate argument and mandatory sharing of alternate perspective, aka Fairness Doctrine)
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sounds subversive to me! :angel: ;/
did they post the link while you were making your predictions?
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Subversive? Why would there be anything subversive about teaching children that private citizens are to take orders from presidential speeches? What would be subversive about teaching children that their purpose in life is to "help" the president?
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It could be a a teachable moment for our children. A good primer in how propaganda is created and disseminated.
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What is America to the Left except one great "teachable moment?" As others have well said, what we are witnessing is an attempt to fundamentally reverse the flow of legitimate power in this country and reduce citizens to subjects.
When you turn your nation's young minds over to government employees who more often that not are philosophically on the margin of America's traditional core values YOU END UP HERE. We had better realize how serious this has gotten. We need more than just sporadic town hall protests, we need a grass-roots tidal wave of protest, a powerful anti-statist movement akin to the civil rights' crusades of five decades ago.
And we need it NOW.
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So called "brainwashing" does often have negative and unattended affects for the brainwashers.
When I was in school, telling us kids about CFCs depleting the Ozone, we had to do projects relating to conserving CFCs, not using aerosol cans, not using the A/C (which was typical green-zealot misinformation, its not use but destruction of A/C which depletes the ozone). We also had to do projects on recycling papers to help slow rain forest deforestation and exercises on water conservation.
They used the fear thing too, 'If you don't stop using aerosol cans now, by 2001 you will need to wear a sun parka outside to avoid getting instantaneous cancer.' 'If you don't recycle paper, there won't be enough trees to make oxygen and we will all suffocate!'.
We watched mandatory videos, we sang mandatory songs, put on mandatory plays and did mandatory 'science' projects.
Consequently, it is 2010, and NONE of their dire predictions even came close to true. Now when people in my age group ask me about global warming, I remind them of this education we had a children. It does not disprove global warming, but it sure opens it up the fear mongering of "NEW YORK CITY WILL BE UNDER WATER IN 10 YEARS" to just criticism.
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"President Obama will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens."
Wow, working hard and taking responsibility - talk about socialist brainwashing! ;/
What's next, telling us to honor veterans on November 11th? (how dare he tell us what to do!?!)
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Wow, working hard and taking responsibility - talk about socialist brainwashing! ;/
What's next, telling us to honor veterans on November 11th? (how dare he tell us what to do!?!)
I don't care what he's telling them, it isn't his place. He wasn't elected to preach the benefits of socialism to our children, that's not in his job description. I don't care what he is going to talk about, it isn't his place. I don't care if it's Obama, Bush Jr, the ghost of Ronnie Reagan or Thomas Jefferson, they don't belong in the classroom. That's what teachers are supposed to be doing. I don't pay taxes so my kid can watch a talking head speak to them about service. If I want her to watch tv, I can keep her home.
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I don't care what he's telling them, it isn't his place. He wasn't elected to preach the benefits of socialism to our children, that's not in his job description. I don't care what he is going to talk about, it isn't his place. I don't care if it's Obama, Bush Jr, the ghost of Ronnie Reagan or Thomas Jefferson, they don't belong in the classroom. That's what teachers are supposed to be doing. I don't pay taxes so my kid can watch a talking head speak to them about service. If I want her to watch tv, I can keep her home.
Call in sick for your daughter that day then.
I still don't understand why people are making such a big fuss over this.
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Call in sick for your daughter that day then.
I still don't understand why people are making such a big fuss over this.
I'm making a big fuss over all the kids who won't be sick that day. Kids that will be that much closer to thinking that it's perfectly alright for the President to be issuing edicts for citizens to fulfill.
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We need more than just sporadic town hall protests, we need a grass-roots tidal wave of protest, a powerful anti-statist movement akin to the civil rights' crusades of five decades ago.
And we need it NOW.
I can haz revolution/civul warz nao? Kthnks, bye!
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I'm making a big fuss over all the kids who won't be sick that day. Kids that will be that much closer to thinking that it's perfectly alright for the President to be issuing edicts for citizens to fulfill.
So a well known person/celebrity, such as the President of the United States telling school kids to study hard is a bad thing? Honestly, nothing has been said that Obama is going to deliever some socialist agenda speech.
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I enjoy teasing longeyes as much as the next guy, but in that particular post he did call for something akin to the civil rights movement ie marches, protests etc. Which I agree with.
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Charby, apparently you missed the part where teachers are supposed to quize kids about "what Obama is expecting of them" and that they need to come up with goals to follow Obama's message and can even be held accountable to those goals.
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no! they aren't gonna be encouraged to do well in school AND set goals toward that! what next?! work hard study?!
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I can haz revolution/civul warz nao? Kthnks, bye!
Oh god not actual changes in the political status quo!
OMG, next you're going to be talking about people being FREE or something!
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no! they aren't gonna be encouraged to do well in school AND set goals toward that! what next?! work hard study?!
That cheese in the mouse trap sure does look tasty doesn't it?
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Charby, apparently you missed the part where teachers are supposed to quize kids about "what Obama is expecting of them" and that they need to come up with goals to follow Obama's message and can even be held accountable to those goals.
Um, to work hard to excell in school? That is what they will be quized on.
Seriously take off your "ZOMG! Obama wants to speak, must be about socialism/communism/nazi turn in your neighbor social welfare paid for by rich people!" red colored glasses.
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It does not matter if this one particular message is about working hard in school, brushing your teeth, eating vegatables, or any other positive message.
I'll say it again...
It does not matter if this one particular message is about working hard in school, brushing your teeth, eating vegatables, or any other positive message.
The only thing that matters is that this is teaching young impressionable kids, tomorrows voting taxpayers, to take directives from political officials. This entire nation was founded on the idea that political officials doing and saying other than exactly what we The People tell them to do and say, is an abomination.
The message itself at this point does not matter.
Training tomorrows citizens to accept directives flowing from the government to the people, and not the other way around, is the real issue here.
The message itself does not matter.
The only message children need to hear about the President, is that they NEED to expect the President to do exactly what the voters and taxpayers say, and shut his mouth while doing it. The President is our servant. It doesn't matter if the President is telling the children to do the most positive things in the whole world. It's not his job to tell them anything. His job is to listen. That's it.
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It does not matter if this one particular message is about working hard in school, brushing your teeth, eating vegatables, or any other positive message.
I'll say it again...
It does not matter if this one particular message is about working hard in school, brushing your teeth, eating vegatables, or any other positive message.
The only thing that matters is that this is teaching young impressionable kids, tomorrows voting taxpayers, to take directives from political officials. This entire nation was founded on the idea that political officials doing and saying other than exactly what we The People tell them to do and say, is an abomination.
The message itself at this point does not matter.
Training tomorrows citizens to accept directives flowing from the government to the people, and not the other way around, is the real issue here.
The message itself does not matter.
The only message children need to hear about the President, is that they NEED to expect the President to do exactly what the voters and taxpayers say, and shut his mouth while doing it. The President is our servant. It doesn't matter if the President is telling the children to do the most positive things in the whole world. It's not his job to tell them anything. His job is to listen. That's it.
Ragnar, you have distilled my concerns far better than I did. This is exactly my point, and why I am furious about this.
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Training tomorrows citizens to accept directives flowing from the government to the people, and not the other way around, is the real issue here.
Where are you getting the idea that this is anything more than a motivational speech? He's going to tell them to study hard and work diligently so they can grow up to be great Americans. The fact that people are upset by this is mind boggling.
The only message children need to hear about the President, is that they NEED to expect the President to do exactly what the voters and taxpayers say, and shut his mouth while doing it. The President is our servant. It doesn't matter if the President is telling the children to do the most positive things in the whole world. It's not his job to tell them anything. His job is to listen. That's it.
Which presidents do you think have acted in the way you are describing? I can't think of one in recent history that even resembles what you're talking about.
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ronny, have you read the handout the teachers are supposed to complete with their students?
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ronny, have you read the handout the teachers are supposed to complete with their students?
Have you ever read a lesson plan? Read standards and benchmarks? Read accompaning educational materials for school aged activities, like the space shuttle or Ididarod?
They are worded the same.
I know, I used to teach k-8.
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I don't like this either. It is positively Orwellian. However, I am skeptical that this event will result in little Jimmy tuning into an Obamabot.
I was serious about the teachable moment thing. From a very young age I was told to not blindly accept the words of authority figures. People who don't like what the president has to say can tell their kids it's BS. Eventually kids are going to have develop their own BS meter.
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ronny, have you read the handout the teachers are supposed to complete with their students?
The one linked in the first post? Yes, and in the context of what Obama is supposedly going to say it's really not troubling. It's a lot of basic stuff kids learn about understanding what a person is saying (which I'm assuming will be "Study hard, do well, you can do it!!") and processing that to relate it to the real world and themselves. I'm looking forward to revisiting this thread after he speaks to see what everyone has to say about it then. I really doubt people will be able to justify their outrage.
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Where are you getting the idea that this is anything more than a motivational speech? He's going to tell them to study hard and work diligently so they can grow up to be great Americans. The fact that people are upset by this is mind boggling.
I'll bet you a nickel it'll be something more than a motivational speech.
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The one linked in the first post? Yes, and in the context of what Obama is supposedly going to say it's really not troubling. It's a lot of basic stuff kids learn about understanding what a person is saying (which I'm assuming will be "Study hard, do well, you can do it!!") and processing that to relate it to the real world and themselves.
Then why does that handout talk about what students can do to "help the president"?
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So called "brainwashing" does often have negative and unattended affects for the brainwashers.
When I was in school, telling us kids about CFCs depleting the Ozone, we had to do projects relating to conserving CFCs, not using aerosol cans, not using the A/C (which was typical green-zealot misinformation, its not use but destruction of A/C which depletes the ozone). We also had to do projects on recycling papers to help slow rain forest deforestation and exercises on water conservation.
They used the fear thing too, 'If you don't stop using aerosol cans now, by 2001 you will need to wear a sun parka outside to avoid getting instantaneous cancer.' 'If you don't recycle paper, there won't be enough trees to make oxygen and we will all suffocate!'.
We watched mandatory videos, we sang mandatory songs, put on mandatory plays and did mandatory 'science' projects.
Consequently, it is 2010, and NONE of their dire predictions even came close to true. Now when people in my age group ask me about global warming, I remind them of this education we had a children. It does not disprove global warming, but it sure opens it up the fear mongering of "NEW YORK CITY WILL BE UNDER WATER IN 10 YEARS" to just criticism.
When I was in school in the early 80s, the big fear was that we would run out of oil by the year 2000 (2000 seemed like a lifetime away at the time). Guess where I stand on every single ecological disater du jour issue since?
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Then why does that handout talk about what students can do to "help the president"?
It's an effective motivational tool.
Have students write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.
"Dear RonnyReagan,
The president needs your'e help making America the goodest country it can be. In his speach he said that education is important and in order to meet the chalenges of the future we need to be smart. You should study hard and get smart so you can help the president meet this gole. You should get all A+ grades and stop eating paste and then some day you can grow up to be president!
Sincerly,
Brainwashed 3rd grade Gipper"
:angel:
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The one linked in the first post? Yes, and in the context of what Obama is supposedly going to say it's really not troubling. It's a lot of basic stuff kids learn about understanding what a person is saying (which I'm assuming will be "Study hard, do well, you can do it!!") and processing that to relate it to the real world and themselves. I'm looking forward to revisiting this thread after he speaks to see what everyone has to say about it then. I really doubt people will be able to justify their outrage.
What part of "the message itself doesn't matter" are you not grasping.
I don't care what he's telling them. I care that he is telling them anything at all.
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It's an effective motivational tool.
It is? I was a kid once. What the President wanted wouldn't have mattered a bit to me. The Star Wars Missile Defense stuff was pretty cool though.
At a minimum, this is a silly public relations effort that is sort of waste of time. However, it likely has succeeded in taking health care and town hall meetings off the headlines for a few days as Congress heads back into session.
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So, it's OK that teachers are getting lesson plans straight from the White House?
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What part of "the message itself doesn't matter" are you not grasping.
I don't care what he's telling them. I care that he is telling them anything at all.
First of all, the majority of people upset by this do seem to be concerned with the message (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hbVI8w9TuSs8ZcL0eN6ZO63h6CywD9AFELOG2) itself. We probably wouldn't even be discussing this if it weren't for the outcry over this "socialist liberal indoctrination scheme."
I recognize that you seem to have a different problem with this, but the part I'm not grasping is why this is different than any other time a President has given a speech. Do you honestly get this upset every time a President addresses the nation or is he only barred from addressing children? And I'm still curious as to what president you think has acted in the way you described earlier.
It is? I was a kid once. What the President wanted wouldn't have mattered a bit to me.
Yeah, not everything works on every kid. A lot of kids can be motivated to do something if it's portrayed as "helping" whether they're helping their parents by picking up their toys, helping their teachers by sitting quietly, or helping their President by setting educational goals and taking responsibility for their learning. If you can't admit that listening to a motivational speech and tying that into setting personal goals, writing them down, and revisiting them could possibly motivate a kid then I have to assume you're just being antagonistic.
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Hell, every time there's one of those myriad evening presidential indoctrination sessions on the major networks, I just go to HBO or ShowTime.
Guess I should just rant a bit, instead. ;)
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I hope there is a law suite filed in time to stop his speech.
To me, there would normally be no qualms about the President speaking to the students, but when they make up lesson a lesson plan, that is too much.
Obama's upcoming school address illegal?
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 9/7/2009 4:00:00 AMA Christian legal society is sending Barack Obama a message concerning his planned school address: "Mr. President, cease and desist."
Liberty Counsel founder Matt Staver tells OneNewsNow that the Department of Education [DOE] is engaging in illegal activity in the dispersing of educational material that will accompany President Obama's address to school children. He says it does not matter what Obama talks about because according to U.S. Code 20, Section 3403, the Secretary of Education, or any officer, is forbidden to engage in "any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system."
"It's illegal because we don't want the President or the federal Department of Education to take over our schools. We don't want them creating curriculum, as the DOE is doing in this case. They're actually creating workbooks, they're setting aside time during the instructional portion of the school," he points out. "They're then beaming the President of the United States into all of these schools across the country. It is essentially a federal takeover of our state educational and locally run school systems."
Staver believes the scheduling of the speech is politically motivated because Obama is delivering the speech as Congress comes back in session and at a time when he is trying to refocus the debate on healthcare. Staver contends that there are better ways to encourage kids to stay in school and study, and he adds that Obama has no business intruding upon required classroom time.
He is urging Americans to speak out with one voice and ask Obama to "cease and desist."
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Hell, every time there's one of those myriad evening presidential indoctrination sessions on the major networks, I just go to HBO or ShowTime.
Guess I should just rant a bit, instead. ;)
Well good thing this isn't about you at all. It's about other people's children being held accountable to a Whitehouse created lesson plan. You gonna go to every school and change the channel to HBO for them?
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Make all the kiddies watch Entourage instead of Barry Obama.
:P
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So wait.
U.S. law explicitly prohibits the Federal Government from setting curricula and being involved in the content of schooling?
Wow.
You guys are lucky to live in such a great country.
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I don't think that the publishing of a lesson plan constitutes "direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system." As has been shown in districts throughout the country, it is an optional activity. Moreover, this is not the first time there has been a federal gov't supplied lesson plan.
I am not particularly fond of the content of the first version of the lesson plan that was disseminated, but I place it in the category of things that bug me, but I am not going to take to the streets and/or sue over.
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I am not going to take to the streets and/or sue over.
I think that's a big reason why righties so often lose the argument, in the popular mind. The left makes a federal case out of everything (sometimes literally). If you act like something is a supreme violation of basic human rights, people start to agree with you. Or at least you keep it in the news, with your side as the victim. When you let things slide, people figure you had nothing to complain about, and the issue goes away.
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So wait.
U.S. law explicitly prohibits the Federal Government from setting curricula and being involved in the content of schooling?
Wow.
You guys are lucky to live in such a great country.
Well hurry up and carry your ### over here. :lol: We need more people with a mind for preserving rights.
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Here's the speech:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/
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If you act like something is a supreme violation of basic human rights, people start to agree with you
Why are you complaining again? Are you saying you're being oppressed or something?
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From the prepared remarks:
I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.
Translated: So she sent me to that madrassa with the weird terrorist kids. =D
That ought to redline the birthers.
And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
"But Mom, the President told me to stay home!"
All in all a pretty safe speech. I chafe at the whole idea that fixing up schools or anything else to do with education is a federal responsibility, but that's just my own little pet hate.
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Why are you complaining again? Are you saying you're being oppressed or something?
I wondered if you might say that. I'm not saying you can overdo it, with claims that taking care of your little brothers is some kind of child abuse.
Still, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It works better with the weak-minded. Which explains a lot about the left. :lol:
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You know perfectly well that's not what I said.
However, I suggest the dangerous notion that all of us, in modern society, are, in fact, being oppressed.
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Yes, I know that's not what you said. What you actually said was much funnier.
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You are welcome to explain to me why. Probably, however, it'd be best if you did it in PM, or in the other thread. This thread was about Obama.
Elsewhere, another plot twist is introduced (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hie9xmXkY5FkL0UhZMnFHhYfcMWAD9AIQR4O0).
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All in all a pretty safe speech.
This is not the original speech that he had intended to give.
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This is not the original speech that he had intended to give.
Sadly, you can't prove that and neither can anybody.
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>However, it likely has succeeded in taking health care and town hall meetings off the headlines for a few days as Congress heads back into session.<
Which, to my eye, is EXACTLY what this speech was meant to do.
He used a feint, and we all followed it...
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This is not the original speech that he had intended to give.
You know this how? Please supply us with your copy of the Original Speech ...
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Well good thing this isn't about you at all. It's about other people's children being held accountable to a Whitehouse created lesson plan. You gonna go to every school and change the channel to HBO for them?
Actually, it was. Been there, seen the myriad presidential school addresses long before you were a twinkle in your mother's eye, TaurusOwner. We survived the propoganda ok, all things considered.
I was making fun of the thread, and the whole OMG/WTF premise behind it.
With the innuendo and unfounded "Wolverines" overtones, it probably ran its course after just the first post.
The thread is definitely on the far side of Well Done, closer to to the Shoe Leather stage just prior to Charcoal Briquette.