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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: roo_ster on December 12, 2009, 03:56:50 PM
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Howdy:
You may have seen uglier, but I bet you haven't seen a shotgun this kind of ugly.
I have had a hankering for a truck/trunk long gun, but wanted to minimize the "long," as it pertains to how it resided in my vehicle. I have been thinking about ths for a while and I settled for a pump shotgun, as I figured it would be the cheapest and serve any an all purposes inside its slug range. But, even a 18" bbl shotgun I thought too long, as I wanted it to be out of the way and also come along family trips wihtout taking up luggage space. So, a folding stock was indicated, preferably one with recoil reduction a la Knoxx.
And, since I am really a semi-auto man when it comes to shotguns, only the shotgun with the reputation as smoothest would do: Rem 870 Wingmaster. Oh, I also wanted it cheap.
I even went so far as to ask advice from the rogues and ne'er-do-wells at http://www.armedpolitesociety.com.
Anyways, fellow APSer Avenger29 told me he had an older Knoxx Cop Stock he was no longer using & was willing to sell. I then had to admit I had no actual pump shotgun, for all my querying and pontificating. A29 then got devious and let the matter lie, not PMing or mentioning it in any way. Well, A29's wily selling technique (complete silence and lack of badgering) finally broke through my defenses and I bit.
So: There I was!
A man with (or nearly "with," since A29 & I were doing this via mail) an accessory for which I had no gun. I did what any reasonable gunny would do and set off to buy a Rem 870.
I found these puppies:
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/870_Riot_LLW.html
about five minutes before A29 suggested them. Great minds & all...
Now, the ad photo truly does not do them justice. When I first saw it in the flesh at my favorite FFL transferor (sportingarms.com), she asked, "Oh, you're the one who bought the pink shotgun." I thought knowing it had orange furniture was bracing enough.
Pink? Huh?
Well, if pressed, I'd have to say it is more of a "peach" than pink. It surely originally was orange, but UV, use, solvents, etc. have had their way with the plastic and it has lightened up some. The ad photo and my following photos are a bit to "rich," color-wise. In the flesh, it is not as deeply orange. More peach. But not pink.
The PD where these things came from need a little primer in weapons maintenance. OK, I'll allow for not cleaning it the last time it was fored (a lot). But, letting the mag tube, mt spring, and receiver get rust is something that ought to be noticed by leadersip and dealt with accordingly.
To sum up, this is one ugly hunk of metal & plastic. I will have NO worries using this weapon hard.
Anyways, for the price, it is a smooth weapon. Even bone dry, dirty, and with funk in the trigger mechanism, it was smoother than my neighbor's Mossberg 500 after he has put 1000 rounds though his.
I currently have it disassembled and washed off all of it with low-odor mineral spirits(1) while geting after it ith a bronze brush. The trigger group is sitting and soaking in mineral spirits. After it soaks for a couple days (really gunky] I'll re-assemble it with the Cop Stock, lube it with synthetic motor oil, and see how it looks. In the days to come I'll take it to the range and see how it performs.
Links to Photos:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ifsRjdJE1Jg/SyPyceXpHuI/AAAAAAAAAQc/vBFN6R4NVMU/s800/rem870_ugly_right.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ifsRjdJE1Jg/SyPycoHQraI/AAAAAAAAAQg/8uUZ1jfO7_g/s800/rem870_ugly_left.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ifsRjdJE1Jg/SyPycta_ghI/AAAAAAAAAQk/1bQCvrjxvK8/s800/rem870_ugly_rec_right.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ifsRjdJE1Jg/SyPydBgEH_I/AAAAAAAAAQo/r5twKJlYqL4/s800/rem870_ugly_rec_left.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ifsRjdJE1Jg/SyPydIQhgrI/AAAAAAAAAQs/5MZGKedU6Nw/s800/rem870_ugly_rec_tube_left.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ifsRjdJE1Jg/SyPyhoepPqI/AAAAAAAAAQw/SUDdYNqIJ7A/s800/rem870_ugly_mag_tube_left.jpg
(1) My preferred "new, nasty gun cleaner solvent." Cuts all the oil, cosmo, powder & plastic fouling, but i not too aggressive.
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Ye gads!
"Fugly" with attitude.
And the stock/pump make it almost seem like an airsoft toy.
Will you tacky-tickle it up with a non-pink, black synthetic stock and pump handle?
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The color of the wood reminds me of the Chicom SKS, and not in a good way.
:P
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I like it.
Does that make me strange? ???
DD
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Reminds me I need to take another stab at getting my old JC Higgins/High Standard fixed and assembled. It's kind of beat up looking like that one.
If I was going to do deliberately ugly, I'd be doing Saiga + the cheapest folding stock I could find. Bob the barrel back to legal limit. Add Krylon.
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i kinda like it too, cause you can drop it in mud and it would come out looking just as good. =D
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I've got an old Steven's Favority 12 guage which has metal wear that is much worse. That stock looks a lot better though.
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I like it too...
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Lordy, lordy, that's an ugly piece. Keep it away from children, lest it blind them for life.
But I am glad you bought your first "kinda sorta peachish pink" gun. Congrads!
Maybe something slightly less ugly next time, yes?
=D
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I kind of get a kick out of it. =)
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Don't forget the STP, I got guys here who swear by the stuff. =D
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It needs some Halloween stickers to complete it. ;)
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i kinda like it too, cause you can drop it in mud and it would come out looking just as good better. =D
FTFY =D
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My nefarious plans for the ugly duckling:
1. Finish cleaning it up.
Any idea as to what I ought to to use to get after the rust pits and surface rust?
2. Install Knoxx Cop Stock.
3. Rough up forearm with sandpaper, clean & degrease it, slap some skateboard grip tape on it, and paint it flat black.
4. Install tritium bead over bead, likely one of the AO glue-on-top-the bead dealies.
Some other options floating around in my noggin:
1. Grind a flat on the bottom of the forearm. Install very short picatinny rail with industrial adhesive. Drill & tap screw holes if absolutely necessary. Slap Streamlight TLR-1 on it.
2. Install a +2 mag extension and bbl/extension clamp
3. Drill & tap receiver for a ghost ring sight
I'll have a Speed Feed 870 butt stock up for grabs with a very good recoil pad if someone wants it.
Heck, I'll trade the complete SF stock and forearm for just a cop/LEO/short forearm. Synthetic, wood, whatever. It's not like this thing could get any uglier.
Aren't SF stocks supposed to be the shinola? This one is much stouter than any synthetic Rem Express stock or Mossy synthetic I have touched.
And, you'll have the pride of ownership tat comes with having the most unique shotgun in your state. Gay-run-teed.
I'm kind looking forward to trying my hand at drilling & tapping, & modifying this in a cheap fashion.
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I've heard steel wool works well for surface rust; never had to do it myself, though (one of the benefits of living in a desert).
Don't know what you can do about pits. It's missing metal, so the only way I can think of how you can "fix" it is either somehow fill them in, or simply leave it as it is and make sure you get all the rust out.
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Oh, I don't expect to make it purty, just get the rust out so it doesn;t rust more.
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Replace that nasty pink foregrip with a black corncob, that would balance nicely with the knoxx folder, too.
I found one at the last gunshow I went to for my 500 that takes a screw on rail. Think I paid $16 for it.
Here's (http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=4&Product_CatalogID=2720&ProductNumber=01-02-22&ProductCode=23&ProductSubCodeID=161&NewProduct=0) one for $31 that takes a rail.
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Replace that nasty pink foregrip with a black corncob, that would balance nicely with the knoxx folder, too.
Peach, not pink. :laugh:
And yes, it is nasty.
Hmm, I that linked forearm is a great idea.
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If it was more pink, I'd be inclined to call it salmon colored instead =D
Definitely peachish orange.
Maybe for the metal wear, you could get some alumahyde from brownells. I think it would look cool with a black stock, forearm, and alumahyde's ruger grey metal, but it's your baby, so do with her as you please.
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At this point, I want it cleaned up & functional.
Maybe later get after the cosmetic, though a good refinish helps rust resistance.
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It needs a KalashniKitty sticker. Just until you start decking it out... =D
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I just got a light for $40 at the gun show for my Mossberg. Mounted under the forend, its easy to flip on and bright enough to illuminate the crackhead right before he eats a rifled slug.
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I just got a light for $40 at the gun show for my Mossberg. Mounted under the forend, its easy to flip on and bright enough to illuminate the crackhead right before he eats a rifled slug.
Might wanna run a few boxes of slugs through that before you bet on it. I've seen a lot of those cheap tacky cool accessories bite it when someone actually tries to use them.
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Might wanna run a few boxes of slugs through that before you bet on it. I've seen a lot of those cheap tacky cool accessories bite it when someone actually tries to use them.
My go-to weapon light is the Streamlight TLR-1. I can get it online for ~$100. Slugs don't bother it as far as I have seen.
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I defintely intend to. Mounted it up anyways.
It's designed for pistols. But I didn't care :laugh: Ugly is as ugly does.
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Die, crackhead, DIE!
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Do NOT follow the light... :lol:
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Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, I have seen THE LIGHT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1KZKZs-2YM)
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Great, more 4-Rules violations.
What? You guys can't see his finger on the trigger?
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All I can see is a warp core breach in progress.
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That was the third try, my kid wouldn't hold the camera still!
[popcorn]
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for the rust 0000 steel wool and about any light oil, WD-40 or Kroil would be fine.
As for a finish, since it is going to be a beater trunk monkey then why waste money on anything more costly than Krylon?
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if you need to go coarser on the steel wool(i would try not to on a gun), don't forget the gloves. rusting splinters stink. >:D
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Maybe start off with some bronze wool.
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No, first its wool wool, THEN bronze wool, then iron wool then finally steel wool.
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Okay, finally got it together with the Knoxx cop stock after letting the trigger group soak in mineral spirits a week or so (it was nasty). Lubed up with Mobil-1 synthetic 20W-50, my lube & protectant of choice for most long arms.
It cleaned up pretty darned well. I had gone after all gunk & rust earlier with a bronze brush & mineral spirits and did so again with a bronze brush & Mobil-1. It went from looking "neglected" (bad LEO, bad, bad!) to "well-used."
It points well, much better than my buddy's Mossy 500 with the Knoxx Spec Ops stock. I get a good line up with the receiver, bbl, & bead without having to move my head about. It is also much smoother after its thorough cleaning.
I still need to order the forearm and get some trigger group drift pins, as it came with a sidesaddle that does not work with the Cop Stock folded. The sidesaddle uses hex-head threaded screws that terminate in the sidesaddle. I'll also order a new mag spring to replace the partially-rusted original.
I must say that I was impressed at the 870's simple design & take-down. I had it tore down in minutes and only took a little first-timer fiddling to get it back together.
I'll get some more pics after the forearm comes in.
I have one of those Federal bird shot bulk pacs from Wally World waiting for it and I plan on patterning it with my Usual Suspects of buck shot. (Here's hoping it like Rem 2 3/4" 000 like my Rem 1100 does.)
One thing I have noticed about pump shotguns, especially those with shorter forearms to facilitate LEO use: my support arm goes WAY out there to get a grip on the forearm. I generally prefer a grip closer to the receiver.
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I like the longer foregrip on my Mossberg 500 Regal than teh new "combat" one on the 500A.
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I have one of those Federal bird shot bulk pacs from Wally World waiting for it and I plan on patterning it with my Usual Suspects of buck shot. (Here's hoping it like Rem 2 3/4" 000 like my Rem 1100 does.)
I got turned on to the Federal buckshot with the Flite-Control wad. It's 00, so slightly smaller pellets than your 000... But the patterns. Lord have mercy. Roughly 1/3 the size of buckshot without the special wad. It's not really much more expensive than the regular buck either. Seriously. Regular 00 out of my 18 1/2" 870? 15 inch pattern at 15 yards. The federal stuff? 5 inch patterns. At 5-7 yards, it's still a solid column of shot. Hits almost like a slug. Matter of fact, read up on a police shooting using the Federal fodder. Cop shot the bad guy in the hip. BG lived, got to the ER. ER doc (major metro area, if I remember correctly) thought the guy had been shot with a slug instead of buckshot.
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I got turned on to the Federal buckshot with the Flite-Control wad...
I smell an excuse to pattern both my 1100 & 870 with some Fed fodder. I have stuck with the Rem stuff as it is easy to find at Academy, Wally World, etc.
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I just got a light for $40 at the gun show for my Mossberg.
I've got the same light on my XD, and I'm very happy with it. FWIW, $32 from Amazon, shipping included.
DD