Post by: Guest on December 19, 2005, 02:22:52 PM
And every single one after that.http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=419736
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 19, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
Of course, no one talks about how the Constitution has been gang-raped by Bush, and our "Republican" controlled congress.
Post by: garyk/nm on December 19, 2005, 03:24:27 PM
Every time someone speaks up with a rational POV, there's digdug to slap them down and namecall.
Nope, I won't be going back there anytime soon.
Dang, now I'm having visions of the photo that one of our members accidently linked to and got banned (temporarily) from THR.
Make it go away!
Post by: Ron on December 19, 2005, 03:46:44 PM
Your whining about arfcom will keep people away from the technical forums where the BS isn't tolerated. There is a wealth of knowledge on that site and many from THR and TFL can be found there.
Why even post a link? Do want to bring the level of discourse here down to that level?
Post by: mtnbkr on December 19, 2005, 04:47:51 PM
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Poop floats to the surface and that forum is the cesspool.
You never answered the question. Why do you go there if you hate it so?Chris
Post by: MaterDei on December 21, 2005, 10:29:48 AM
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Ah yes, the ever-present "Democrats will take away your guns and freedoms! Vote Bush!"
Of course, no one talks about how the Constitution has been gang-raped by Bush, and our "Republican" controlled congress.
Dasmi, why the Republican/Bush bashing? Not all of us who would have sooner died than have voted for Kerry voted for Bush.
Of course, no one talks about how the Constitution has been gang-raped by Bush, and our "Republican" controlled congress.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 10:31:56 AM
I voted for the man. But I have been betrayed. Please, tell me how Kerry would've been worse?
How has Bush protected your freedom?
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 10:57:01 AM
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Please, tell me how Kerry would've been worse?
You would prefer a complete repeal of the Second Amendment, perhaps?Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 10:59:14 AM
Oh, I know, is he protecting our right to privacy? Or is he allowing the NSA to monitor Americans without a warrant? Hmm.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 11:12:11 AM
I ask again, "Do you prefer a repeal of the Second Amendment?"
Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 11:14:07 AM
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 11:29:33 AM
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And that is a ridiculous question. Of course I would not prefer that.
Thank you. Now, given the choice of only two candidates, would you prefer Kerry or Bush?Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 11:33:38 AM
Post by: jefnvk on December 21, 2005, 11:47:45 AM
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Is he attempting to reverse other anti-gun legislation?
I consider maintaining status quo a big plus over trying to get rid of it.It is a good site for technical stuff. GD is too idiotic for me.
Just because there is one bad part of the site, doesn't make the whole site bad. Gunboards has the Minefield (or did at one point, haven't been there in a while, might be gone now), that was far worse than even ARFCOM, didn't keep me from going to the rest of the forums they had.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 11:53:35 AM
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I voted for Bush. So I made my choice. However, given the choice again, I would vote for neither of them. And in the future, if I see another Bush-like Republican, they won't get my vote. I'll vote third party, or stay home and watch America die on CNN.
Then you are part of the problem. No matter how well intentioned the voter, a vote cast for a candidate that has no chance of winning is a vote thrown away. It is not a help, it is a hinderance. You might as well be voting for the opposition.Righteous indignation is great for making speeches but not for making long-term decisions that require a more rational, empirical, and realistic approach. Think about the consequences of your actions. Knowingly throwing away a vote just to sooth your sensibilities is what liberals do. Not voting at all is a cop-out.
Make your vote count, even if it takes voting for someone you don't necessarily like. If you aren't prepared to do that, then maybe you really should stay at home and "watch America die on CNN." It will shorten the lines for the rest of us who care to make our votes as effective as possible.
Brad
p.s - and what are you doing watching CNN anyway? There are much less biased news sources available.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 11:56:54 AM
I will not fall into the "Democrats Bad, Republicans Good" trap. Sorry, but the Republicans control the Whitehouse, and the Congress, and we are still on a train to hell. Might be a little slower than if Kerry & Crew were in charge, but the destination is the same. I will vote for someone who represents me, or not at all.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 12:00:13 PM
Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 12:00:58 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 12:03:42 PM
Emotion versus reality. Maybe some day you will understand.
Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 12:05:30 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 12:26:57 PM
Scenario
You are falling off a cliff and have a choice of:
A) A rotten rope that is, notheless, attached to something and at least in one piece and will probably stay that way long enough for you to pull yourself up and replace it
B) A regular rope that appears to be sound and knotted securely but that you know will probably break once you put your weight on it, sending you plummeting to the bottom
C) A strong, perfect, unblemished rope that is coiled neatly off to the side and attached to nothing.
Using your logic, "C" is the correct choice. Yes, you have selected a perfect rope, but threw away your selection on a good product that had no real chance of helping you. It might make you feel better in the immediate, but in the end you are still dead.
Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 12:30:21 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 12:34:27 PM
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One, your analogy doesn't really apply.
In what way? And if it is so unapplicable, why do you refer back to it in your reply?Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 12:46:51 PM
I don't really want to talk politics on APS anyway, it's my escape from the politics of THR. I think I'll go read that Scotch and Cigars thread again.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Long ago I decided not to talk about religion or politics over beer. It makes the evening much more pleasant. I think I will amend that to "...over beer or on APS."
Brad
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 12:56:59 PM
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 21, 2005, 12:57:48 PM
Brad
Post by: Guest on December 21, 2005, 01:35:53 PM
you have this guy:
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After shooting at my local range for at least 3 years regularly, yesterday was a first for me. As I was making trips back and forth to my car all I could keep staring at was this ponytailed yuppy dude's Volvo with "Kerry/Edwards and "Defend homeland security, vote democratic" stickers on the back.
If this dude would've been there on the right day, I'm sure some of the locals would have probably stomped his dope smoking, maggot infested, good time rock and roll liberal butt.
I started to try and have a conversation with him but I don't think I could have done it without getting pissed. How dare he vote and support scumbags that want to take away all of our gun rights and then have the nerve to show up at a public range and act like all is well.
He did have a nice 30/30 but if he gets his way, it'll be tagged as a sniper rifle and banned.
"RANT OFF"
sorry but I needed to vent,
Base-Rigger
I consider that a crazy emotional rant at all. Base-Rigger is just pointing out that a yuppy showing up at a range frequented by avid gunners is out of place. Which is correct, I don't care how you vote, but you would have to be a complete fool to think Kerry is a friend to gunners. He is one of the "usual suspects" that do thier damnedest to try and limit or eliminate our rights all together. If this dude would've been there on the right day, I'm sure some of the locals would have probably stomped his dope smoking, maggot infested, good time rock and roll liberal butt.
I started to try and have a conversation with him but I don't think I could have done it without getting pissed. How dare he vote and support scumbags that want to take away all of our gun rights and then have the nerve to show up at a public range and act like all is well.
He did have a nice 30/30 but if he gets his way, it'll be tagged as a sniper rifle and banned.
"RANT OFF"
sorry but I needed to vent,
Base-Rigger
Anybody showing up at my range with kerry stickers on his car (I don't care where the car was made, I OWN a volvo myself), would be about as welcome as Hanoi Jane Fonda at 29 palms on the 10th of november.
Post by: Old Dog on December 21, 2005, 01:38:38 PM
As far as the technical stuff on that forum, thank God I learned about ARs in the military and know how to crack a book ... I won't lower myself to visit any part of a forum that allows such lunacy present, which does negatively impact the image of ALL gun people.
Post by: Old Dog on December 21, 2005, 01:40:55 PM
And this is precisely why we, as gun-owners and shooters, are our own worst enemy as far as furthering the cause of RKBA -- because some of us tend to judge everyone else on the most limited criteria -- if we don't have anything in common with someone -- we don't WANT to have anything in common with someone. Sheesh.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 21, 2005, 01:42:30 PM
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"Anybody showing up at my range with kerry stickers on his car (I don't care where the car was made, I OWN a volvo myself), would be about as welcome as Hanoi Jane Fonda at 29 palms on the 10th of november."
And this is precisely why we, as gun-owners and shooters, are our own worst enemy as far as furthering the cause of RKBA -- because some of us tend to judge everyone else on the most limited criteria -- if we don't have anything in common with someone -- we don't WANT to have anything in common with someone. Sheesh.
+1, Old Dog.
And this is precisely why we, as gun-owners and shooters, are our own worst enemy as far as furthering the cause of RKBA -- because some of us tend to judge everyone else on the most limited criteria -- if we don't have anything in common with someone -- we don't WANT to have anything in common with someone. Sheesh.
Post by: Phyphor on December 21, 2005, 02:08:19 PM
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Please, tell me how Kerry would've been worse?
You would prefer a complete repeal of the Second Amendment, perhaps?Brad
Post by: Guest on December 21, 2005, 02:22:21 PM
Post by: jefnvk on December 21, 2005, 02:30:46 PM
Just because someone votes D, does nto mean they support banning guns. It could very well mean that they agree with the party on everything else, and have to compromise somewhere.
Almost no one gets everything they want. You have to decide on what you are going to compromise on. I know a kid up here that matched the description perfectly, who just fits with the majority of the Democrat's policies better than anything else. he loves shooting my guns, and doesn't see why they need to be banned, but it just so happens that the party that he agrees with almost everythign else on takes that stance. He is not going to start voting R because of that one issue, because in doing so he goes against pretty much every other issue he cares about.
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2005, 03:38:42 PM
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lmost no one gets everything they want. You have to decide on what you are going to compromise on.
NO NO NO! We must all vote our conscience no compromise! (libertarian) otherwise we are Bush Bots or DemocRATS.
Post by: Guest on December 22, 2005, 12:37:34 AM
Post by: Justin on December 22, 2005, 06:51:32 AM
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troglodytery
I'm going to shamelessly steal this term and use it as often as possible.
Post by: Lennyjoe on December 22, 2005, 07:50:48 AM
Like any other furom site, there are a few knuckleheads around.