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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Declaration Day on March 26, 2010, 11:06:45 AM
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I know this topic is better suited for THR. I don't hang out there any more, but I did pop in a minute ago and the search function is not working for me.
I've been looking at the Ruger SP-101 for a while: http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/models.html
I handled one in a local gun shop about two weeks ago, and I was thoroughly impressed. Several local shops have them in stock, but almost all of those have the laser grips, which I do not want. I've found the SP101 online for as little as $450, but by the time I pay shipping and transfer costs, I'll be saving very little.
Two questions: If you own one, how do you like it? Any flaws, drawbacks, problems, etc.?
Is $525 a decent price for the .357 w/ 2-1/4" barrel? One local shop has it on the shelf for that price.
Thanks!
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I had one ten years ago. Very good gun, very well built.
Hurts to shoot .357 out of it, though. It felt like the recoil would slam the gun straight back into my palms, and after ten rounds I thought I was going to have bruised hands. In a crisis, you wouldn't notice, I suppose. .38 was plenty mild.
Ultimately, I sold it because I wanted something flatter for concealed carry.
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I bought mine about 7 years ago for $375. It's a .357 with 3" barrel.
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It tends to stay in the safe all winter in deference to either a CZ-75 or 1911 Commander, but despite my most deliberate intents to always carry an automatic, there's just times that when summer comes around, I can conceal the grip of the little SP infinitely more easily than ANY automatic I have, including a smallish PA-63 in 9x18mak.
It is the first gun I cut my teeth on, in regards to concealed carry. It's back out of the safe as of about a week ago and on my hip again, riding in a CompTAC CTAC IWB holster.
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I can hit a torso-sized target with it out to 50-60 yards with it. It handles nearly the same as a full-sized revolver in regards to length of trigger pull and feel of recoil. I tend to load it with mid-to-light .357 offerings or .38 reloads. Fierce .357 loads hurt due to the fact that the factory grips allow your middle knuckle to mash against the back side of the trigger guard.
I've got 2-3k rounds through mine at this point. About a year ago, I went to replace the springs with some Wolff ones with lower strength. I actually liked the broken-in factory springs better and put them back in.
Never a FTF. Lent it to a friend once and he reported a hammer failure, but it turned out to be him short-stroking the trigger return since he's used to a Dan Wesson M15 with a very different trigger. I've bound it up only once with reloads, due to a high primer. Learned my lesson and life has been great since.
Shoot it. Shoot it some more. Then a bit more. It just keeps getting better with age.
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Thanks for the quick replies, guys.
That's a very nice wood grip on yours, AZ. If I buy one I will probably get a black rubber Hogue grip for practical reasons.
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You can get a lighter, more accurate, more ergonomic 5-shot revolver. I don't think you'll find a more dependable or durable 5-shot wheelgun. If you don't mind the weight and you want a rugged gun, the SP 101 is the way to go. I can't speak to price, although 5-plus bills seems a bit high.
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They're creeping up into the high 4s, low 5s here as well.
Chris
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I can't speak to price, although 5-plus bills seems a bit high.
Ok then, maybe I'll check with some of the other shops and see if they'll order me one for less than $525.
I admit to being impatient; I'll usually pay a few more bucks if it means I can have it now. On the other hand, I don't particularly care for attitude of the staff at the aforementioned shop.
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Thanks for the quick replies, guys.
That's a very nice wood grip on yours, AZ. If I buy one I will probably get a black rubber Hogue grip for practical reasons.
Grips are Badgers. They are nice, but they put more recoil energy into the center of your palm than the factory ones. I've since taken them off and have put the original factory ones on. I don't have trouble with the rubber grips "grabbing" at T-shirts or anything, so they are quite serviceable.
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Last time I checked, I had three or four of them. I absolutely love my SP-101s, and one of them is my hiking/backpacking carry. They are heavy for the size, but built like a tank.
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Solid guns, everybody makes holsters for them.
I'd still shoot one before buying to confirm that you like it. From what I've seen, they are a pretty common gun at rental ranges so if you can swing by one of those for a little while...
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They are heavy for the size, but built like a tank.
I will be carrying it, but weight is not an issue. I'm a big guy and have carried a full-size 1911 around all day with no discomfort.
I'd still shoot one before buying to confirm that you like it. From what I've seen, they are a pretty common gun at rental ranges so if you can swing by one of those for a little while...
Good idea. The Gun shop 1/2 mile from me has a range and rents guns. This is also where I'll probably order mine.
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BTW I also really like the Ruger LCR, but that is only available in .38 special, and I want the option of .357 magnum.
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Another vote for Ruger's potent little powerhouse. I have one in .357/3". Built like a tank. Stays with me all the time (in the truck or house. I have an LCP that stays in my pocket 24/7).
If you get one, pop the $15 it takes for a Wolff spring kit. Use the 10# mainspring and reduced power trigger returne spring. It's like a trigger job in a box. Note that you will probably have to break out the Dremel and some Flitz if you do this. The innards on my 101 had some leftover stamping/machining marks on the camming surfaces that cause problems with trigger reset once the reduced-power spring was installed. A polish of all the surfaces cured the problem.
Brad
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Last time I checked, I had three or four of them.
If you're looking for an endorsement or seal of approval, it will be hard to top Millcreek's. =)
I paid less than $400 for mine; maybe less than $300 at a Texas gun show, but that was about 1994.
If you're willing to go bigger, you might consider the Ruger GP100.
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I bought one in 32 H&R some years back. It impressed me as a nice little gun of high quality. It's a few ounces heavier than the same sized S&W, but that is OK with me. I haven't kept up with the prices lately, so no help there.
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I've personally found Smig K frame snubs to be not that much bulkier to carry but nicer overall. That being said, can't fault the SP for what it is.
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I found a slightly used one (was ~3 months old) in 2.25 inch and .357 caliber. The price was $360, so I made like a turkey and gobbled it up!
With a pocket holster, I tuck it in a jacket pocket, especially when on the motorcycle. It's a bit heavy for pants-pocket carry. It has an OWB snap-on holster that works nicely, too. Both holsters are from Side Guard Holsters, in Minnesota.
Once Mrs. B. gets a bit more time with it, I intend to grind off the hammer spur, maybe leaving just enough to cock for SA firing. It snags too easily right now.
I like the little SP. Yeah, it's heavy for its size but it's not painful to shoot. Magnum loads make you pay close attention to how, and how well, you grip it!
If I found a couple more, I'd grab them in .22 and 9mm as well. The .327, while interesting, isn't on my "gotta have" list.
jb
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I've got a GP100, its big brother, and I love my GP 3". Its a fantastic gun.
For daily carry, one of the few guns I'd swap out my keltec for would probably be the SP101, but I want the 3" version (3 1/6" I think...)
PS: I actually own two Rugers. The other is a Security six and its a great gun, too. Despite the shorter bbl, its a good shooter.
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I had a .357 2 1/4" SP-101 and I loved it's tank-like bullet-proof heft. Holding it you definitely had the impression you had a dandy impact weapon if you expended all five shots and still had "troubles". =D
However, the circled spot where the trigger guard meets the frame on mine was a triangular point and would leave me bloody on both sides, on my index finger and my thumb, even when shooting just a cylinder or two of .38 light wadcutters. =(
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I was young, just 21-22, and it never ocurred to me I could have that spot melted/stoned down etc. I did find the Ruger factory grip to be the best, however I did find the rubber to be "grabby" causing printing problems with over-shirts etc. and with clearing a cover garment for drawing. I suppose I could have tried to wax it up somehow, although I have no idea how to do that to rubber.
I'd love to have one in .22 LR, especially if it meant it could be 8-shot or 9. If the .327 Fed Mag manages to "hang on" at least at 10mm popularity or better as a revolver round, a SP-101 with six shots of that would be no slouch, and at least in theory, provide less total recoil impulse than .38 +p, but giving terminal energy in line with medium-low end .357 mag.
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If you're looking for an endorsement or seal of approval, it will be hard to top Millcreek's. =)
So I had to go to the safe and count them: I have four: one of the originals made in .38 only, two .357 and one .22. I wish that Ruger would bring back the .22. I got it NIB on GunBroker two years ago and counted myself fortunate to get it. Not a lot of options out there for a stainless .22 revolver, which makes an excellent kit gun for our wet Pacific Northwest weather.
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I like the idea of the .38 +P Gold Dot snubbie round even in the .357 snubs.
I've not done the math but it seems like it'd be in the same general ballpark as a full bore .357 out of the shorter barrel but with a bit less muzzle flash and recoil. In the Ruger it'd be a pussycat.
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Dammit. My tax return isn't going to be as high as I thought. This leaves me with the following options:
1. Put the SP101 on a credit card. I'd rather not do that.
2. Wait until summer when I can afford to pay cash for it.
3. Sell one of my safe queens. Any interest in a 1st-gen Springfield XD .45 in Flat Dark Earth, or a parkerized Springfield Micro-compact M-1911?
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Any interest in a 1st-gen Springfield XD .45 in Flat Dark Earth
Would fifty bucks and an expired Burger King coupon do?
Brad
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Well, maybe if the coupon was valid.......
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Got one here for a free tan that hasn't expired (place closed last year though...)
Brad
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I work outdoors.
Next....
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It's $450 shipped from Bud's. All you'd add to that is your FFL's transfer fee.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70242 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70242)
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70240 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70240)
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It's $450 shipped from Bud's. All you'd add to that is your FFL's transfer fee.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70242 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70242)
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70240 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/76/products_id/70240)
Awesome, thanks. Any FFLs on this forum in SE Michigan?
EDIT: That's a cash discount price. Damn.
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Awesome, thanks. Any FFLs on this forum in SE Michigan?
EDIT: That's a cash discount price. Damn.
If you go through the checkout at buds, they have a list of FFLs they already have on file. You should take a look and see what ones are local to you.
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Bud's has always been accommodating for me. They have given the advertised price when paying with VISA debit over the phone. You can hit them with a check or a money order if you don't mind waiting a few more days as well.
Edit:
Bud's FFL list here: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php
You can always use your FFL of choice if it isn't listed though.
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Bud's has always been accommodating for me. They have given the advertised price when paying with VISA debit over the phone. You can hit them with a check or a money order if you don't mind waiting a few more days as well.
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SWMBO's 2.25" .357 has had a trigger job per the "IBOK" (no longer avail.)from Ruger Forum and a Gemini fiber Optic front sight. I love thet little gun! Carry it IWB or OWB in a pancake from Simply Rugged w/ Inside out straps. I consider myself somewhat recoil-sensitive (whimpy?) but anything less than full-house 357 are pussycats in that gun. The weight is a drawback for carry but a plus for shooting.
I'd love to have one of the .22's!!
Stay safe.
Bob
Sorry, pic are on the other computer.
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Speaking of SP-101 revolvers...
Last night, I pulled the rubber stocks (as Jeff Cooper called 'em) off mine. Inside one of them was a copper pin, about 1/16 inch diameter and 5/8 to 3/4 inch long. It sits in a recess just made to hold it.
What the heck is it?
Also, the cylinder turns quite stiffly. I tried to get a bit of CLP down the shaft to see if it would loosen up but... It has lubricant on the shaft but it's a heavy sort, causing stiffness.
Is there a way to remove the cylinder (for an amateur) and clean out the lube?
jb
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The pin is for disassembly. Here is a vid about it. You can skip ahead a couple minutes to skip some intro stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrTQ1vNjFo
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^^^ http://www.stevespages.com/pdf/ruger_sp101.pdf
It is called the disassembly pin, as seen on page 19 of the manual. You use it to block the mainspring strut during disassembly.
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The real pros throw the pin away to save on weight.
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The real pros throw the pin away to save on weight.
Or they are like me and lose the pin (security six, not sp101 but still). I replaced it with the base of a broken drill bit.
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My 6" security six came without a pin. I tucked a safety pin beneath the base of the grip frame and the trooper grips and use it for the same purpose. The trigger on mine is screwy and needs to see a gunsmith but the modular design of the internals is great.
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The trigger on mine is screwy and needs to see a gunsmith
Send it to Ruger. They fixey for free.
Brad
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I regret selling mine, with a houge grip it was a joy to shoot. One of my fave guns ever.
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Just wanted to pop in and add a +1 to the favorable comments about the SP's big brother the GP100.
My GP100 (w/Wolf springs) is an absolute joy to shoot.