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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: bedlamite on July 29, 2010, 07:56:02 PM
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And it only costs $45 million.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/iconic-golden-gate-bridge-to-get-45m-suicide-net/19573836 (http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/iconic-golden-gate-bridge-to-get-45m-suicide-net/19573836)
How many are going to jump just for the thrill knowing that the net is going to save them? If it doesn't, what is the lawsuit going to be settled for? And the most important question, Can we turn this thing into a giant bug zapper?
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Just proves my point that we are not as free as we think we are.
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why is california bankrupt? they already have suicide hotline phones, and crisis workers on the bridge 24/7. guess i'll have to carry a camera from now on to avoid crisis team intervention!
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why is california bankrupt? they already have suicide hotline phones, and crisis workers on the bridge 24/7. guess i'll have to carry a camera from now on to avoid crisis team intervention!
Californians are demanding services and refuse to pay for it.
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perhaps they are afraid there teachers\cops\firemen\ems\etc. people will look up, and notice there pension are being controlled by a bunch of drunken chimps. and try to jump off the bridge? [tinfoil]
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perhaps they are afraid there teachers\cops\firemen\ems\etc. people will look up, and notice there pension are being controlled by a bunch of drunken chimps. and try to jump off the bridge? [tinfoil]
The Drunken Chimp community takes offense at this, and asks that you apologize.
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Now it will just take a little longer. First jump into the net and then crawl to the edge of the net and jump again. What are they going to do, put nets every 20 feet to the water? ;/
bob
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Ok so thats just shy of 35,000 dollars per person that has jumped so far.
I say lets bill it to the family's of the previous jumpers.
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Just proves my point that we are not as free as we think we are.
I get the sentiment, but if people want to die that badly, they can do it in the privacy of their own home or international waters or something...
The Golden Gate belongs to somebody, namely the taxpayers, and someone killing themselves from it is as much an ahole move as climbing up onto your own private roof to do it.
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I"ve seen your roof, AJ. It's not high enough for suicide. Breaking a leg maybe, but not suicide.;)
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How many are going to jump just for the thrill knowing that the net is going to save them?
I would. When's it going up? =D
I like to put interesting things in the extracurricular section of my resume, and I currently don't have enough:
1. Survived being shot, twice.
2. Survived innumerable knife fights.
3. Survived being hit in the head with an axe.
4. Survived being cut by chainsaw.
5. Survived puberty.
6. [future]Survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.
7. [future]Flew an ultralight aircraft over five hundred miles.
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I"ve seen your roof, AJ. It's not high enough for suicide. Breaking a leg maybe, but not suicide.;)
If you actually ran out a bit to clear the grass and reach the sidewalk, it's almost three stories. It might just do the trick.
Although I agree it's even more inconsiderate to lay there twitching and moaning than politely quiet and 100% dead.
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I like to put interesting things in the extracurricular section of my resume, and I currently don't have enough:
1. Survived being shot, twice.
2. Survived innumerable knife fights.
3. Survived being hit in the head with an axe.
4. Survived being cut by chainsaw.
5. Survived puberty.
6. [future]Survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.
7. [future]Flew an ultralight aircraft over five hundred miles.
Is this the first time you've mentioned all this on the forum, or did I somehow miss something this unusual?
Sorry, AJ, I didn't realize your house was that tall. Feel free to jump.
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If you actually ran out a bit to clear the grass and reach the sidewalk, it's almost three stories. It might just do the trick.
Although I agree it's even more inconsiderate to lay there twitching and moaning than politely quiet and 100% dead.
My favorite is suicide... self-decapitation with a chainsaw. Now that's determination. Not exactly politely quiet, but still quite respectable.
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My favorite is suicide... self-decapitation with a chainsaw. Now that's determination. Not exactly politely quiet, but still quite respectable.
Don't forget the people that have offed themselves with a bandsaw. Gruesome, those photos are. I mean, I can understand why someone would want to kill themselves (terminal illness for one) but to choose a slow, painful method? Jesus...
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Like marriage?
:laugh:
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Is this the first time you've mentioned all this on the forum, or did I somehow miss something this unusual?
First time. Hate to explain any of these things, since it would eliminate the international man of mystery mystique. I use a broad, flexible definition for "shoot" and "knife fight." :lol:
As a hint... I took multiple 4.5mm steel-tipped rounds to the head. Okay, they were actually BBs, and were actually ricochets, and I still missed the bullseye of that damned 25M airgun target. At 10ft.
And the knife fights... I won them all. Every time I get a new knife, I fight myself (by accident). I am surprised that I still have fingerprints. As a side note, Marttiini makes some very cheap and extremely sharp knives. When not slashing merrily away at my fingers, I used it to shave once. Worked pretty well.
The axe - I was tactical, even as a pre-pubescent kid. I used my 1337 skilz to sneak up behind a guy chopping wood, and my bell was rung. Probably with a splitting maul. Still have a scar on the forehead.
The saw - it was off, I was barefoot, and I was epically stupid. A piece of carpet pad was draped over the saw, and I raked my foot against the bottom of the (pretty sharp) chain while sweeping. That was an odd sensation, so I raked my foot across the area again. Same odd sensation. So I took off the carpet pad. It's a chain saw. I look at my foot. That sensation was temporary numbness, and my foot was now beginning to bleed nicely from 3-4 holes.
Facts sound so much better without details. :P
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Make the net out of razor wire and don't clean up the bodies. I think the sight of corpses and skeletons hanging on the net will discourage all but the most serious suiciders.
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Make the net out of razor wire and don't clean up the bodies. I think the sight of corpses and skeletons hanging on the net will discourage all but the most serious suiciders.
Might make for a profitable Halloween tourist attraction, too.
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Isn't this carrying the Social Safety Net a bridge too far ???
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My favorite is suicide... self-decapitation with a chainsaw. Now that's determination. Not exactly politely quiet, but still quite respectable.
How about a wood-chipper ? :lol:
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Isn't this carrying the Social Safety Net a bridge too far ???
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Ding ding ding!
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How about a wood-chipper ? :lol:
Too automated. It takes TALENT to completely decapitate yourself with a chainsaw. [popcorn]
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A suggest a compromise--put the net up, but place it about 70 feet down and use monofilament line for the netting. The resulting laceration pattern will discourage other suicides and thrill seekers from making the jump. Or put it 200 feet down to make chum.
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Simple solution.
Make suicide legal only duirng parts of the day and night hours.
Only allowed on the outgoing tide.
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or implement a 100percent suicide tax, off your self and all your assets are state property. [tinfoil]
as for the "Drunken Chimp community" at least i admit they exist. [popcorn]
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1) It is entirely possible to commit suicide while merely attempting to decapitate oneself with a chainsaw. It happened in the Orthodox community a while back. My father got to help clean up, because he worked for the funeral society. That one wasn't as nasty as the jumpers. Apparently, those really are the nastiest. People just shouldn't be jellified. It gets real ugly.
2) This concept is stupid. Life is full of dangerous stuff. I'm with Jamis; suicide is a choice. One the taxpayers don't need to spend insane amounts of money trying (and inevitably failing) to prevent.
3) Seriously, is anyone going to not commit suicide because they can't do it on a particular bridge? At least with the bridge, one is less likely to take bystanders along. Beats the hell out of suicide by car or by cop, from a social responsibility point of view.
4) Most people who are seriously suicidal are not going to be put off by rotting corpses. Trust me on this. There's a neat bit in Girl, Interrupted (yeah, I know, not really APS typical reading material :lol: ) about the mental process of moving toward suicidality. It tends to involve a LOT of thinking about death, picturing death, making plans for death, obsessing about death and frequently about being dead. They ain't pretty thoughts.
5) While it is entirely possible for suicide to be an act of pure selfishness, it usually isn't. I've never actually attempted suicide, but I have spend a LOT of time coping with suicidal thoughts and desires. It is not a good place to be. A slightly more charitable attitude towards the people who aren't able to resist putting those thoughts and desires into action is warranted. Really. What is the point, exactly, of the utterly vicious and mean attitudes of some people towards suicides?
6) Viciously condemning suicides increases suicide. If having thoughts about suicide is shameful, then admitting to them for the purpose of getting help is also shameful. It can be a super-humanly difficult task to cope with severe suicidality alone.
I don't think that taxpayer funds should be used for the sort of idiocy in the article. I don't think taxpayer funds should be used for suicide prevention beyond those allocated to mental health, aka keeping the completely nuts off the streets and less of a drain on society. I do think suicide prevention is an INCREDIBLY valuable place to put charity dollars and volunteer work. Actually, come to think of it, in these very tight economic times for my family, I think the only significant charity we've given in the past several months went to a suicide prevention organization.
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Simple solution.
Make suicide legal only duirng parts of the day and night hours.
Only allowed on the outgoing tide.
Sounds like an idea. A retractable net that retracts on the outgoing tide.
That brings the question though: For people who jumped into the net during the other times, should they have a chance to change their mind or just be held and dropped when the tide goes out? =D
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5) While it is entirely possible for suicide to be an act of pure selfishness, it usually isn't. I've never actually attempted suicide, but I have spend a LOT of time coping with suicidal thoughts and desires. It is not a good place to be. A slightly more charitable attitude towards the people who aren't able to resist putting those thoughts and desires into action is warranted. Really. What is the point, exactly, of the utterly vicious and mean attitudes of some people towards suicides?
Laughing at death maybe? There but for the Grace of God go I?
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I recall reading a study of survivors who had jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. If I recall correctly, a substantial number of them, if not the majority, changed their minds about suicide about halfway down.
We have a tall suspension bridge up here over the Tacoma Narrows, and we get a few jumpers every year as well.
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Now it will just take a little longer. First jump into the net and then crawl to the edge of the net and jump again. What are they going to do, put nets every 20 feet to the water? ;/
bob
My first thought exactly.
24 people in one year? I guess that's a "high point," so to speak. So perhaps 200 people over ten years? $45 million divided by 200 comes to $225,000 per person "saved" -- and that's assuming they don't break their neck by diving into the net head-first, or do as suggested above and simply crawl to the edge of the net and jump off that.
If someone wants to die badly enough to do a swan dive (or a half gainer) off the Golden gate bridge, why should society ante up $225,000 to stop them? It just means the next try they'll jump out in front of a train.
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why should society ante up $225,000 to stop them? It just means the next try they'll jump out in front of a train.
Or just drive 30 minutes or so to the other side of SF and jump off of the Bay Bridge. You can still get a nice view of San Francisco on the way down.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/tollbridge/SFOBB/Sfobbfacts.html
bob
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We have a tall suspension bridge up here over the Tacoma Narrows, and we get a few jumpers every year as well.
Are they jumpers or are they just getting bucked off on windy days? ;)
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Are they jumpers or are they just getting bucked off on windy days? ;)
Anyone willing to walk across that bridge on a windy day would HAVE to be suicidal.
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I have had to actually walk my bicycle across the Narrows bridge because it was so windy, I had real concerns about being blown over.
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Being that it's San Francisco, I'd be inclined to put up a moving sidewalk with the end well out over the bay . . . and a sign at the entrance reading something along the lines of "Boxer/Feinstein/Obama Meet & Greet - FREE ADMISSION!" at the entrance.
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Or just drive 30 minutes or so to the other side of SF and jump off of the Bay Bridge. You can still get a nice view of San Francisco on the way down.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/tollbridge/SFOBB/Sfobbfacts.html
Pedestrians aren't allowed on the Bay Bridge. There are also relatively few jumpers from that bridge. Coincidence?
Banning pedestrians from the Golden Gate would be a lot cheaper than building the net, but won't happen for political reasons.
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Hmm. Nobody has considered a tall inward sloping fence like they put on the Empire State Building yet, have they?