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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Sergeant Bob on December 21, 2009, 05:17:21 PM
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Only took about a month or so from app to receipt. What's a pretty good, inexpensive 1st buy? I know Mosin Nagants and some others pretty cheap but, what models are the better quality, better shooters, etc?
Suggestions please?
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I had a Nagant for a few months. I was desperate to get rid of it. Horrible gun in my opinion, other than being cheap I don't know what the appeal is. Oh, but if you do get one, fire it at night. That right there is a spiritual experience. Oh, another great use, if someone is next to you at the range, and you don't want them there, torch off the Nagant a few times. They will probably move a few stalls away... >:D
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Jamis: did you clean it thoroughly? A lot of the dislike I see for MN's originates from running them full of the nastyness they came with. Also, I don't like the little carbines either, but the 91/30 is a lot of fun. Admittedly a bit clunky on the bolt manipulation, but still...
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So many milsurps, so little time.
First thing to do is send your FFL to all sorts of terrible, terrible folk who will ply you with milsurps & discount in exchange for $$$.
Here's a Q&D list:
Name Address 1 Adress 2 City, State Zip Website Comments
AIM P.O. Box 556 Springboro, OH 45066 http://www.aimsurplus.com/
Allans Armory Allan Schisel P.O. Box 331 Graham, FL 32042 http://www.allans-armory.com/aa.asp
Aztec International PO Box 771569 Ocala, FL 34477-1569 http://www.aztecguns.com/
Bob Adams P.O . Box 23010 Albuquerque, NM 87192 http://www.adamsguns.com/
Brocks Guns 640 Valley Brook Rd. Decatur, Georgia 30033
Brownells, Inc 200 S. Front Street Montezuma, IA 50171 http://brownells.com/ parts
BudsGunShop.Com 4115 Lexington Road Paris, KY 40361 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php
CDNN Investments Inc. P.O. Box 6514 Abilene, TX 79608 http://cdnninvestments.com
Centerfire Systems 102 Fieldview Dr Versailles, KY 40383 http://www.centerfiresystems.com/
Century Arms International 1161 Holland Drive Boca Raton, FL 33487 http://www.centuryarms.com
Cherry's Fine Guns 3402-A West Wendover Ave Greensboro, NC 27407
Civilian Marksmanship Program PO Box 576 Port Clinton, OH 43452 www.odcmp.com
CLASSIC ARMS INC. P.O. Box 125 Indian Trail, NC 28079 http://www.classicarms.us/htm/firearms.htm
Cole Distributing 270-622-3569 P.O. Box 247 Scottsville KY 42164 http://www.coledistributing.com/
Collectors Firearms 3301 Fondren Suite O Houston, Texas 77063 http://www.collectorsfirearms.com
D & R Sports Center PO Box 139 620 Fairchild Street Nanticoke, PA 18634 https://www.dnrsports.net/miva/Contact.html
Dan’s Sporting Goods 400 5th St. New Kensington, PA 15068
David's Collectibles Po Box 897 Grifton, North Carolina 28530 http://www.tickbitesupply.com/
EMPIRE ARMS P.O. Box 2068 Ormond Beach, FL 32175 http://www.empirearms.com/
FAC of America 8035 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 http://www.gunsnstuff.net/
Florida GunWorks 8306 Mills Drive Box 571 Miami, FL 33183 http://www.floridagunworks.com
Graf & Sons 4050 S. Clark Mexico, MO 65265
Great Southern Arms 2138 Patsy Hill Road Tylertown, MS 39667
Gun Parts Corp. 226 Williams Lane W. Hurley, NY 12491 http://www.gunpartscorp.com parts
Impact Guns 2710 S. 1900 W. Ogden, UT 84401 http://www.impactguns.com/store/
Inter Ordnance 3305 Westwood Industrial Dr Monroe, NC 28110 http://www.interordnance.com/
J & G Sales LTD 440 Miller Valley Rd Prescott, AZ 86301 http://www.jgsales.com/
KY Imports Inc. P.O. Box 22446 Louisville, KY 40252 http://www.kyimports.com/
L.C. Enterprises S 1093 County Road G Wonewoc, WI 53968 http://www.militaryshooters.com/
MidwayUSA 5875 W. Van Horn Tavern Rd. Columbia, Mo 65203
Military Gun Supply 3815 East Loop 820 South Fort Worth, TX 76119 http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop/
Navy Arms Company 689 Bergen Boulevard Ridgefield, N.J. 07657 http://www.navyarms.com/
Numrich Gun Parts Corporation 226 Williams Lane West Hurley, NY 12491 http://www.e-gunparts.com/
Ocala Armory 6998 NW Hwy 27 Suite 109 Ocala, FL. 34482 http://ocala-armory.com/
Samco Global Arms Inc. P.O. Box 7323 Miami, FL 33152 http://www.samcoglobal.com/
SARCO Inc. PO Box 98 323 Union Street Stirling NJ 07980 http://www.sarcoinc.com/
Southern Ohio Gun 100 S. Mechanic Stree P.O. Box 590 Lebanon, OH 45036 http://www.southernohiogun.com/
Springfield Sporters Inc. R.D. #1 Penn Run, PA 15765
Surplus Firearms 8440 Ulmerton Rd #500 Largo, FL 33771 www.surplusfirearms.com/
Treasure Hunt Arms 83A Mimosa Ave. Luling, LA 70070 http://www.treasurehuntarms.com/index.htm
Treasure Hunt Arms 83A Mimosa Ave. Luling, LA 70070 http://www.treasurehuntarms.com/contact.htm
West Texas Military Surplus 2413 34th Street Lubbock, Tx 79411
Wholesale Guns & Ammo, Inc. P.O. BOX 289 CALVERTON, N.Y 11933 http://www.gunsnammo.com/
First milsurp? Do you want it cheap or nice?
Nice:
Swede Mauser, Swiss K31, Finn M-N
Cheap:
Turk Mauser, Any non-Finn M-N
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My suggestion: Don't buy a gun because it's cheap, buy it because you want it.
There are lots of good C&R guns out there (such as early to mid century S&W revolvers) that don't require cleaning cosmoline or sourcing commie milsurp. Remember, your C&R is good for any gun 50yrs old and older. That means late 50s and back. Lots of good choices that are indistinguishable from the same models made 30 years later...
Chris
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Only took about a month or so from app to receipt. What's a pretty good, inexpensive 1st buy? I know Mosin Nagants and some others pretty cheap but, what models are the better quality, better shooters, etc?
Suggestions please?
Congratulations. Start going broke saving money by sending a copy of your license to:
Graf's
Midway
Brownell's
Huntington's
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Thanks fellas! Jfruser's list should do pretty well for a start. I'm thinking Mosin for a start but, since there are a lot of different types and all guns are not created equal, I'll definitely do some research before I jump in. I see they are pretty reasonable so it's a good place to start without freaking out the wife.
I saw Makarov's are on the list (Russian and Chinese?) but aren't those pretty hard to come by? I was looking into those quite a few years ago but have forgotten most of it.
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Looks like Aim Surplus has Czech VZ-24s again. Not as cheap as the Mosins, but a good quality milsurp. There's some Turks floating around again as well. It's an inexpensive Mauser action, but expect a yucky barrel (though I got lucky on a couple of mine).
DEFINITELY check headspace on a Turk if you get one before putting anything downrange. I actually did the "tire and string" trick shooting all mine the first time, then closely examined rifle and cartridge case for pressure stress, etc.
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Those Czech"s are pretty sharp. A bit more than I want to pay right now but, definitely a nice rifle.
They have a pretty good price on Russian 91/30's, $79.95, which are "Arsenally refinished after WWII to Excellent Condition". Does that mean they hit it with some sand paper and varnish? =D
I think I could be in trouble... :lol:
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I have an arsenal refinished M38 Mosin. If the 91/30s are the same, it's really a "like new" rifle. Obviously stocks are cheaply varnished, but mechanically they are sharp, and have really nice barrels.
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I saw Makarov's are on the list (Russian and Chinese?) but aren't those pretty hard to come by? I was looking into those quite a few years ago but have forgotten most of it.
C&R eligible ones are.
Mosin
There's a pretty little M38 carbine in my cabinet, that I picked up on a whim. Nice wood, nice metal, but hideously, horribly inaccurate. I should try to find a 91/30 some time, since I have dies and brass for the 7.62x54.
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Does it have to be a rifle?
You could get a CZ-52 pistol, or a CZ-83(like the .380 CZ-82, but in the more powerful AND less-expensive 9x18mm Makarov :)).
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Does it have to be a rifle?
You could get a CZ-52 pistol, or a CZ-83(like the .380 CZ-82, but in the more powerful AND less-expensive commercially available 9x18mm Makarov :)).
Fixed. =|
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Fixed. =|
Fair enough :)
I have been delighted in the ease with which I have found Makarov ammo since purchasing my P-64. Quality defensive ammo is another story, but still. .380 is offensively expensive right now, for no good reason.
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Does it have to be a rifle?
You could get a CZ-52 pistol, or a CZ-83(like the .380 CZ-82, but in the more powerful AND less-expensive 9x18mm Makarov :)).
I like boomsticks, short or long. I am more partial to rifles, but there are wuite a few pistols that interest me.
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Oh, another great use, if someone is next to you at the range, and you don't want them there, torch off the Nagant a few times.
While the Nagant is adequate to relocate people a few benches away, I can often get them to move to another county after touching off the Hakim a few times. ;)
bob
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Jamis: did you clean it thoroughly? A lot of the dislike I see for MN's originates from running them full of the nastyness they came with. Also, I don't like the little carbines either, but the 91/30 is a lot of fun. Admittedly a bit clunky on the bolt manipulation, but still...
Cleaned throughoughly. The thing kicked like a mule and was terribly inaccurate. Sights were ruidmentary, as if they had been carved by a drunk 2 year old. But man, when it went bang....everyone knew it.. :lol:
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While the Nagant is adequate to relocate people a few benches away, I can often get them to move to another county after touching off the Hakim a few times. ;)
bob
*heheheh* I can imagine the Hakim moving people by shock wave alone. Especially if it's loaded to true 7.92x57 power levels. :)
I myself will admit to doing some Mosin-Nagant based people relocation. Had fun one time. Took it to an indoor range. (At the time, they allowed centerfire rifles in any non-magnum caliber.) I cleared the entire BAY. :)
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Cleaned throughoughly. The thing kicked like a mule and was terribly inaccurate. Sights were ruidmentary, as if they had been carved by a drunk 2 year old. But man, when it went bang....everyone knew it.. :lol:
I'm still waiting to hear downsides. =D
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Congratulations.......however, you are a bit late as the golden age of C&R is just about over. There are some nice guns out there if you look. As for Mosin Nagant rifles, I have a bunch and they are accurate for their intended purposes. Some of them have been rebarreled by Tikka, VTK, etc and are as accurate as any rifle around today. The Swiss rifles are around and they are very accurate. MGS has some with a matching serial numbered bayonet. I gave up my license last year because I did not want obama's brown shirts, aka ATF, going through my safe......chris3