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Title: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: makattak on June 07, 2010, 10:40:51 AM
I've been saying this for some time.

Arthur Laffer says it better and uses historic examples for illustration. I don't have a lot of hope for 2011.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264513748386610.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

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By ARTHUR LAFFER
People can change the volume, the location and the composition of their income, and they can do so in response to changes in government policies.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the nine states without an income tax are growing far faster and attracting more people than are the nine states with the highest income tax rates. People and businesses change the location of income based on incentives.

Likewise, who is gobsmacked when they are told that the two wealthiest Americans—Bill Gates and Warren Buffett—hold the bulk of their wealth in the nontaxed form of unrealized capital gains? The composition of wealth also responds to incentives. And it's also simple enough for most people to understand that if the government taxes people who work and pays people not to work, fewer people will work. Incentives matter.

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People can also change the timing of when they earn and receive their income in response to government policies. According to a 2004 U.S. Treasury report, "high income taxpayers accelerated the receipt of wages and year-end bonuses from 1993 to 1992—over $15 billion—in order to avoid the effects of the anticipated increase in the top rate from 31% to 39.6%. At the end of 1993, taxpayers shifted wages and bonuses yet again to avoid the increase in Medicare taxes that went into effect beginning 1994."

Just remember what happened to auto sales when the cash for clunkers program ended. Or how about new housing sales when the $8,000 tax credit ended? It isn't rocket surgery, as the Ivy League professor said.

On or about Jan. 1, 2011, federal, state and local tax rates are scheduled to rise quite sharply. President George W. Bush's tax cuts expire on that date, meaning that the highest federal personal income tax rate will go 39.6% from 35%, the highest federal dividend tax rate pops up to 39.6% from 15%, the capital gains tax rate to 20% from 15%, and the estate tax rate to 55% from zero. Lots and lots of other changes will also occur as a result of the sunset provision in the Bush tax cuts.

Tax rates have been and will be raised on income earned from off-shore investments. Payroll taxes are already scheduled to rise in 2013 and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) will be digging deeper and deeper into middle-income taxpayers. And there's always the celebrated tax increase on Cadillac health care plans. State and local tax rates are also going up in 2011 as they did in 2010. Tax rate increases next year are everywhere.

 .Now, if people know tax rates will be higher next year than they are this year, what will those people do this year? They will shift production and income out of next year into this year to the extent possible. As a result, income this year has already been inflated above where it otherwise should be and next year, 2011, income will be lower than it otherwise should be.

Also, the prospect of rising prices, higher interest rates and more regulations next year will further entice demand and supply to be shifted from 2011 into 2010. In my view, this shift of income and demand is a major reason that the economy in 2010 has appeared as strong as it has. When we pass the tax boundary of Jan. 1, 2011, my best guess is that the train goes off the tracks and we get our worst nightmare of a severe "double dip" recession.

In 1981, Ronald Reagan—with bipartisan support—began the first phase in a series of tax cuts passed under the Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA), whereby the bulk of the tax cuts didn't take effect until Jan. 1, 1983. Reagan's delayed tax cuts were the mirror image of President Barack Obama's delayed tax rate increases. For 1981 and 1982 people deferred so much economic activity that real GDP was basically flat (i.e., no growth), and the unemployment rate rose to well over 10%.

But at the tax boundary of Jan. 1, 1983 the economy took off like a rocket, with average real growth reaching 7.5% in 1983 and 5.5% in 1984. It has always amazed me how tax cuts don't work until they take effect. Mr. Obama's experience with deferred tax rate increases will be the reverse. The economy will collapse in 2011.

Consider corporate profits as a share of GDP. Today, corporate profits as a share of GDP are way too high given the state of the U.S. economy. These high profits reflect the shift in income into 2010 from 2011. These profits will tumble in 2011, preceded most likely by the stock market.

In 2010, without any prepayment penalties, people can cash in their Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs), Keough deferred income accounts and 401(k) deferred income accounts. After paying their taxes, these deferred income accounts can be rolled into Roth IRAs that provide after-tax income to their owners into the future. Given what's going to happen to tax rates, this conversion seems like a no-brainer.

The result will be a crash in tax receipts once the surge is past. If you thought deficits and unemployment have been bad lately, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Mr. Laffer is the chairman of Laffer Associates and co-author of "Return to Prosperity: How America Can Regain Its Economic Superpower Status" (Threshold, 2010).


Click the link for the graph as well.
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: longeyes on June 07, 2010, 12:10:54 PM
Gonna be a long, bumpy ride to 2012...
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: Tallpine on June 07, 2010, 12:40:49 PM
Gonna be a long, bumpy ride to 2012...

down a cliff.   =(
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: Lennyjoe on June 07, 2010, 07:09:00 PM
Hows your SHTF bug out bag looking these days? ;)
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: Waitone on June 07, 2010, 09:47:52 PM
I just love it when Pravda fingers the problems in our economy.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article20020.html
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: longeyes on June 07, 2010, 10:50:15 PM
Esoteric but on target, I think:

http://aucontrarian.blogspot.com/2010/05/2004-fed-transcripts-methodical.html
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: Jim147 on June 07, 2010, 11:45:18 PM
Hows your SHTF bug out bag looking these days? ;)

I plan on bugging in.

jim
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: PTK on June 08, 2010, 12:49:59 AM
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...estate tax rate to 55% from zero...


....what.... the... wait, what.... wait, I....


 =|



I don't know what to say to that one. I just... wow. We're still in the United States of America, right?  [barf]
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on June 08, 2010, 01:18:15 AM
Hows your SHTF bug out bag looking these days? ;)

Nope.  Where ya gonna run to?

This is the time that you dig in for the long haul, watch the grasshoppers die so us ants can rule.

Starting a garden (not in response to this article, but in response to Obama-ism in general anyways).  Laying the beds this summer and planting this fall.  I can grow in AZ through the winter just fine.  I have about 2 months worth of canned food and edible grains that I routinely eat... no "buckets of beans or wheat" sitting around in my nucular silo or anything that I don't know how to cook or don't routinely eat... but I hope to push that out to about 6 months by the end of the year.

Not that I expect doomsday or anything... but having some nice reserves to buffer increased food costs due to Obama-driven stupidity will be nice.
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 08, 2010, 03:39:14 AM

....what.... the... wait, what.... wait, I....


 =|



I don't know what to say to that one. I just... wow. We're still in the United States of America, right?  [barf]

Mmm, death tax, yum. You didn't really intend to leave the things you worked your entire life for to your next of kin did you? The Government needs that in order to fund the Entitlement State, and such enlightened patricians such as they certainly knows better than a simple plebe like you.

Edit: Bloody typos.
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: taurusowner on June 08, 2010, 04:21:28 AM
Geez, I might actually be better off in Afghanistan  =|  At least I know I'll be getting paid.
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: 41magsnub on June 08, 2010, 10:14:09 AM
If you have any elderly rich relatives encourage them to kick off now.  I just makes good financial sense!   :mad:
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: Scout26 on June 08, 2010, 01:50:10 PM
If you have any elderly rich relatives encourage them to kick off now.  I just makes good financial sense!   :mad:

Yep, the Bush Tax cuts, including the Estate Tax exemption ends 31 December 2010.....I predict quite a few rich old folks will die in late December.......
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: longeyes on June 08, 2010, 03:06:21 PM
Gold, guns, gardens.
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: HankB on June 08, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
If you have any elderly rich relatives encourage them to kick off now.  I just makes good financial sense!   :mad:
Or begin converting paper (bank accounts, CDs, stocks) into hard - and portable! - assets.
Title: Re: Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on June 08, 2010, 04:35:33 PM
Or begin converting paper (bank accounts, CDs, stocks) into hard - and portable! - assets.

Shiny or loud portable assets. :angel: