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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Viking on September 19, 2010, 03:22:22 PM
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We've had General Elections here today. Anyone interested in info, updates on the results, politics etc?
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Did the TEA Party candidates win?...
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Did the TEA Party candidates win?...
None of that here I'm afraid. At the moment it looks like the next four years are going to be tumultous though - the current alliance who've been in power since 2006 is at the moment unable to get a majority of their own.
Still leading over the leftist-green cartel though, but not the required 50%. This means that they will either form a minority government, or seek to win over the greens who aren't happy being allied with the communists, or they will have to seek to form a majority government with these folks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats), a thought most repugnant according to the official party lines for all the parties currently in parliament, but one that would quite likely be found favorable among large number of voters (irregardless of political block with the exception of the Green Party and the Left Party).
Currently the Alliance For Sweden have 48.6% of the votes, the red-greens' got 43.5%, Sweden Democrats got 6.2%, all the other small parties have 1.3% together. To get into parliament, a party needs atleast 4% of the votes.
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4280 out of 5668 districts counted, and we are still in the lead :cool: =D (though not with our own majority)
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173 seats in Parliament for the Alliance.
156 seats for the Red-greens.
20 seats for the Sweden Democrats.
2 more seats for majority rule (349 seats in Parliament).
Voting's up a bit since last election. 82.1% voted this year, vs. 80.4% in the last election.
The leader of the Left Party is a cocky, arrogant bastard who openly espouses socialism. His party is now also officially smaller than the "racist" Sweden Democrats. Hah-hah! =D
Less than a thousand districts left to count now. I was nervous as hell before, now I'm stoked and excited as hell. This is a crucial election.
Oh, and the leftists are singing The Internationale on tv. Way to appeal to people there, morons.
The Sweden Democrat's party leader is speaking to his party and the country now. They're in a position to tip the scales in any direction. I expect them to go in both directions depending on the issue. They're rather anti-EU, (left/green), want to change employment laws (center-right), against us sending troops to places like Afghanistan (left/green). Yeah, it'll be fun to watch =).
250 districts left to count. We are still awesome. Still no majority.
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You have elections on Sundays? Is Sweden now a Muslim country? ;)
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You have elections on Sundays? Is Sweden now a Muslim country? ;)
Been that way since forever.
The Left's party leader is bitching and griping about "right wing political winds blowing over Europe". Rather that than Leftist politics. Someone leading a party of people who enthusiastically sing The Internationale had better think about what he's saying.
There's an uproar on Facebook over this. People are bitching like crazy. =D
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Interested? Only if you're voting for a beauty queen.
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173 seats in Parliament for the Alliance.
156 seats for the Red-greens.
20 seats for the Sweden Democrats.
2 more seats for majority rule (349 seats in Parliament).
Voting's up a bit since last election. 82.1% voted this year, vs. 80.4% in the last election.
The leader of the Left Party is a cocky, arrogant bastard who openly espouses socialism. His party is now also officially smaller than the "racist" Sweden Democrats. Hah-hah! =D
Less than a thousand districts left to count now. I was nervous as hell before, now I'm stoked and excited as hell. This is a crucial election.
Oh, and the leftists are singing The Internationale on tv. Way to appeal to people there, morons.
The Sweden Democrat's party leader is speaking to his party and the country now. They're in a position to tip the scales in any direction. I expect them to go in both directions depending on the issue. They're rather anti-EU, (left/green), want to change employment laws (center-right), against us sending troops to places like Afghanistan (left/green). Yeah, it'll be fun to watch =).
250 districts left to count. We are still awesome. Still no majority.
That is a heck of a turn out, wish we could get a better turn out like that.
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If we got a turnout like that this November, the liberals would be gone forever.
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That is a heck of a turn out, wish we could get a better turn out like that.
Over here, it seems like those who sympathise with the left are also those most likely to not vote at all.
What kind of turn out do you have in the US?
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The Red-Greens? Finally, duct tape meets politics. If they don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy. =D
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Over here, it seems like those who sympathise with the left are also those most likely to not vote at all.
What kind of turn out do you have in the US?
I believe in 2008 it was ~63%.
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I voted for the girl with the dragon tattoo? How did she do?
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I voted for the girl with the dragon tattoo? How did she do?
:laugh:
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It is a good turn out. I think we get about 60% in a general election. 40-ish% in other elections I think.
Few years ago I went to vote in a local election at about 4pm. Knew one of the poll workers, she said I was about the tenth person to vote that day.
Enjoy your coalition shenanigans over the next few days. Quite enjoyed ours, although that might have been the novelty factor.
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This morning's had an article that mentioned the "Far Right, Anti-Immigration" party finally got enough votes to get a few seats in your parliament.
News report said that the Prime Minister will probably keep his seat, but that he'd have to win the support of other parties, since his doesn't have an outright majority.
Also said that he vowed to absolutely NOT work with the Sweden Democrats.
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This morning's had an article that mentioned the "Far Right, Anti-Immigration" party finally got enough votes to get a few seats in your parliament.
News report said that the Prime Minister will probably keep his seat, but that he'd have to win the support of other parties, since his doesn't have an outright majority.
Also said that he vowed to absolutely NOT work with the Sweden Democrats.
Dead on about everything. Green Party is unwilling to break their coalition. And our current PM will stay, definetly.
Funny thing though, he rejects the idea of working with the Sweden Democrats, but expressed his admiration for how the Finns run their immigration policies a few months ago - which just happens to be along the lines of what the SD wants. Now he's being a coward though.
Also, it's crazy on various forums over here. The competition seems to be "who can slander SD the most"...
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Seems like we might have outright majority after the votes from people living abroa have been counted. They tend to lean to the right...
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Seriously, you have more than three quarters of eligible population voting? Fantastic! That, combined with quality knives and delicious candies, has me loving Sweden. Still wouldn't mind you coming to the USA someday, friend. :)
In any case, what are the ramifications of this election? Better laws regarding personal freedoms? Tax changes? I noticed the comment about immigration, is that a serious problem in Sweden as well?
Sorry to sound so uninformed, I simply have little knowledge of the current political climate in any of the Scandinavian countries, even though I'd like to know more. =|
The best I'm hoping for, and indeed rooting for in any civilized nation, is complete governmental gridlock. Nothing could be prettier, in my opinion, than government branches immobilizing one another for months or years at a time. =D
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Things they've done since the last election includes lowering taxes a bit (more planned for this term provided they can get the budget approved), cut spending on some of the more worthless things (more planned), removed a ban on nuclear research (which might lead to more nuclear power plants, or atleast old reactors being fixed and opened again), tried to clean up among the variety of welfare cases, trying to get people who've been on disability to work again in any fashion, even if it's just part time (many of those involved in these back-to-work programs have reported being happier, eating better, sleeping better, and generally feeling better about themselves).
They've also gone tougher on criminals - some of the policies and laws from here would blow your mind. Basically, before these changes, if you were under 18, you wouldn't be actually punished at all, not for theft/robbery, not for rape, and hardly even for murder. Also, if you were under 21, you'd still get a more lenient sentence, which pissed people off quite a bit. This have changed now, what with a recent murder case where the killers where 17 at the time they commited the murders, and thanks to the changed policies, they got 12 years, (abhorrent to you I'd guess, but remarkably tough here).
Some government monopolies have gone the way of the Dodo as well - pharmacies for example used to be a .gov monopoly, even for OTC stuff like aspirin. Now I can get aspirin at any gas station or 7-11, and regular pharmacies have been privatized, and more are to open up.
Also de-monopolized - vehicle inspections. Now any private actor can start up inspection stations.
Now I'm just waiting for the .gov monopoly of selling alcohol to go away as well =D.
Sadly, none of the parties expect for the Libertarians, who I think got a staggering 50 votes or so, are in favor of improving self defence laws, or making stuff like pepper spray OTC (or hell, just OTC and registered, even that would be a huge improvement).
As for immigration, we're simply taking in too many people. Numbers I've seen claim about a 100k or so per year, of these, about 5% are actual refugees...the effects this has had on society includes vastly increased spending on welfare, considering that in some ethnicities/nationalities, the effective unemployment rate is close to 100%, with people sitting at home smoking weed or chewing khat all day. Also crime levels, particularly rape has spiked to absurd levels. There sure as hell wasn't any gang rapes in this country when my parents grew up. Now, they're common enough that they are hardly mentioned in the papers. Same with murders really. I used to be shocked reading about murders etc when I was younger, now I just expect it. =| =(
This is partly the reason why the Sweden Democrats have finally gotten into Parliament - people are getting tired of us being the welfare office for every third-world country on this planet.
IMO, it's also rather bad taste for any of the parties to say anything about the Nazi past of the Sweden Democrats, considering that they themselves supported the Soviet Union during WW2 (the left party), were heavily into eugenics and forced sterilizations which didn't end until the 60's or 70's (all parties except the Green party and the Christian Democrats, who didn't form until the 80's and 60's respectively), supported Apartheid (Moderates), covered up their ministers *expletive deleted*ing underage whores (social democrats), is allied to a party led by someone who only quit calling himself a communist because of political tactics (green party and social democrats), and so on.
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Seriously, you have more than three quarters of eligible population voting? Fantastic!
Well, that depends on how they vote, now doesn't it? =|
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This'll be entertaining.
I still say Sweden needs a Tea Party. =D
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If they can do a Gadsden Flag in Hebrew, they can surely do Svenska......
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Sweden? tea party? nah, cocoa party. =D
hahhahahahaa, y'all have got to do a google image search on "cocoa party" the Castro and Chávezone one is funny.
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Maybe a Swedish Bikini Tea Party?....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c2NEFPqTwY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c2NEFPqTwY&feature=related)
=D
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y'all have got to do a google image search on "cocoa party" the Castro and Chávezone one is funny.
[Googles]
http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/03/02/join-the-cocoa-party/
We are a spontaneous and collective expression of our desire to forge a culture of ludicrous propaganda that is entirely blame-oriented....so abandon your deeply held beliefs and principles and join our 100% authentic political uprising today!
Now that's the kind of movement I've been waiting for!
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All votes have now been double checked (6 028 762 total), and it turns out that the biggest political block still doesn't get a majority, being 2 seats short. Bring out the popcorn, this is going to be fun to watch [popcorn].
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All votes have now been double checked (6 028 762 total), and it turns out that the biggest political block still doesn't get a majority, being 2 seats short. Bring out the popcorn, this is going to be fun to watch [popcorn].
Can individual seats defect? Or does it have to be entire parties?
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Can individual seats defect? Or does it have to be entire parties?
Yep. Quite likely to cause that person to be kicked out of their party though if they think it's severe/often enough. They keep it for the entire 4 years though. Seeing how infected the debate has been since the parties started campaigns, it feels unlikely that any from the Red-Green alliance is going to defect. I imagine that as soon as people have gotten the sand out of their coochies and stopped screaming, some backroom deals might be made between the Alliance and the Sweden Democrats. Me having voted for the Alliance, I'd have no problem with it. I would have a problem with them going together with any of the leftist bastards, and that especially applies to the Left Party (closeted communists the whole bunch), and the Green Party, AKA The Green Khmers by some here, for good reason.
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Update: Well, it appears my province (and parts of another province) f'ed up badly in the elections...meaning we'll have to redo it. Cries of foul play has apparently been voiced by some people regarding the September results. I have yet to decide whether to vote the same.
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Why does a defense of Sweden's legacy culture against non-assimilating foreigners have to become a Nazi issue? It sounds like a leftist ploy.
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Ohhhhh, F'd up elections.
Do tell !!
Oh wait, forgot something.
[popcorn]
Go ahead. =D
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Update: Well, it appears my province (and parts of another province) f'ed up badly in the elections...meaning we'll have to redo it. Cries of foul play has apparently been voiced by some people regarding the September results. I have yet to decide whether to vote the same.
Hanging chads? Hanging Svens?
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Hanging chads? Hanging Svens?
Nope (use a pen to make an X in front of the name of your favourite candidate, or just drop it in without picking one, letting the party in question duke it out later). More like votes that were "misplaced", not counted, counted twice, "mislaid then found" from what I've heard & read...might even be a bit of voter tampering...happened in the election before this one (2006).