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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: J.J. on February 26, 2010, 11:57:19 AM
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I need help finding a good (Cheap) Fly Rod for Salmon fishing.
This summer I have the chance to go fishing for Salmon in Alaska. We will be doing a fly in trip with river fishing. This trip will be a bring your own gear deal. When I went to Alaska I learned the rudimentary skills of Fly Fishing and loved it. So once we catch our limit we will switch to fly fishing. Top of the Line is not important. I just need a rod that will let me learn with and survive the punishment of a noob...
All fly fishing equipment info and overall advice would be greatly appreciated. I am browing the websites but everyting i find suggests the ultra expensive rods and reels.
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What length and weight rod and reel are suggested for salmon?
I have a tough time forking out alot of coin for something I only do once in awhile, or rarely. Fly fishing is alot of fun, but for a once in awhile trip like that, what about spinning gear?
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8 wt Shimano rod, Okuma reel to match.
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flea-tique shops are a favorite place for me to find fishing gear for the kids
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You have to use a very small hook when attempting to catch flies. I've also heard honey is much better than vinegar for bait
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I guess knowing your budget for gear would help.
If you check Cableas and Bass Pro, you can get a respectable setup in the $200 range. You can spend as little as a hundred bucks, but the quality isnt as good. I've got a $100 setup, a $200 setup, and a $300 setup (I got on clearance for $200). the $300 setup is head and shoulders above the other two. Of course, most of my fly fishing is light weight stuff, I throw a 7' 3wt for trout in the mountains when I can.
Gear:
Cheap vest for stowing stuff you need immediate access to. Hydration pack for carrying the rest of your gear, etc.
Hemostats and clippers on retractors. Waterproof digital camera. Polaraized sunglasses are a must for fly fishing. Packable rain jacket. Wide brimmed waterproof hat.
Neoprene waders with felt soled boots. Long underwear, and a pair of fleece tights to go underneath. Heavy socks plus synthetic poly sock liners. Consider an inflatable PFD, too. Wading is tricky and dangerous, and being in Alaska, the water is rough, deep and cold, and you might be a long ways from help.
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and a pair of fleece tights to go underneath
I recommend hello kitty ones
that way if you need to ditch the waders and run from a bear,
your guide will get a good picture
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Speaking of bears, I understand the best way to attract them is to gut your fish and leave the guts right there on the ground at the waters edge.
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Speaking of bears, I understand the best way to attract them is to gut your fish and leave the guts right there on the ground at the waters edge.
I thought the trick was to save them and smear them on your buddies tent that night?
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My main flyrod that I like is a Cabelas house brand (made in Korea) 6 wt 5 piece pack rod. If I were going to Alaska after salmon I would want a beefier one, probably a 8 or 9wt, and I would consider getting one out of that product line.
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Honestly the budget is around $100 to $150. This is a setup that I would use only for this trip to Alaska (if I get lucky in a few years maybe another trip opportunity will pop up) I don't see the point in spending $$$ on something I would use for one week. It will probably see alot of abuse from what I hear. I wouldn't have the opportunity to use that fly rod around her because around here I would get a very light setup. They stock the local rivers with tiny trout so I wouldn't need anything near as heavy as what I would use in Alaska.
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I thought the trick was to save them and smear them on your buddies tent that night?
Yea, much better plan! :laugh:
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Are you driving or flying into a spot? Depending on where you're going, you should be able to rent gear. Or you might even be able to rent cheaper at a local fly shop before you go if you have any in your area.
Else as mentioned above, you can put a cheap outfit together at Cabelas. Fly reels are not that important anyways, but there really is a big difference between cheap and good rods. Cheap rod might be fine though if you only plan on going a time or two.
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Okay probably not what you want to hear:
skip the fly gear. You're not going to become proficient and practiced in a week. go with spinning gear.
Find out what spinning lures, etc they use up there. You're going to be wasting your money on a one time fly fishing outfit for that price range. If you want to learn the sport, find some local tailwaters and rivers to ply with a 4wt rod.
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Ok, I'm not any kind of an expert because I have never gone for salmon but I used to live with some guys that thought and acted like tripping up to Pulaski NY for salmon fishing was a religious experience. MY impression from them, if it was correct, was that they don't feed when they are running so in reality you are actually trying to snag them but (in NY anyways) you must snag them in the mouth or you must release them. Anyone that knows better feel free to correct me. And of course, NY is not Alaska. =D
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No one is an expert is what they are saying but someone did stay in a Holiday Inn Express at sometime or another. :lol:
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Haven't read all the responses, but here my setup for WA salmon and steelhead fishing.
Echo2 8wt rod. It's a 4 piece rod that came with two tips. One gives a 9'6" overall length, the other gives a 10' length. Shorter for better accuracy, longer for more power and casting distance.
Reel is a Sage 1680.
Line is the Rio Versi-Tip. This is a great choice as you can change the tip of the fly line to get variable sink rates. A fast flowing deep river would require a faster sinking line than a slow flowing shallow river or lake.
I can't remember what it cost to get that whole set up, but all up it was probably in the region of $600 NIB.
I might be willing to rent it to you at mates rates. Leaders, tippets, flys, etc will be on you.
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try not to hook a Palin, the media will name you a god. then you will go to, ummm ahhh hades. :laugh: :angel:
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Oh yeah, I've also got a Temple Forks Outfitters TiCr 6wt rod with a Ross CLA3 reel. Also a 4 piece. I'd have to double check but I think it's a 9' rod. Line is IIRC the Rio Aqua Lux (sinking line).
BTW that Versi-Tip line is a floating line except for the interchangable tips. Those are 9' long and there are, I think, 6 of them. Floating, neutral, and 4 rates of sinking.
With my new job getting ready to start I won't be able to do too much fishing for a little while. If you want to borrow one or both of them just let me know.
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One time we caught a couple in a little step-across brook.
The salmon were so big that their red backs were out of the water.
Casting wasn't much of an issue. :lol:
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Alaska Flyfishing
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15 (http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15)
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skip the fly gear. You're not going to become proficient and practiced in a week. go with spinning gear.
Find out what spinning lures, etc they use up there.
Spinning gear and a few casting floats make a good compromise when you're in places that are good for topwater stuff. Dry flies are next to impossible with that setup, but poppers work well. I do it that way when I just can't avoid a headwind and still need a little distance.
Practice the rigging before you leave. It's tricky enough on the couch, let alone doing it for the first time while wading.
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Coho flies are what we use.
http://www.alaskaflyfishingonline.com/afb/cohoflies.html
The salmon don't feed in fresh water, the idea isn't to "snag" them (we use big weighted treble hooks for that) but to present the fly in front of them so they snap at it either out of instinct or annoyance.
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Ah, I see. Apparently they do snag a few in Pulaski, I understand there's a warden right there to ensure it was a mouth catch and not a snag. I remember they had to be caught by the mouth or you tossed them back. I do remember those guys getting all their leaders set up before they left and talking about "chartreuse" being the hot color that year. :lol:
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What species of salmon? An 8wt rod with a fast or moderate fast action will do for just about everything but kings. For those you should probably go up one or two. Most folks I know have an 11wt as a dedicated king salmon rod. An 8 will handle an average king, but you're going to have to fight him a little longer.
Purple egg-sucking leech on a 6/0 hook is the only thing you need to know, although other egg patterns are good for getting the trout, dollies and grayling that are following the salmon upstream and feeding on their eggs.
What area or river system are you going to be on?
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We hope to be Silver Salmon fishing on the Copper River delta.
From what I have gathered y'all suggest an 8wt rod in at least 9ft length..
I have found a pretty decent qty. of choices.
Cortland Outfit (http://flydepot.com/flyfishing/cortland-bass-salmon-steelhead-fly-fishing-outfit/pid--1203/)
Redington Crosswater Outfit (http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_90948_175001003_175000000_175001000_175-1-3#BVQAWidgetID)
I also have found some cabela's and bass pro ones for $100-$130 that are 8 wt 9ft outfits.
I guess at my price range one is as good as another? (Cabelas wind River outfit is an example of low priced but meets specs)
Also Are most reels interchangeable for retrieve. I am left handed and would prefer a left handed setup outfit but (I guess that's right retrieve?)
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Sumpnz - I appreciate the offer however We are looking at 3 setups and honestly not sure if they would come back in as good shape as lent/rented out. None of us are proficient at fly fishing. Heck this is all early stages of planning too. The most fly fishing any of us has done is an entire day of drifting down the Kenai and having the guide show us rudamentary basics. Thats what got me interested That was one of the best days fishing in my life. Fly fishing takes alot of concentration and is so different...you can feel the tiniest fish fighting so much more than with a spincast
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Every reel I own swings both ways (heh). Just pull out all the line and rewind it as a lefty. I did that mid river once trailing the line behind the boat in the current after I realized when I replaced my fly line the weekend before I did it left handed for some reason.
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I'm hesitant to tell you to spend that much money for a one time trip. When you count in the other gear you really should have, you're going to be over $200+ just in fly gear. You can get a good spinning outfit for $50.
That said, go with the Cableas. Its probably just rebranded anyways. I've got two Cableas branded setups that I love.
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The problem too with buying cheap fly gear like that is that if you hook into one fairly large and energetic fish you can completely trash the reel trying to land it. The general rule of "you get what you pay for" applies to fly fishing gear just like everything else. I'd be hesitant to use a reel cheap enough that it plus the rod was still under $150. You can get away with budget rods much more easilly than with budget reels. For a trip like that I'd be personally looking for at least $150 reels. There's really no need to get into the $600+ reels, but under $100 and I'd be worried about them lasting through the trip.
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Every reel I own swings both ways (heh).
:laugh:
Some reels you may have to disassemble (easy) and reverse a ring, but I'm not sure if any but the absolute cheapest don't let you swap retrieve. I'm left-handed as well, so swap retrieve on all my reels.
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:laugh:
Some reels you may have to disassemble (easy) and reverse a ring, but I'm not sure if any but the absolute cheapest don't let you swap retrieve. I'm left-handed as well, so swap retrieve on all my reels.
Yep. I'm actually right handed, but I hold the rod in my right hand and reel with my left hand. Had to do exactly what you describe to switch the action in my 3wt reel.
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Yep. I'm actually right handed, but I hold the rod in my right hand and reel with my left hand. Had to do exactly what you describe to switch the action in my 3wt reel.
Doesn't everyone right handed do it that way?
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The problem too with buying cheap fly gear like that is that if you hook into one fairly large and energetic fish you can completely trash the reel trying to land it. The general rule of "you get what you pay for" applies to fly fishing gear just like everything else. I'd be hesitant to use a reel cheap enough that it plus the rod was still under $150. You can get away with budget rods much more easilly than with budget reels. For a trip like that I'd be personally looking for at least $150 reels. There's really no need to get into the $600+ reels, but under $100 and I'd be worried about them lasting through the trip.
I thought you were supposed to play the fish with your hand on the line ???
Anyway...
Keep his head up!
Get the gaff! Get the gaff!
Keep his head up, you fool!
:O
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Doesn't everyone right handed do it that way?
Surprisingly, it seems alot of people don't, and instead crank with their strong hand.
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That said, go with the Cableas. Its probably just rebranded anyways. I've got two Cableas branded setups that I love.
Is Sony guts.
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I thought you were supposed to play the fish with your hand on the line ???
That depends how big the fish is... big difference between a brook trout and a king salmon! :)
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That depends how big the fish is... big difference between a brook trout and a king salmon! :)
Yep. A big fish will use up all the slack line and then you're reeling to get the fish in.
Plus, a really big fish can spool your line if the reel isn't up to the run. I've talked to guys that have bent the arbors on their reels when they had one that was undersized and they tried to stop a run before getting spooled.
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O.K. Guys I am revisiting this thread because I need some advice. I have narrowed it down to 2 choices for Fly Fishing equipment
I know they are not top of the line or even middle of the line products but this is to supplement spincasting so I am not gonna spend a ton...
Heck I could get the cheapest Cabelas Cahill outfit for $69 but want something a bit nicer...
I am thinking either this Cortland travel outfit (http://www.cortlandline.com/products/default.asp?id=148) or this Ross Worldwide Essence Outfit (http://www.rossreels.com/products/fly-fishing-outfits/essence-outfit.cfm)
The Ross setup doesn't have the case but I found a place with a sale for the rod and pre-spooled reel$99 so the case will bring it up to just under the cortlands price..
The differences as far as I can tell are Cortland has graphite frame and the Ross has all aluminum frame...
Advice or input?
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As far as brands go, my impression is that, for the price, Ross is a better brand than Cortland. Cortland, though, is certainly not bad.
I've still got a St Croix rod and Cortland reel that was a package deal when I took a fly fishing class as the CC in Eugene, OR. It's OK, but I'd like something nicer, especially for a reel. No idea if the new Cortland reels are better than what I bought 14 years ago, though I would expect them to be.
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Hey guys more fishing advice. I have my Fly Outfit thanks to the advice of this thread. Ended up buying a Ross Worldwide essence setup at super good deal ($100) So my fly fishing needs have been met.
HOWEVER My Spinning equipment just won't do. I pulled it out of storage and realized, well its crap. Its good for the rivers around here and the little things in the rivers but anything bigger than a couple lb bass or a trout... nadda.
So I am wanting a nice heavier setup for not only my salmon trip but general use and some saltwater use.
I see cabelas has a great rod that is a 3 piece called the saltstriker costs $99.
7' in length
medium/fast action
I just don't know what line weight I would need. They offer 2 choices:
1st choice 8-15 weight line / Medium Power / .25 - .75 lure.
2nd choice 10-20 weight line / Medium Heavy Power / .25 - 1oz lure.
Since everything I know is really small lake or small fish river fishing What which would be the better choice a good all around Salmon fihsing and saltwater use rod...? The Expertise is appriciated.
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The heavier line would be the better choice. The balancing act is between capacity and strength. The newer lines are thinner for the same strength and reduce the risk of the fish spooling you.
You can find heavy salmon combos up here that are more than sufficient in any store for not much money ($50). No need to fly one up with you. You can get an idea of the requirements and then buy "quality" if you decide you want to invest.
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if you go for braided line, a pair of gloves(with or without fingers) is a really good idea. stuff cuts like a blade. :facepalm: