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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: roo_ster on June 03, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
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Beware: visually-induced nasal lavage warning, level two.
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Courtesy of:
http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2010/06/fast-roping-101.html
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I haven't laughed that hard in a while. :laugh: =D
Reminds me of the saying "It is generally inadvisable to bail out over the area you just bombed." :laugh:
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I have to admire the testicular construction of the IDF grunts who, armed with a paint ball gun and a pistol, fast roped onto a ship loaded with armed goons.
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LMAO on the fast Rope 101!
I don't know if I admire them or think they need to talk a mental health professional. Either way, it was a heck of a thing to do.
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Is there some real-life event that inspired this?
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Is there some real-life event that inspired this?
http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/06/04/israel-turkey-flotilla-gaza.html
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:lol:
CS gas FTW.
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Anyone else get a chuckle that the ship was named the Rachel Corrie ....
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Anyone else get a chuckle that the ship was named the Rachel Corrie ....
Holy St. Pancake, Batman!
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Anyone else get a chuckle that the ship was named the Rachel Corrie ....
I believe that's the NEXT ship trying to beak the blockade.
Personally, I am COMPLETELY opposed to the Israelis boarding these ships. It's inhumane and totally unneccesary.
Just sink them.
After a while, ship owners won't let people try to run the blockade.
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Good old Bibi and his gangster Foreign Minister (literally - a "nightclub" owner from Moldova) at it again.
I love this, they managed to outrage the planet by gunning down the passengers on food ships, and this is celebrated by Israel supporters as showing toughness.
It would be interesting to find out if any of the people who fast-roped onto the vessels were in the same units that ran screaming for their lives from a bunch of Lebanese villagers in the brilliant post-war "secret mission".
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...by gunning down the passengers on food ships, and this is celebrated by Israel supporters as showing toughness.
Have you seen any of the video on this, or just read the New York Times?
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Have you seen any of the video on this, or just read the New York Times?
Yes, I saw the Israeli-approved video (that's most of what came out - you do realise Israel is enforcing a censorship order at the moment and has confiscated all video and camera equipment from the vessels, right?) and also read the accounts of the Aussie reporters who were assaulted in the course of the raids.
Question: Why did Israel impose a censorship order, banning people from releasing any video or reports about this without military approval, if it was so obviously self-defense?
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I love this, they managed to outrage the planet by gunning down the passengers on food ships, and this is celebrated by Israel supporters as showing toughness.
Don't be a pinhead. My post & image were both in humor and a criticism.
Some of their supporters (namely me) are quite disappointed in the execution of the operation.
I figure that the Israelis will be accused of atrocity whatever they do, so they ought to do what inspires fear and doubt in their opponents. Sink the boat, set it afire, the Rainbow Warrior treatment, whatever(0). It will also give the howling fools something real to howl about, rather than the usual Pali fiction like, say, Jenin.
Also, only 9 killed? A pretty good sign, given the numbers aboard and their reactions, that the Izzies were using kid gloves. One frag in that mob would have killed as many or more than that. Were I in that helo, looking down at those jackals, I'd have dropped my load-out of frags to clear the deck before letting any of my men fast rope on to the ship.
(0) I'd be partial to sinking it far out at sea.
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Please tell me no one expected any less from ShootinStudent?
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Please tell me no one expected any less from ShootinStudent?
AHA !! Didn't recognize him with the new moniker.....
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Don't be a pinhead. My post & image were both in humor and a criticism.
Some of their supporters (namely me) are quite disappointed in the execution of the operation.
I figure that the Israelis will be accused of atrocity whatever they do, so they ought to do what inspires fear and doubt in their opponents. Sink the boat, set it afire, the Rainbow Warrior treatment, whatever(0). It will also give the howling fools something real to howl about, rather than the usual Pali fiction like, say, Jenin.
Also, only 9 killed? A pretty good sign, given the numbers aboard and their reactions, that the Izzies were using kid gloves. One frag in that mob would have killed as many or more than that. Were I in that helo, looking down at those jackals, I'd have dropped my load-out of frags to clear the deck before letting any of my men fast rope on to the ship.
(0) I'd be partial to sinking it far out at sea.
I think that highlighted portion is exactly the truth. Everyone loves to kick the US if we screw up, but many seem to take a lot of joy in doing it to Israel even more (whether they actually screwed up or not).
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Anti-semitism is still alive and kicking, and doing so in countries I thought would have learned something after WWII and the Holocaust. It's surprising to see it so blatant in the Democrat party, though.
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Anti-semitism is still alive and kicking, and doing so in countries I thought would have learned something after WWII and the Holocaust. It's surprising to see it so blatant in the Democrat party, though.
It's the debil's fault.
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Anti-semitism is still alive and kicking, and doing so in countries I thought would have learned something after WWII and the Holocaust. It's surprising to see it so blatant in the Democrat party, though.
Well, it was the Dems & Kluxers who made the most hay about Jews back in the day.
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I believe that's the NEXT ship trying to beak the blockade.
You're late.
Rachel Corrie is safely in Ashdod Harbor in the care of our Navy.
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You're late.
Rachel Corrie is safely in Ashdod Harbor in the care of our Navy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/05/israel-rachel-corrie-gaza-ship
I wasn't at the time I posted that. (i.e. June 4) ;)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/06/gaza-blockade-iran-aid-convoy
Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy
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Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy
Yeah, because radical Islam has nothing to do with the "humanitarian" convoys.
Obama and the European countries who are letting Israel twist in the wind had better get their acts together. An Israeli/Iranian war will tank all of the fragile western economies.
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Question: Why did Israel impose a censorship order, banning people from releasing any video or reports about this without military approval, if it was so obviously self-defense?
Because the people in question love to only release doctored footage that supports their cause. It's amazing what you can do with just showing selective portions.
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Because the people in question love to only release doctored footage that supports their cause. It's amazing what you can do with just showing selective portions.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36488_Did_Reuters_Crop_a_Photo_to_Remove_a_Peace_Activists_Weapon#rss
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Because the people in question love to only release doctored footage that supports their cause. It's amazing what you can do with just showing selective portions.
Yeah, so why not release all of the videos yourself, instead of erasing them like the Israelis did?
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Yeah, so why not release all of the videos yourself, instead of erasing them like the Israelis did?
Credible source, please?
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Credible source, please?
Sure -http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921836.htm?section=world
Paul McGeough, no less.
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gee from one of the "humanitarians"? is it this hacks position that there weren't weapons used on the troops? no knives? i mean he was there right?
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no less pity no more
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/jewish-leaders-cry-foul-over-paul-mcgeoughs-reporting-of-gaza-crisis/story-e6frg6nf-1225875704498
JEWISH leaders have cried foul over Fairfax Media's reporting of the Gaza crisis, after chief correspondent Paul McGeough likened Israeli forces to hyenas as they hunted down protesters.
McGeough and photographer Kate Geraghty were on a ship in the flotilla as it tried to breach the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip on Monday.
Nine activists, eight of them Turks, died as Israeli commandos intercepted the flotilla.
In his account of the incident yesterday, McGeough said the Israeli forces "tightened the noose" on the protest convoy.
"Sneaking up and around every boat, there were bullet-shaped hulks which soon became impossible to hide," he wrote. "They hunted like hyenas -- moving up and ahead on the flanks; pushing in, then peeling away; and finally, lagging before lunging."
Executive Council of Australian Jewry executive director Peter Wertheim said McGeough's role on the convoy was to espouse anti-Israel propaganda.
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* Aussies out of Israel after aid clash Adelaide Now, 5 days ago
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"McGeough's sneering comment likening Israeli forces to hyenas gives away his bias, as does his failure to report on the links of the (Turkish extremist group) IHH to Hamas, al-Qa'ida and other jihadi groups.
"The alleged humanitarian purpose of the Gaza flotilla was a sham. It was intended as an exercise in propaganda and there can be no doubt that McGeough was there to further that purpose."
Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council executive director Colin Rubenstein said McGeough's language was "inflammatory" and ignored the extremist elements behind the flotilla.
Australians for Palestine spokesman Michael Shaik said McGeough's hyena comparison was "a colourful description but I wouldn't call it inaccurate".
He denied the operation had been orchestrated by the IHH, saying he devised the idea in 2006, even before Hamas seized control of Gaza. Mr Shaik complained that for the first three days of the crisis, international observers had heard only the Israeli point of view.
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Sure -http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921836.htm?section=world
Paul McGeough, no less.
Huh:
"The imagery that was in various cameras is now being edited and put out by the Israeli Defence Force as their account of the events on the ships," he said.
Funny: Edited =/= deleted.
And if I were Isreal, I'd edit it so that people can see the pertinent information, given that the world press has already shown a propensity to edit OUT that information. (See my previous post on Reuters.)
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http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTY3ZGI3M2JmZWY3ODg1NDRhMjRjMTgyMGFmYjM2ZTU=
Tuesday, June 08, 2010
Journalists as Polemicists: A Case Study [Michael Rubin]
Juan Cole, the historian turned self-parody at the University of Michigan, continues to beat the drums about the Gaza flotilla. But let's consider Cole's sources: Cole writes, for example, "Paul McGeough, one of our great war reporters and investigative journalists, has constructed one of the first rounded accounts of the boarding of the Mavi Marmara by Israeli commandos and the way it turned into a game of shooting fish in a barrel."
I met McGeough, among other journalists, in Australia. He emulates Robert Fisk, but does a rather bad job of it, and is a laughingstock among his colleagues. McGeough was on one of the Gaza boats. Let's fact-check him:
McGeough: "The Israeli attack was timed for dawn prayers"
Reality: The raid began 15 minutes after prayers concluded (according to the Turkish Islamist newspaper Zaman).
McGeough: "Pacing the Mavi Marmara at a steady eight knots and just 150 metres to its port side, photographer Kate Geraghty and I were aboard the 25-metre Challenger I…"
Reality: From 450 feet away in the dark, we saw nothing and our description is worthless, but we will continue to relate the tales of others as if we are giving our own first-person account.
McGeough: "They [i.e. Israeli soldiers] hunted like hyenas…"
Reality: Bias anyone?
McGeough: In the Columbia Journalism Review, McGeough wrote: "Hamas has not stood by its charter for the best part of the last ten years. Hamas has recognized the Oslo peace process.…It has de facto recognized the two-state solution by seeking to be elected as the government of the Palestinian Authority."
Reality: This is untrue
McGeough: "In 1967, the Israelis could have negotiated with King Hussein of Jordan in the aftermath of the Six-Day War; they chose not to. Because they choose not to, Yasser Arafat and the Fatah movement and the PLO all got a huge head of steam [built] up. And because they weren’t negotiated with in a way that gave Palestinians an identifiable outcome, they fell by the way."
Reality: Jordan, as part of the Arab League, voted in September that year against peace, negotiations or recognition of Israel. Anwar Sadat invited Yasser Arafat to the Camp David talks, but Arafat refused.
McGeough: In 2009, McGeough published Kill Khalid, a book about the 1997 Israeli assassination attempt on Hamas head Khalid Mishaal.
Reality: The first 126 pages make no mention of Hamas terrorist attacks, and the topic is only covered in passing subsequently.
McGeough: McGeough called his deportation from Israel "a total disrespect of the fundamentals of democracy, of the fundamentals of the rights of journalists under the Geneva Conventions."
Reality: Nowhere in the Geneva Conventions are journalists granted immunity from a blockade, and in deporting McGeough Israel acted entirely in accordance with international law, which calls for the repatriation of blockade-runners.
Uncritical approach to sourcing is a main reason why Yale and Duke Universities found Cole's work lacking when Cole was seeking to move on from Michigan. And there is a reason why many serious newspapers won't go near McGeough.
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so many micks wanna hold the palestinians cranks for em. its disturbing on the surface and the deeper you go in exploring their long term ties and their communist/socialist roots the more it bugs me. theres that moron brit mp gallaway as poster child.
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Sure -http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921836.htm?section=world
Paul McGeough, no less.
So, citing McGeough is an act of comic relief?