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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jocassee on May 05, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
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Article: New York Who?
http://libertynewsradio.com/wire/articles5/2010/01126_New_York_Who_135529.php
A little verbose, but some interesting points.
The trendy districts, no doubt occupied by middle-level executives of the sort who planned the bankrupting of Greece, and Birmingham, Alabama, are not the only ones with blood on their hands. No, every single denizen of that island, and surrounding boroughs, is there for one specific reason: the hope that some of the bloody slop will leak into their troughs as well. Everyone, down to the least cab driver or street performer or toll officer, is there by choice for their chance at the brass ring.
Did terrorists attack Idaho? Did they attack Georgia? Did they attack Arizona? Did they attack Alabama? Did they attack Texas? No. No terrorist plot could survive more than a few moments in any of those places, as long as the populace hadn't been disarmed by DC and impoverished by NYC. And had those two not conspired to fling our borders open to all comers, and flood our jobs and schools with virtual slaves, to increase their profits and power while closing doors to us, we would be living peaceably in our united States today.
Don't be a fool. Don't sacrifice yourself, or your children, for people who hope to make you their slaves as they steal your wealth, and hope that you will jump on command for a crumb of it back. Don't be led to believe that Islamists are a threat to you when our militias, suitably re-fanged, can prove otherwise. The Islamists may be a threat, but not to you. And certainly not to those souls who carried their rifles to the Potomac in April under the denigrating gaze of the island media.
Why, once states such as Arizona begin asserting themselves to defend their lives and property against invading gangs, they might get the dangerous idea to not bother sending their sons to fight for New York.
Stop fighting for the interests of the island power addicts and their pawns on the Potomac. Instead, fight back against them. Fight back smarter by turning your back on them. Simply ask, "New York? New York Who?"
So Baugh is openly advocating secession. He doesn't think Middle America needs the Crust. What say you?
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Pretty much sums up my feelings of the place.
I've always listened to people in school talk about "OMG HE'S FROM NEW YORK CITY" or "I WANNA GO TO NEW YOUR CITY" in disgust.
And when I got online and talked to people who lived here, they were baffled that I wasn't insanely jealous, and I was baffled as to why they though I should be.
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I've been to NYC and the surrounding areas on many occassions; I was based there for 5 years.
I can't stand the place.
The people are self-absorbed to the point that no one exists to them outside of their own personal 2 foot diameter sphere. That's why they are often called rude. NYers just don't give a damn about anything ouside their bubble, but they are more than eager to get inside your personal space so they can get on the bus/subway/plane/elevator before you can get off.
Whoever decided that NY is a mecca for food is an idiot. They might have a handful of good restaurants, but those will cost you a 2 hour wait and $100 just to get a table. "NY style pizza" is plain, tasteless cheese pizza that was cooked 3 hours before you ordered it, had a few canned mushrooms and slimy pepperoni added, and then was slightly warmed in an oven for 30 seconds. But at least it's cheap and available anywhere at any time.
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Demagoguery is demagoguery, even when it's advocating for positions I sorta kinda favor.
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The people are self-absorbed to the point that no one exists to them outside of their own personal 2 foot diameter sphere. That's why they are often called rude. NYers just don't give a damn about anything ouside their bubble, but they are more than eager to get inside your personal space so they can get on the bus/subway/plane/elevator before you can get off.
Oh, I dunno if it's that bad. The one time I went to NYC (weekend trip with my wife and kid), everyone was pretty pleasant to us. While reading directions to find some landmark my wife wanted to visit, a guy in a suit, obviously a fatcat, asked us if we needed help.
Maybe we were there on a weekend when the entire city was in a good mood.
Chris
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probably the day after a cheech and chong show. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8IQnHFKTA) :O they're touring again, [popcorn] chong must be broke after getting busted. =|
http://www.cheechandchongtour.com/splash.html
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The people are self-absorbed to the point that no one exists to them outside of their own personal 2 foot diameter sphere.
As my father says, "They think their *expletive deleted*it doesn't stink"
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Screw the coasts, screw the Northeast. Let them choke on their workers paradise. I don't want to tell them how to live, and only ask the same courtesy from them. I'll take the fly over states and be happy with our unwashed ignorance.
Jeff B.
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Most of Upstate would like to separate NYS into two states, with NYC and surrounding areas being separate from the rest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstate_New_York This is where I live
I can say that with confidence too because the paper I work for ran a poll last time the issue came up.
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The upstaters I've met have been thorough-going hillbillies. In a (mostly) good way.
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The upstaters I've met have been thorough-going hillbillies. In a (mostly) good way.
Pretty much what I've gathered, as well.
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Went to grad school in Rochester, NY; met a lot of good people there, and I still keep in touch with a few.
I used to go to New York City quite a bit on business - the only good people I met there were from someplace else. . . . Whoever decided that NY is a mecca for food is an idiot . . .
I never purchased anything from any of New York's famous pushcart vendors . . . I didn't like the aroma of the camel-dung fires they used to heat their wares. [barf]
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Honestly, the problem isn't the coasts.
The schism is urban vs. rural. (Suburban splits, leaning rural I believe).
Honestly, if we made the major urban centers into independent cities like Hong Kong was, our country would be saved.
Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Houston, Denver, Boston.
That's 10 cities off the top of my head. Now think how much the political situation would change if those cities no longer had political influence on the affairs of the United States.
California: Probably still at least one democrat senator, but I'd bet a split with one Dem, on Rep. Obviously house balance significantly changed.
New York: Much the same.
Georgia: Even more conservative
Illinois: Two conservative republican senators. Conservatively balanced house representation.
Michigan: Not a hellhole any longer.
Missouri: Even more conservative.
Texas: Same as Missouri.
Colorado: More conservatively tilted.
Massachussets: Same a New York.
Without those 10 urban centers, I'd bet we'd have a nearly completely free country. We'd be arguing over farm subsidies and tariffs.
On the whole, I find that a much better situation. Politics should be boring. Political decisions aside from going to war should not be something that I fear how it's going to cripple my children's lives.
Instead, we get politics where our very economic future depends on what happens in the next few elections. (I've done the math, that's not hyperbole.)
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Ahhh . . . Country bumpkins hating on NYC?
Envy much ??
:laugh:
The people are self-absorbed to the point that no one exists to them outside of their own personal 2 foot diameter sphere. That's why they are often called rude. NYers just don't give a damn about anything ouside their bubble, but they are more than eager to get inside your personal space so they can get on the bus/subway/plane/elevator before you can get off.
Funny, you have no idea how many people I give directions to in the city every day, and 90% of those are tourists. Yea we get tourists from all over the world, but a lot of them are Americans. I see New Yorkers giving directions to tourists everyday, in fact its a hassle sometimes when I'm running back from my lunch break and 3 different people stop me to ask how to get to Times Square, The Empire State Building, or so and so train station. We're generally not rude, (oh but be sure I've meet my share) but everyone's in a rush, if you think that's being rude, oh well. Second if you've ever been on a train in NYC you'd know, YOU HAVE NO PERSONAL SPACE ON A TRAIN! Yea it sucks its hot and crowded, but it moves millions of people around a city everyday efficiently, does your city have a mass transit system to move than many people around?
Whoever decided that NY is a mecca for food is an idiot . . .
You have no idea where to eat, try looking in ANY restaurant guide. Half the fun of exploring NYC is finding the good places to eat!
Ah and you guys this secession talk makes you all Patriots!
To me it sounds and about as unpatriotic as you can get without advocating open war on the U.S. Yea we don't like certain aspect of this country so lets tear it apart! Sounds like the bellyaching of a child. But yea go back to thinking all your woes are because of the fringe states, I know our politicians leave much to be desired from but seriously, your the majority of the country you can't unify to block the stupid crap that comes from idiot politicians? And you want to secede?
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Ahhh . . . Country bumpkins hating on NYC?
Envy much ??
Get over yourself. No one is envious of you for living in a big city.
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I know our politicians leave much to be desired from but seriously, your the majority of the country you can't unify to block the stupid crap that comes from idiot politicians? And you want to secede?
There are fundamental differences in philosophy of government between right and left. As a nation we are more divided now than we were in 1860.
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Ahhh . . . Country bumpkins hating on NYC?
Envy much ??
There it is again.
lol.
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Massive taxes.
Corrupt cops.
Filthy streets.
High crime.
Severe limitations on personal liberty.
Insanely high cost of living.
Man, what's not to love? I'm feeling envious already...
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Massive taxes.
Corrupt cops.
Filthy streets.
High crime.
Severe limitations on personal liberty.
Insanely high cost of living.
Man, what's not to love? I'm feeling envious already...
Yeah man, but you don't get it. It's the culture man, the CULTURE! Like, I can have Ethiopian food delivered at 4am if I wanted to! :eyeroll:
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Massive taxes.
Corrupt cops.
Filthy streets.
High crime.
Severe limitations on personal liberty.
Insanely high cost of living.
Man, what's not to love? I'm feeling envious already...
You forgot all the pollution.
And doesn't it really stink there?
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Massive taxes.
Corrupt cops.
Filthy streets.
High crime.
Severe limitations on personal liberty.
Insanely high cost of living.
Man, what's not to love? I'm feeling envious already...
You forgot a few more things about NYC . . .
Crazy traffic
Massive crowds
Noise
The smell, man, the smell.
What's not to love indeed . . .
:laugh:
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Screw the coasts, screw the Northeast. Let them choke on their workers paradise. I don't want to tell them how to live, and only ask the same courtesy from them. I'll take the fly over states and be happy with our unwashed ignorance.
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Sigh. You do realize the state with likely the most open gun laws is in the Northeast (Vermont)? Pennsylvania (except Philly and sprawl), New York (except NYC and sprawl), Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine (except Portland and sprawl) are very nice places. Folks aren't insane and generally mind their own business. They are most likely less impressed with workers' paradises than you are.
That said, even in the cities (and I've been to every major one in the Northeast, Jeff), it's not as bad as gentleman with a potential rabies infection in the original post is claiming. There are REALLY bad cities like Baltimore and Camden/Trenton. The big cities like NYC, Boston, Philly, DC have enough redeeming features that they are worth visiting. Boston and Philly for history, NYC for museums and art, DC for the Fedland monuments. I hate Philly as much as the next Pennsylvanian, but at the end of the day it still has the Mutter and Rodin Museums in addition to Independence Hall.
You can pry La Porte de l'Enfer from my cold dead hands, bro.
The problem is that the really whacked out folks are supported by a larger number of semi-moderate folks. The semi-moderate folks don't have the cash or ideological fervor to spend every second of the day on politics. So a mere handful of the truly obsessed wield a disproportionate amount of power. They sympathize with fragments of their ideology over the other ideology. This is both parties, mind you.
Jeff, I'd be willing to guess that you'd support roughly 1 in a 100 laws your party puts forth. If you had the time to read them, which not even the politicians do. The party you drastically seem to oppose, I'd be willing to bet you'd support .8 in a 100 laws they pass. If you did more resource, you'd notice at the end of the day, both parties have very different spoken ideology but the ideology of their laws are only different by a fraction of a percentage. Often, not even that. You have one huge wedge bill like Obamacare for every TEN THOUSAND bills that get passed without a peep from anyone.
Ahhh . . . Country bumpkins hating on NYC?
Envy much ??
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I've been to NYC more than a few times. I've also been to dozens of other major cities. It has its nice features, including the grub I will concede. I've really enjoyed the galleries and museums. I love hanging out in Chinatown. But... you're just another big city. And not nearly as exotic as Savannah, San Fran, Vegas or Portland. Population density by itself does not impress me.
Then again, there's reasons why I live in Lancaster instead of NYC. First is, I have an Uzi in my safe, literally within stone's throw I can go buy produce from a farmer's stand that was grown right behind the stand, there's a half dozen vineyards within 20m drive, and I haven't taken longer than 60 seconds to find a parking spot in front of a store in probably six months. No NYC'er can say the same.
Some folks really dig the concrete jungle. More power to them. There's nothing wrong with that. I've been to those concrete jungles more than a few times on safari. I prefer being near grass, trees and mountains. It's been painful to turn down six fig jobs in order to keep the grass, trees, Uzi's and mountains, but at the end of the day, I believe it is worth it for myself.
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Jeff, I'd be willing to guess that you'd support roughly 1 in a 100 laws your party puts forth. If you had the time to read them, which not even the politicians do. The party you drastically seem to oppose, I'd be willing to bet you'd support .8 in a 100 laws they pass. If you did more resource, you'd notice at the end of the day, both parties have very different spoken ideology but the ideology of their laws are only different by a fraction of a percentage. Often, not even that. You have one huge wedge bill like Obamacare for every TEN THOUSAND bills that get passed without a peep from anyone.
We need to stop paying congress and only allow them to work 2 months a year. I'll be happy to pay transportation and housing costs for those 2 months.
They need to have real jobs so they don't have to justify spending so much time in Washington by passing laws that we don't need.
We already have FAR MORE LAWS than any person could possible know.
When your laws are unknowable, it's only a short trip from there to people not caring what the law is... (kinda like much of Europe.)
Corruption and disregard for the law is REALLY BAD for a society. Creates instability and enforcement based on connections and influence.
We don't want that. I'd go so far to say that almost NO ONE wants that. Yet that's where we're going.
(Note, this favors the rich far more than a market society. Yet the party driving us there claims they want to help the poor... I'm sure they'll appreciate that "help")
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Keep hating we love it =D
Can see an I <3 NY shirt anywhere in the world, but yea your cities are so much superior. You guys have some really warped views of NYC, well aside from gun laws (which really are that bad) but its cool revel in your perceptions.
Massive taxes.
Yea you got that right.
Corrupt cops.
Considering we have a police force larger that some small countries ARMIES, yea that's to be expected.
Filthy streets.
Not in Manhattan, not really anywhere generally, except the really bad areas
High crime.
Not based on population, where one of the safest big cities in the world.
Severe limitations on personal liberty.
Besides gun laws what are you talking about?
Insanely high cost of living.
Uh, yea your right on that one too,
Crazy traffic
Best mass transit system in the world arguably though
Massive crowds
Eh, I like people and hustle and bustle some don't. Personal preference.
Noise
Its not really that noisy.
The smell, man, the smell.
Oh that's just plain wrong. Were not New Jersey and please don't confuse the two again. There the one's that smell!
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No one is "hating" on the city, unless you consider "not fawning in adoration" hating. But then, I suppose you do.
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No one is "hating" on the city, unless you consider "not fawning in adoration" hating. But then, I suppose you do.
He still thinks we're secretly jealous.
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High crime.
Not based on population, where one of the safest big cities in the world.
Don't you also have more cops per capita than most anywhere in the US?
Honestly, few people down here give damn about New York good or bad. If some of the news shows were't broadcasting from there, it just wouldn't come up.
I used to live in Houston. They have buses for mass transit. Trains of any kind for mass transit are not cost effective and don't work compared to the money they cost to build. Does the New York system pay for itself? I seem to remember it doesn't, but it does better than systems elsewhere in the US. That is probably one of the few places in the US where the population density might support a train system. IMO, Houston is way too spread out to make a fixed transit system work. I'm happy with that.
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Also, just to throw this out there: No clue how work safe these are:
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/green-living/free-ride-the-five-best-mass-transit-systems-worldwide/1095
http://www.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-public-transit-systems.html
http://kathika.com/public-transportation/
http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/02/transportation-tuesday-top-10-cities-for-public-transit/
Just a minute or two in Google. Hard to argue it's the best in the world when the entire world seems to always put it in the middle.
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No one is "hating" on the city, unless you consider "not fawning in adoration" hating. But then, I suppose you do.
I guess Fly302's & Jeff B.'s comments are what you consider an "objective point of view" . ;/
Funny how no one's commenting on how what I said about how unpatriotic and adolescent people sound when they start advocating secession but yea go ahead and keep harping on the "New York sucks" angle it really proves your point.
Addition:
Ok I should have said one of the best mass transit systems in the world. Better?
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We aren't harping, we're refuting your assertion that we're jealous we don't live in your craphole city.
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You are jealous just admit it. >:D
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You are jealous just admit it. >:D
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This would be the arrogance people are referring to in the "I h8 NYC" rants.
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Your sarcasm meter is broked. :P
Ok I'm done having my fun. =D
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Your sarcasm meter is broked. :P
Ok I'm done having my fun. =D
I hope you don't think you've ruffled our feathers or upset us in anyway.
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Funny how no one's commenting on how what I said about how unpatriotic and adolescent people sound when they start advocating secession
You're possibly thinking of secession as in 1860s US. Think of it as Czechoslovakia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Czechoslovakia) circa 1992. Not some silly revolution where deer hunters take potshots at an M1 Abrams. Though the image of bowhunters firing on an armored vehicle is hilarious.
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Fresh air!
Times Square!
The chores!
The stores!
=D
advocating secession
I have absolutely no problem if NYC wants to secede. :cool:
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Ahhh . . . Country bumpkins hating on NYC?
Ah, to be a country bumpkin again. I'll get around to visiting NYC one day, but only after I've found a nice home in the country again.
Ya just gotta love the rural life, man. When the sun goes down, it actually gets dark!! There are stars! You can see them! And when you walk around outside, there is grass under your feet! How amazing! Trees! Life!
Rant off.
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Keep hating we love it =D
Can see an I <3 NY shirt anywhere in the world, but yea your cities are so much superior. You guys have some really warped views of NYC, well aside from gun laws (which really are that bad) but its cool revel in your perceptions.
You can see Apple, Prius, HK and other similar products around the world too. I understand you are just entertaining yourself. However with your statement of the NY t-shirts, just remember that those t-shirts were likely outsold by Pet Rocks. Which means exactly nothing, it's just marketing.
I'm quite sure you have a million reasons to love NYC. I'm sure the majority of them are absolutely true, to you. Otherwise you'd have moved. However, folks have thousands of legitimate criticisms. Each one of them is absolutely true, to them. In my own mind, one attribute can make Centralia, PA vastly superior to NYC by a rational standard. For me, it happens to be the gun laws thing you dismiss. But the taxes, crime, cost of living, traffic, and crowds are all equally valid rational and objective metrics. Secondary concerns for me, but again, all reasonably valid.
Thought on the smell. NYC does smell. Not NEARLY as bad as NJ, I agree with ya. The air is more stale, tons of routine industrial pollutants, etc. It'll never compare to being way out in the middle of nowhere with trees and grassland as far as the eye can see. It's all in what you're used to, perhaps the air of the wilderness would mess with you the way concrete jungles mess with me.
With a few exemptions, no one here likely hates NYC. They dislike your fanboy comments. Same way they'd dislike Glock, HK, Prius, Mac, etc fanboy comments. It's not even you. It's the smug aura of a reasonable quality product (or concrete jungle) with an overpaid marketing staff being more than it is. A Glock or an HK is a perfectly acceptable polymer frame weapon, capable of reasonably accuracy and ergonomics. NYC is a perfectly acceptable concrete jungle, capable of many positive attributes and economics. You can scream that your car/gun/computer/jungle is the bestest ever made on the WHOLE WIDE world! The rest of us will smile kindly (hopefully, folks, remember, this is armed POLITE society), metaphorically pat you on the head, and move on with the perfect understanding that is a perfectly acceptable product of average quality.
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Fresh air!
Times Square!
The chores!
The stores!
=D
Now you've done it. You dredged "Purple Acres" out of the depths of my memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI8NghXvNls
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Fresh air!
Times Square!
The chores!
The stores!
=D
Arnold Ziffle would be right at home in NYC. :lol:
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I feel more anger and annoyance at NYC and the Tri State Area in general (that's New York City, Philly, and most of New Jersey)
than I do for California.
I lived in the Tri State Area for most of the first half of my life, until age 12. I spent another large part of my life in Northern California.
California gets a lot of hateful and snide attention (not that it's not deserved) but the real hotbed of stupidity, corruption, and nanny-statism is the Tri-State Area, and the east coast from Boston to northern Virginia in general.
I know many people in California that would agree with everyone here about guns, but I know of nobody back east that does. California has some value and hope. The east coast has NONE.
I've been back to California countless times, and will probably continue to go. The only times I've been back to the east coast was for my sister's graduation, and when I was forced to for business reasons.
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I'm sure the PA and VA APS'ers will be interested in your assessment Nitro.
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I'm sure the PA and VA APS'ers will be interested in your assessment Nitro.
On the money. There is a corridor between DC and Boston of "occupied territory". DC, north to Baltimore, north east to Philly, take a hard right to NJ, then head north to NYC, take another right into CT, then straight on to Boston.
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On the money. There is a corridor between DC and Boston of "occupied territory". DC, north to Baltimore, north east to Philly, take a hard right to NJ, then head north to NYC, take another right into CT, then straight on to Boston.
Speaking for Va, a lot of the great strides we have made in recent years have come from folks in the NoVa region.
To be as "anti" as NoVa is perceived to be, our gunshows are frequently jammed and we have a bunch of gun shops. Most folks tend to be either Pro or at least not anti.
Chris
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Speaking for Va, a lot of the great strides we have made in recent years have come from folks in the NoVa region.
To be as "anti" as NoVa is perceived to be, our gunshows are frequently jammed and we have a bunch of gun shops. Most folks tend to be either Pro or at least not anti.
Chris
Fairfax County has the highest number of concealed carry licenses in the state of Virginia.
I've always explained that NoVA is where the people who have to work in (or near) DC, but aren't crazy gun haters, choose to live.
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Not to mention NoVa is just amazing historically and visually/nature...ly.
Have I ever mentioned how much I liked fishing in the Shenandoah?
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I guess Fly302's & Jeff B.'s comments are what you consider an "objective point of view" . ;/
Well, I think I'm objective. =D
Really, I can't stand New York, and the people there are to blame. I've visited every major city in the US, and several in Europe, but only NYC sucks the life out of me and turns me bitter at the thought of going there.
If you like it, more power to you. If NH affects you the same way NYC affects me, I have no problem with that, because I know we all have our preferences.
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I'm sure the PA and VA APS'ers will be interested in your assessment Nitro.
VA south of, say Richmond, and PA west of say, Allentown are the edges of occupied territory, at least back when I lived there, which was AGES ago. I think "occupied territory" in Virginia has made it as far north as DC now, but I am not sure.
I used to like New York City until I moved near San Francisco. San Francisco is full of liberals, but down to the bone they are good people, just misguided. There's intelligence there, and a love of freedom there, just some misguided ideas. It's hard to explain unless you've actually BEEN and LIVED there. New York City is gone. The people there are way too far gone to be of help.
While the governments of both cities look similar, the people are quite different. In SF, they still value freedom. The liberal government takes too many cues from the liberals in NYC.
Then again, perhaps I'll admit that it's wishful thinking. I still have love for California, especially the Bay Area, and would love to see it come around to my new breed of Liberalism: Texas's business friendly atmosphere, with the Bay Area's social libertarianism, and "anything goes" atmosphere. That'd be paradise to me.
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you know i just remembered one good thing about new york, new york. it's home of B&HPhoto (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/).
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VA south of, say Richmond, and PA west of say, Allentown are the edges of occupied territory, at least back when I lived there, which was AGES ago. I think "occupied territory" in Virginia has made it as far north as DC now, but I am not sure.
I used to like New York City until I moved near San Francisco. San Francisco is full of liberals, but down to the bone they are good people, just misguided. There's intelligence there, and a love of freedom there, just some misguided ideas. It's hard to explain unless you've actually BEEN and LIVED there. New York City is gone. The people there are way too far gone to be of help.
While the governments of both cities look similar, the people are quite different. In SF, they still value freedom. The liberal government takes too many cues from the liberals in NYC.
Then again, perhaps I'll admit that it's wishful thinking. I still have love for California, especially the Bay Area, and would love to see it come around to my new breed of Liberalism: Texas's business friendly atmosphere, with the Bay Area's social libertarianism, and "anything goes" atmosphere. That'd be paradise to me.
Again, NoVA is not occupied territory. Maryland is occupied territory. NoVA is contested territory.
We'll see how well contested this election cycle.
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yikes! I am a native New Yorker, born in Manhattan and I miss it ... sometimes.
I would love to be able to visit for a summer and make some easy money, meet some single women, take guitar lessons from my old friends, get some falafels and pizza- but I wouldn't live there again.
I'm not visiting until our side wins national ccw reciprocity.
The stats on safety are just a big lie, all it means is that crime is unreported & folks no enough to stay outta certain neighborhoods.