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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2010, 05:59:20 PM
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I guess no one has brought this up because it would be pretty much like all the Phred Phelps threads that have been done to death. Especially since Terry Jones admits to taking part in a "demonstration" with the WBC. But now it becomes interesting.
He called off the stunt today, claiming that he struck a deal with Abdel Rauf (the Manhattan Mosque Mullah). But Rauf denies making any such deal.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/pastor-terry-jones-calls-off-koran-burning-ground-zero-mosque/story?id=11594495
What is going on down there?
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Easy. Someone who's nutty, but less nutty than the WBC people, is getting their 15 minutes of fame. It falls right into the lefts hands, since Islam is the new Opressed class, they can use this as yet another reason why Islam is oppressed and Obama must save them. I'd bet dollars to dounts that if he had burned the Koran, he'd have been charged with a hate crime by the DOJ.
Post is certain to go political, IMHO, so I'm moving it over to politics.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/#cnnSTCText
"Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan"
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He should have made a pile of Korans, soaked it in water, and then called down fire from heaven ;)
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Easy. Someone who's nutty, but less nutty than the WBC people, is getting their 15 minutes of fame. It falls right into the lefts hands, since Islam is the new Opressed class, they can use this as yet another reason why Islam is oppressed and Obama must save them. I'd bet dollars to dounts that if he had burned the Koran, he'd have been charged with a hate crime by the DOJ.
Post is certain to go political, IMHO, so I'm moving it over to politics.
But this story has gotten really weird in the last hour or two. Did you read the news story?
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Yeah. Its weird. Really weird.
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Either the FL preacher is lying, or the NY imam is lying.
I don't know anything about the preacher. What I do know of the imam leads me to believe that he might have struck a deal and then denied it. Recall that the imam agreed to meet with NY Gov Patterson about moving the mosque, then backed out of the meeting.
Did anyone catch the story about the imam threatening bad things if we don't allow the mosque to go up?
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He should have made a pile of Korans, soaked it in water gasoline, and then called down fire from heaven with a zippo ;)
FTFY.
The entire muslim world is itching to go to fisticuffs with us.
Does Fistful care if they burn a copy of the New Testament? Do the folks in Salt Lake City care if someone burns a Book of Mormon? Do Buddhists go nuts if someone burns the Lotus Sutra?
I just threw away a duplicate copy of the Baghavad Gita last month. Should I look out for radical Hindis?
The longer we wait and let Iran develop nuclear weapons (or Syria, or Pakistan transfers power to the radicals, or whatever), the worse the situation will be than if we HIT THEM NOW.
So. Burn the stupid books. It's just paper. Let them retaliate. Then have at it.
All this posturing is a waste of lives in A-stan and Iraq as we pretend to make nice. They don't want to make nice. They're letting us know, by the terroristic threats they're making IF WE BURN A STUPID BOOK.
The sooner we start the real war, the better.
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Either the FL preacher is lying, or the NY imam is lying.
Or the FL preacher is just nuts. However, an FL Imam arranged the meeting. I would assume he was there. Are they both lying then? If so, why admit it immediately, instead of waiting at least until 12 Sept?
It make no sense.
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Or the FL preacher is just nuts. However, an FL Imam arranged the meeting. I would assume he was there. Are they both lying then? If so, why admit it immediately, instead of waiting at least until 12 Sept?
It make no sense.
Sure it does. NY Imam agrees, "sure, we'll move our mosque elsewhere." "Then I won't burn the books." "Deal." "Deal."
A few minutes later:
"April Fools, infidel!"
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Then he would have waited until tomorrow, at least, and been unavailable for comment until Sunday.
Unless he just wants to make the guy look like an idiot, which I guess is pretty plausible.
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The entire muslim world is itching to go to fisticuffs with us.
generalize much?
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The entire muslim world is itching to go to fisticuffs with us.
generalize much?
That's what Obama, the State department, the FBI, General Patreus, the New York Times, and Al Jazeera are telling us. It was 3/4 of the total Drudge headlines prior to the guy crying off.
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That's what Obama, the State department, the FBI, General Patreus, the New York Times, and Al Jazeera are telling us.
And outside of Gen. Petreaus, which one of these entities is known for its truthfulness?
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Obama tells us the truth; he's a new and different kind of politician. :angel:
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Obama tells us the truth; he's a new and different kind of politician. :angel:
Muslims love me, yes I know: Because Obama tells me so! :angel:
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I think the gentleman (as polite a phrase as I can think of at the moment) inadvertently got his weenie caught in his zipper and is desperately looking for relief. Claiming the Imam agreed to talk is his way of reducing pain. I don't think he had the slightest clue his media stunt would cause the outrage that is evidently planned. It is one thing to get the media lathered up. Quite another thing to get people killed.
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Or the FL preacher is just nuts.
That right there. Saw this on Freerepublic: Dove Church Academy Rulebook (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/dove-church-rulebook?page=0).
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I'm glad the preacher stopped this farce...esp. since this isn't the way Christ handled non-Christian/non-Jewish people (read the story of the Centurion's daughter....most centurions were Roman).....
A better venue would have been to host an open forum on the differences b/t Islam and Christianity....and why Christ's message is superior....
(...which I would expect a Christian church to advocate...save your flames...)
Now....I wonder if the Imam will hold up to his end of the bargain....and if the preacher is still alive in six months....
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I think the gentleman (as polite a phrase as I can think of at the moment) inadvertently got his weenie caught in his zipper and is desperately looking for relief. Claiming the Imam agreed to talk is his way of reducing pain. I don't think he had the slightest clue his media stunt would cause the outrage that is evidently planned. It is one thing to get the media lathered up. Quite another thing to get people killed.
Oh, definitely.
Now....I wonder if the Imam will hold up to his end of the bargain....and if the preacher is still alive in six months....
I wouldn't hold my breath on this goon from Florida solving the whole GZ Mosque situation. Though stranger things have happened.
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I think the gentleman (as polite a phrase as I can think of at the moment) inadvertently got his weenie caught in his zipper and is desperately looking for relief. Claiming the Imam agreed to talk is his way of reducing pain. I don't think he had the slightest clue his media stunt would cause the outrage that is evidently planned. It is one thing to get the media lathered up. Quite another thing to get people killed.
It is not the FL Westboro wanna-be who would be getting people killed, it would be Muslim savages.
At this point, he ought to go through with it. I'm getting tired of pussy-footing around with barbarians.
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Dove Church Academy Rulebook (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/dove-church-rulebook?page=0).
:facepalm: Some of the kookier religious wing-nuts are opposed to the internet. Just imagine some of the bizarre doctrine that is NOT available online.
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:facepalm: Some of the kookier religious wing-nuts are opposed to the internet. Just imagine some of the bizarre doctrine that is NOT available online.
Heard on an MSM station that daughter of said wing-nut stated that he is running a cult. Also, MSM station stated that he had been kicked out of his last church in Germany for some financial issues (i.e. missing money.)
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Heard on an MSM station that daughter of said wing-nut stated that he is running a cult. Also, MSM station stated that he had been kicked out of his last church in Germany for some financial issues (i.e. missing money.)
Definitely a cult.
Those rules sound a bit like the EOC back in the late seventies =(
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You could read the rules? Apparently they believe spell checker is the work of the devil :facepalm:
The grammar police would have a field day with this group... :police:
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The best part is all the free attention this Florida idiot is getting from the Washington idiots.
I have to say, I mostly agree with AZRedhawk44 on this.
We have freedom of speech in this country.
This means that idiot in Florida, and his flock can burn whatever they want, as long as it's their own property.
If Muslims don't like it, they can lump it.
And Obama and friends: You need to shut the hell up and stop giving morons free press.
Thank you, drive, through!
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You could read the rules? Apparently they believe spell checker is the work of the devil :facepalm:
The grammar police would have a field day with this group... :police:
I so totally want to be on that task force.
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I guess things got bad enough that he needed an armed escort:
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I wonder if her "endowments" distract would-be attackers. ;)
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It is one thing to get the media lathered up. Quite another thing to get people himself killed.
Fixed it for you.
Have any of you read the rules for their ministerial students? The preacher is nuttier than a fruitcake. Makes Jim Jones look like a (lower echelon) saint. The grammar police wouldn't touch him -- they wouldn't know what to start with for charges.
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I wonder if her "endowments" distract would-be attackers. ;)
Worked on me..... =D
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Well at least you can count on the good old stand-by Jackwagons to act like Jackwagons:
Westboro Baptist vows to burn Koran if Dove World wimps out (http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro)
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:facepalm: Some of the kookier religious wing-nuts are opposed to the internet. Just imagine some of the bizarre doctrine that is NOT available online.
What caught my eye was in the first line. "'Fife' fold ministry" --> fringy pentecostalist.
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I guess things got bad enough that he needed an armed escort:
I wonder if her "endowments" distract would-be attackers. ;)
[barf] Not with Mohammeds unit and Obama pushing. [barf]
Quote of the day:
Throw another slice of bacon on my burning Koran! caller on talk radio this morning
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Yup, burning a Koran is such stupid idea, I'm surprised the WBC didn't think of it sooner, esp since it (per Petreaus) puts our armed forces in greater danger. Guys, I'm all for the 1A, but just because we CAN do something stupid doesn't mean that we SHOULD. There are parallels to the thinking that applies to building the "mosque" in the vicinity of GZ. Can they? Absolutely. Should they? Absolutely not. Kinda like flag-burning. Imagine the scenario. I know of people (1 very, very well ;) ) who would physically assault someone for attempting to burn a flag in my (oops) presence. But I would do so expecting to face criminal charges for battery. I'm willing to put that in front of a jury. Instead of a boot in the snoot from me as a consequence of exercising 1A rights, we're looking at genning up bomb-vest wearers in the USA as a result of Koran burning. To what purpose?
Some of us got lathered up about the WikiLeaks revelation that put Afghani people in mortal danger because they were helping US forces. This act of brazen foolishness (Koran burning) puts US forces in incrementally greater danger, no question. My biggest anger is that WBC, or the wacko in FL don't bear the consequences of their actions, but they're perfectly willing to expose others to greater danger. To hell with that.
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Screw that. I agree with Nitrogen for once. We in the USA seem to have no problem with pissing people off in the name of free speech, but when it comes to Muslims, we always want to pussyfoot around and be nice and try not to upset the nice Muslims who are after all following the religion of love and peace. If it was just once, I don't have an issue, but we are developing a sickening pattern here.
We should have an unofficial "Burn a Koran" Day and every newspaper in the US should print a cartoon of Muhammad burning a Koran. We should try to teach some of these people that Free Speech means your sacred cows are no better or more important than anyone else's. Freedom is not a one way street.
Lastly, if the Afghans can't understand true free speech, then they can't and won't have a real republican form of govt. If they attack our troops over silly stuff like this, we should get out and let them have the govt they deserve.
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Is there average Afghan actually aware this is happening?
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Is there average Afghan actually aware this is happening?
I honestly have no idea. The articles I saw carried quotes from Muslims in a few different countries, but they were likely just the more vocal or the contacts the news people had.
I just don't think we should abridge our freedoms just because someone might threaten violence against us.
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I just don't think we should abridge our freedoms just because someone might threaten violence against us.
Ain't no might about it. If them what done it (burning) was the ones to get swatted for it, I'd be all for it. They will pay no meaningful price, but there will be more widows and orphans as the result.
As I posted earlier, many of us get all bothered by leaks of classified information that lead to the death of U.S. soldiers, spies, or diplomats. It is defensible/legal to do so because of the 1A, but it is still wrong to do so. This is the same principle. I have the right to whack a hornets nest with a stick, too. Doesn't mean I should. The average Afghani may not read the Drudge Report, or may not even be able to read at all, but word of this will get to him/her, and be more and more lurid in the re-telling of it. Depend on it.
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Is there average Afghan actually aware this is happening?
Apparently. There are reports of Afghans rioting over the issue. And I doubt Petraeus would stick his nose into it if it didn't matter on the ground in A-stan.
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I have to disagree with you Hutch. I think that the burning makes this guy look like an asshat, but He definatly shouldn't stop it because of some threats from the "muslim world". The way I see it there's two main options here:
Option 1. Islam has a decent sized minority that are willing and able to use terrorism against us (the west). They will find an excuse to do so. It's stupid to try and live in such a way that a psyhco looking for a reason to hate you won't because we'll fail, while restricting our freedoms. We need to understand that some folks will always try to hurt us, work to stop them, and kill them if the succeed, but publiclly refuse to change the way we live at home because of their backwards religious interpertation.
Option 2. The "average" Afghani is so close to violence against us that the actions of one asshat preacher in FL can push them over the edge and spark attacks. If this option is the truth, we need to know ASAP, and nuke them from orbit. Because if that's really all it takes to set the "Average" one off, then there's no hope for peace, because we'll never control all the asshat preachers in this country. Kill all the Afghanis, salt the earth and move on.
Sure this event will spark more attacks on our occupation force, but if it wasn't this, it'd be some imagined (or real but inflated) slight. There's no point in trying to live so that religious extremist that hate us aren't offended. I though South Park covered this all last season. (I still think it's BS that Comedy Central doesn't have the sack to show a picture of Mohumed.)
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There are reports of Afghans rioting over the issue.
And weren't they dancing in the streets when 3000 people died on 9-11-01 ? ;/
It's okay to murder innocent folks, but you gotta draw the line at burning their sacred book. :mad:
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I think that the burning makes this guy look like an asshat, but He definatly shouldn't stop it because of some threats from the "muslim world".
And this is exactly why we should allow groups like WBC to continue to exist. It would be glorious if crazy muslims in the US started attacking WBC.
Agreed that the 'Muslim World' is overly sensitive. Honestly, if I were evil overlord, I would do something like this on a regular basis - and every time there was a riot or even a protest over the issue, disperse it with artillery and close air support. After all, things like this might lure the hardcore guys out of hiding.
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I appreciate the well-reasoned comments, even those lost sheep that disagree with me. =D I don't think dogmush and I will ever agree, but I don't see any urgent reason that we need to, either. Gotta run. I'll say a little prayer for us tomorrow.
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As I posted earlier, many of us get all bothered by leaks of classified information that lead to the death of U.S. soldiers, spies, or diplomats.
Sorry, the two are not similar.
The fellow who leaked the docs was committing a no-bull federal felony. Asshat Preacher Man (APM) is committing no crime and if he were burning a Bible covered in poo shoved up some guy's *expletive deleted*ss on stage, might even qualify for a NEA grant.
To twist a phrase used in the past, "If we can no longer burn a Koran, the terrorists will have won."
I have to disagree with you Hutch. I think that the burning makes this guy look like an asshat, but He definatly shouldn't stop it because of some threats from the "muslim world". The way I see it there's two main options here:
Option 1. Islam has a decent sized minority that are willing and able to use terrorism against us (the west). They will find an excuse to do so. It's stupid to try and live in such a way that a psyhco looking for a reason to hate you won't because we'll fail, while restricting our freedoms. We need to understand that some folks will always try to hurt us, work to stop them, and kill them if the succeed, but publiclly refuse to change the way we live at home because of their backwards religious interpertation.
Option 2. The "average" Afghani is so close to violence against us that the actions of one asshat preacher in FL can push them over the edge and spark attacks. If this option is the truth, we need to know ASAP, and nuke them from orbit. Because if that's really all it takes to set the "Average" one off, then there's no hope for peace, because we'll never control all the asshat preachers in this country. Kill all the Afghanis, salt the earth and move on.
Sure this event will spark more attacks on our occupation force, but if it wasn't this, it'd be some imagined (or real but inflated) slight. There's no point in trying to live so that religious extremist that hate us aren't offended. I though South Park covered this all last season. (I still think it's BS that Comedy Central doesn't have the sack to show a picture of Mohumed.)
This.
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So...now that the burn is off, they're gonna stop shooting & bombing, right?
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According to other reports as of Friday morning, the burning may be back on. And there is another preacher in Tennessee and a protestor in Wyoming that have publically announced they will burn Korans on Sept. 11.
Asshats wanting their fifteen minutes are coming out of the woodwork.
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Call CBS. I'm going to burn a copy of "Dreams From My Father". (For $25 I'll burn a dozen).
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hell, i'm in for four copys. dreams that is. any chance we can get the author there to cry and wail while they burn? =D
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If I write an "a" between the "r" and the "n" can I join in the fun and burn my little brother's Korn CD?
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I just don't think we should abridge our freedoms just because someone might threaten violence against us.
True, but we shouldn't abuse them either.
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True, but we shouldn't abuse them either.
If this is abusing our rights (;/ ) Then it's abusing them at the same level as an NWA video, or Hannah Montana pretending she's not sexual. Actually NWA might be worse, as the people it's exorting to violence are at least in this hemisphere.
It's a rude attention stunt. That's it. Nothing more.
If it incites violence in some Muslims the problem is with....wait for it....with Muslims that think violence is an appropriate response to being offended. In the civilized world when one is offended, but not harmed, you deal with it not blow *expletive deleted*it up. They (the extremists) need to learn that lesson or be shot like dogs. Acting like AHP (I really like that) is somehow responsable for the violence of other people on the oppisite side of the world because he "abused" his right to talk freely is half way to the left's favorite response to their opressed classes. "It's not the terrorists fault, AHP didn't respect them enough" Please. it's there fault. He's making my state look like a bunch of inbred hicks, but you don't see me threating to detcord his church.
He's not abusing snot. He's one more of a parade of tasteless, tactless folks the media has chosen to blast across the world. Pretending he has any controll over what terrorists do or don't attack is asinine.
On that note, what do you think? Is there a bunch of terrorists in A-Stan with weapons and a really good plan, waiting for an excuse? The occuping army, installing a (to them) corrupt government, and trumpted from Al-Jezzera as the next crusade isin't enough to make them attack. What they're waiting for is someone to burn a Koran in FL. That'll be the straw that makes them go after US forces. Right.
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Chill. Go look at what I was responding to before you draw unwarranted conclusions.
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What we need to do is this:
1. Order (from a reasonable manufacturer) 50,000 books mocked up to look like the Qur'an, but entirely empty (as in, blank page). Possibly this stage can be achieved by purchasing 50,000 Moleskin notebooks and writing 'HOLY QUR'AN' on the front cover.
2. Announce the world's largest Qur'an torch-off, held at, say, Bagram airbase.
3. Wait for the requisite Taliban offensive to mass at the airbase at the date of the torch-off, destroy with B-52 and A-10 attack runs.
4. Reveal the secret (by, say, uploading videos of ANA personnel handling the entirely empty notebooks which are not actually Qur'ans).
5. Mock the Taliban as much as possible.
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I know you meant that in jest, Micro, but why does it tweak my soundslikefunometer?
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As the man said...the real war hasn't even begun...
This morning Obama told us that 70 per cent of Afghanistan was illiterate and that it was the second poorest nation on earth. Okay. Then what that tells us is that these people could not possibly be a serious threat to us without the money and arms of other sympathetic nations. And I think we know who those nations are. Strangely, though, we don't refer to them as enemies. Wonder why...
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What we need to do is this:
1. Order (from a reasonable manufacturer) 50,000 books mocked up to look like the Qur'an, but entirely empty (as in, blank page). Possibly this stage can be achieved by purchasing 50,000 Moleskin notebooks and writing 'HOLY QUR'AN' on the front cover.
Why not make the mock-Korans out of detcord and set proximity fuses?....the video would be awesome.... [popcorn]
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If some Muslim fanatics mounted an attack on Fred Phelps and his bunch I think I would buy tickets to see it...
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Adding fuel to the fire (figuratively speaking)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7999250/Australian-lawyer-smokes-pages-of-Bible-and-Koran-asking-Which-is-best.html
Synopsis: can be inferred from the link, but . . . .
Mischievious Australian lawyer tears pages from the Bible, rolls them up and smokes them. Then does the same with the Qur'an. Posts video of himself smoking religious texts.
Guess which one generates more outrage.
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of course the religion of turnin' the other dudes cheek. :angel:
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Nothing political about it, but the Gideon bibles in hotels have nice thin paper that is very useful for this purpose. So I've been told.
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I guess somebody ought to comment on the irony of burning korans at a place called the Dove World Outreach Center. Nice peaceful outreach to the world, there, Terry. :lol:
And since I'm always so proud when Missouri makes it into the news:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100911/ARTICLES/100919867/1002?p=all&tc=pgallJones said he was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo., in October 1951. He graduated from Central High School there in 1969 -- alongside conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh -- and then went on to study for two years at Southeast Missouri State University.
http://www.journalism.org/index_report/pej_news_index_report_september_612_2010On his radio program on Sept. 10, Rush Limbaugh, who said he attended high school with Jones but didn’t know him well, dismissed the pastor as “a fringe figure.”
“Nobody would have ever heard of this until the media elevated it,” Limbaugh said.
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If it incites violence in some Muslims the problem is with....wait for it....with Muslims that think violence is an appropriate response to being offended. I
Best response ever.
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I just want to say that Terry Jones is pretty weak stuff, compared to my current favorite nutty Christian, William Tapley, the Third Eagle of the Apocalypse, aka the Co-prophet of the End Times. He's not only bleeping insane, but he also brings it to you with proper grammar and spelling. =) Not to mention that he has Very Impressive, Bibley-sounding Titles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAFMywH70ow
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William Tapley, the Third Eagle of the Apocalypse, aka the Co-prophet of the End Times
No doubt Fistful is the other co-prophet and either the First or Second Eagle of the Apocalypse. Who's the last Eagle? How does one get an application to become an officially recognized Eagle of the Apocalypse?
Is there room for a Fourth Eagle? I think it'd be a great resume tag line. :angel:
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Is there room for a Fourth Eagle? I think it'd be a great resume tag line. :angel:
Your application is rejected, due to flagitious motives.
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Your application is rejected, due to flagitious motives.
I thought flagitious motives were a requirement for the position.... =|
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I still don't understand what the non-book-burning has to do with the free speech OR the first ammendment. It's property rights, and nothing else.
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Concur.
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I still don't understand what the non-book-burning has to do with the free speech OR the first ammendment. It's property rights, and nothing else.
Rev. Nutball's fortunate he said what he did here in the US. Elsewhere, as for a not so random example, Canada, someone would have gone whining about their hurt feelings to a human "rights" tribunal, and Rev. Nutball would have been scolded, fined, etc.
(I had a run-in online once with someone who claimed to be a past member of the BC human rights commission. Wow -- talk about two people's separated by a common language.)
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It's property rights, and nothing else.
Need a county burn permit, also ;)
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Need a county burn permit, also ;)
Yes, we must account for the car-bonz! Pay your car-bonz sin tax!
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Yes, we must account for the car-bonz! Pay your car-bonz sin tax!
No, actually it's to keep the local fire dept from being called out on a false alarm, or from being called out for a "controlled" burn that got out of control.