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Title: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Desertdog on October 05, 2010, 05:08:00 PM
Maybe they should start generating much more CO2 to try to counter act this expected cold spell.  I do know that So. Califoria is now running 10 to 20 degrees below normal, with 5 to 10 inches of snow expected above 8000 ft.  Not bad for the first part of October.

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Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.

http://rt.com/prime-time/2010-10-04/coldest-winter-emergency-measures.html
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Iain on October 05, 2010, 05:10:35 PM
Thanks Matt.

Got any news of September's US temperature records for us? Bit more solid than a prediction and just as interesting...
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 05, 2010, 05:44:28 PM
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Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: 230RN on October 05, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
Jeeze, Harold Tuttle, couldn't you have shrunk that one down from 2.1 megabytes?  (I get 693 kilobytes from the posted image, but 2.1 meg when I save it and check on the saved image properties.)
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: drewtam on October 05, 2010, 07:02:07 PM
Sounds like the plot from Fallen Angels.

http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/067172052X/067172052X___1.htm (http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/067172052X/067172052X___1.htm)
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 05, 2010, 07:35:43 PM
you must loves all the pixels for their Ironic weight
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on October 05, 2010, 08:08:16 PM
Silly Russians.  They need to get on board with the global climate agenda.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: charby on October 05, 2010, 08:35:49 PM
Al Gore needs to fart or something.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Scout26 on October 05, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
Hmmm, solar activity at an all time low, temps plummet.

Looking back through history, solar activity (or the lack thereof) seems to have pretty much dictated the weather and climate on Earth.


Conclusion.  It's mankind's fault for Globular Woerming, err... Climate Change, not any changes in the glowing ball of fusing Hydrogen that is cause of all life and energy on this planet.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: never_retreat on October 05, 2010, 10:27:39 PM
This about sums it up.
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Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Jim147 on October 05, 2010, 10:49:09 PM
I guess I better cut a few more trees down.   ;)

jim
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 05, 2010, 10:51:44 PM
put the chains on my new snow blower and stash some real gas
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Regolith on October 06, 2010, 12:44:09 AM
Oh, fun...last year we had below-average snowfall.  Guess it's going to make up for it this year. 

Better make sure my chains are still good...
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: gunsmith on October 06, 2010, 01:29:05 AM
Well, I guess all those energy efficient light bulbs made a difference after all :laugh: [popcorn]
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Gowen on October 06, 2010, 02:08:27 AM
Cool, hey Gunsmith, we are in the neutral zone.  No more/no less.  I don't like all that much snow as it is, so I was hoping for a little global warming.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Iain on October 06, 2010, 03:13:36 AM
Hmmm, solar activity at an all time low, temps plummet.

Looking back through history, solar activity (or the lack thereof) seems to have pretty much dictated the weather and climate on Earth.


Conclusion.  It's mankind's fault for Globular Woerming, err... Climate Change, not any changes in the glowing ball of fusing Hydrogen that is cause of all life and energy on this planet.

It's funny. Apparently this is  prediction we can all get behind. Not those other predictions though.

You're right about the solar minimum, which is what makes the US September temperature record slighly more interesting, though overall largely irrelevant.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Scout26 on October 06, 2010, 07:21:27 AM
It's funny. Apparently this is  prediction we can all get behind. Not those other predictions though.

You're right about the solar minimum, which is what makes the US September temperature record slighly more interesting, though overall largely irrelevant.

It's the only prediction (solar activity) that stands up to the scientific method.  Oh, and I forgot to mention the Chandler wobble, which once again seem to derive from solar activity, along with its obliquity and reverses in the earth magnetic field (which seems to be weakening, I guess we're using too much of it ;)  ;/ ). 
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: MechAg94 on October 06, 2010, 09:18:06 AM
Personally I take this prediction with a grain of salt like any other.  I think it is foolish to believe press release predictions outright.

That said, that chart said the Texas Gulf Coast would be below average in snowfall.  Since the average snowfall is ZERO snow, what does below average mean? 
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Ron on October 06, 2010, 09:20:40 AM
Got snowshoes and XC skis ready, bring it on!
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: HankB on October 06, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
Aww, just remember Global Warming errr . . . I mean Climate Change . . . errr . . . that is, Global Climate Distruption causes unusually hot temperatures, unusually cold temperatures, unusually wet conditions, unusually dry conditions, unusually windy conditions, unusually calm conditions, abnormally high snowfall, abnormally low snow fall, and so forth and so on.

And the ONLY solution is higher taxes. (See, tax dollars placate Mother Gaia . . . but only if they're funneled through the carbon exchange processes by Gaia's priests, such as Algore.)

So pay up, infidel nonbelievers and deniers . . . do it "for the children."
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: roo_ster on October 06, 2010, 11:48:34 AM
That said, that chart said the Texas Gulf Coast would be below average in snowfall.  Since the average snowfall is ZERO snow, what does below average mean? 

Gaia sucks even thoughts about snow out of your mind.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: El Tejon on October 06, 2010, 12:44:47 PM
Snow is just Nature's bleach--kills bugs, disease and hobos.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: charby on October 06, 2010, 12:50:21 PM
since 2007 we have had above average snowfall in Iowa, so does this mean holy sh*t you are going to get a lot more snow this year?
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: 41magsnub on October 06, 2010, 01:05:16 PM
I hope we get a hardcore cold winter to kill off the pine beetles!
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Tallpine on October 06, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
Most weather/climate predictions are invariably wrong  ;/
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: charby on October 06, 2010, 01:26:08 PM
I hope we get a hardcore cold winter to kill off the pine beetles!

Yep let the new and young growth get established. You do know that the life span of Lodgepole pine is about 100-120 years? 100 years ago all the Lodgepole was harvested for mining timbers and railroad ties in your part of Montana. Beetles went to town on the old trees.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Iain on October 07, 2010, 05:42:11 AM
So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 07, 2010, 06:43:27 AM
I'll post my predictions for Winter 2010-2011 in early April (2011). I do this every year. I have never been wrong.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: roo_ster on October 07, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

What part of the US?  Here in DFW we went from colder than normal winter, skipped spring, to hotter than normal summer to colder than normal autumn.  There's a Monty Python joke in there.

Luckily the AGW-mongers and their kool-aid drinkers are on the decline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4), influence-wise.  That sometimes happens when folks see the baloney behind hte facade.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: sanglant on October 07, 2010, 04:09:32 PM
seems to me the seasons(start and end) are off about a month. =|
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Tallpine on October 07, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
One thing about Montana weather is that it is always different.

Last year about this time we had eighteen inches of snow and below zero temperatures.  It's about 80 degrees today.  :lol:
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 07, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrd3HYU80Dk&feature=related


part 2
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 07, 2010, 04:47:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRx-bveND4&feature=related
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: 230RN on October 07, 2010, 07:23:05 PM
According to that map, Florida will have normal snowfall.

Denver will have more than normal snowfall.  But Denver always has either more or less than normal snowfall. Is there a fall equivalent to Punxsutawney Phil, a groundhog who, if he sees his shadow, there'll be six more weeks of summer?

Some enterprising little burg ought to start that tradition.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Regolith on October 07, 2010, 08:44:14 PM
According to that map, Florida will have normal snowfall.

It snows in Florida?
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 07, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
It snows in Florida?

Yup.  By the kilo.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: drewtam on October 07, 2010, 08:55:51 PM
So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

I think your taking this all too serious. Everybody is just joking around, and doesn't want to begin another global warming/cooling debate. That subject has just gotten too tedious for now.

 =D

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why so serious?
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Scout26 on October 07, 2010, 09:08:28 PM
So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

I'll play your silly game:   "That's Weather, not Climate."   :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Iain on October 08, 2010, 05:19:05 AM
I'm being no more serious than others. Just pointing out that I find it slightly tedious that Matt's environmental correspondent pops along with one of his stories, this time predicting cold weather just as we're definitely coming off the back of the warmest September weather on the satellite record (going back to 1979). Also a warm rest of the year could push 2010 to the warmest year on record, it looks like it might podium place anyway.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: seeker_two on October 08, 2010, 05:36:50 AM
Hmmm.....1,000 years of highs in the 70's and lows in the 50's (IOW, a Texas winter).....yep, I'll go for that....


!!! YEA, GLOBAL WARMING !!!
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: charby on October 08, 2010, 10:29:40 AM
More winters of discontent.

Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Northwoods on October 08, 2010, 11:51:19 AM
Apparently thanks the strong La Nina building out in the Pacific, us here in the PNW are supposedly going to get a lot more precipitation and it's supposed to get a lot colder this winter.  Given how bad the snow was the last (albiet weaker) La Nina I'm not looking forward to this winter.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Northwoods on October 08, 2010, 11:53:59 AM
Oh, and Iain, I don't trust any of the temperature records being put out by GISS and the MET and whatnot.  After having them scream several times about the area I live in suffering the HOTTEST MONTH/SEASON/YEAR EVAR, when I know darn well that it wasn't that hot (in some cases 10degF cooler), I have no faith whatsoever in their records.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: richyoung on October 08, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
Oh, and Iain, I don't trust any of the temperature records being put out by GISS and the MET and whatnot.  After having them scream several times about the area I live in suffering the HOTTEST MONTH/SEASON/YEAR EVAR, when I know darn well that it wasn't that hot (in some cases 10degF cooler), I have no faith whatsoever in their records.

Add in the fact that there is more evidence for the existence of the Tooth Fairy than Global Warming......
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 08, 2010, 01:42:53 PM
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Apparently thanks the strong La Nina building out in the Pacific, us here in the PNW are supposedly going to get a lot more precipitation and it's supposed to get a lot colder this winter.  Given how bad the snow was the last (albiet weaker) La Nina I'm not looking forward to this winter.

How can you get "a lot more precipitation" than ALL OF IT?

Portland has something like 200+ days a year of rain.

Seattle has another 60-80+ on top of whatever Portland gets.

I don't buy this "La Nina and El Nino" baloney.  It happens every year.  It gets token lip service from the weatherman on the nooz as if it were an event that DIDN'T happen every freaking day.  It's a weather pattern that meteorologists have only discovered in the last few years and they're still patting each other on the back, so they need to remind us peons that they now see it.

I don't care about it.  It's a standard phenomenon, not something to report on.  Discovery of it doesn't mean that weather patterns have changed.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Desertdog on October 08, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
In the LA area they had the hotest record since they have kept temp records, 113 degrees F, and then they went to 15 to 25 degrees below normal.  So which was it,  record heat or record cold?  How about both, one after the other.  Which prevailed, record cold or record heat?  The 113 degrees was maybe 5 degrees above normal, but the cold was 15 to 25 degrees below normal, which to me it was a cooling trend.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: freakazoid on October 08, 2010, 02:21:25 PM
The El Nino, the storm that all other tropical storms must bow before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEoHz56jWGY  =D
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Northwoods on October 08, 2010, 10:31:32 PM
I don't buy this "La Nina and El Nino" baloney.  It happens every year.  It gets token lip service from the weatherman on the nooz as if it were an event that DIDN'T happen every freaking day.  It's a weather pattern that meteorologists have only discovered in the last few years and they're still patting each other on the back, so they need to remind us peons that they now see it.

El Nino/La Nina is a real, and pretty non-controversial weather pattern.  It's something flips every so often, usually not more than once per year.  It's a pattern of warming or cooling tropical Pacific surface temperatures.  El Nino tends to produce warmer and drier weather in the PNW, and La Nina tends to produce cooler and wetter weather.

Other places it does different things.  E.g. La Nina encourages stronger Atlantic hurracaines because it reduces the upper altitude wind shear over the tropical Atlantic that would otherwise tear cyclones apart.  El Nino does the opposite.  There's been quite a few Cat 3+ 'caines this year.  They've just all been "fish storms" so they haven't been as noticed.

Yeah, we get a lot of rain, but not like some places.  Here it's mostly cloudy with some drizel that doesn't really amount that much total rainfall.  The Haast Pass region of the west coast of the South Island of New Zealand can get 600" per year.  Friends were driving through there and got 12" in 12 hours. 
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 09, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
Sounds like the plot from Fallen Angels.

http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/067172052X/067172052X___1.htm (http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/067172052X/067172052X___1.htm)


I have that book (somewhere) and have thought often of it when I hear all this "green" BS.




More winters of discontent.

Did you just say "Winter of discount tent? =D
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 09, 2010, 10:50:41 PM
More winters of discontent.

Thanks for reminding me. I need to read that book again.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: S. Williamson on October 10, 2010, 06:08:55 AM
Richard III?  ???
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: freakazoid on October 10, 2010, 09:39:35 AM
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Did you just say "Winter of discount tent?

It's "The winter of our discount tent."  =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMcPLhyO6s
Starts at 5:06
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on October 10, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
It's "The winter of our discount tent."  =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMcPLhyO6s
Starts at 5:06

Awesome ain't he?
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: MechAg94 on October 10, 2010, 07:30:43 PM
Other places it does different things.  E.g. La Nina encourages stronger Atlantic hurracaines because it reduces the upper altitude wind shear over the tropical Atlantic that would otherwise tear cyclones apart.  El Nino does the opposite.  There's been quite a few Cat 3+ 'caines this year.  They've just all been "fish storms" so they haven't been as noticed.
I would say that if you are Mexico, you wouldn't call them all fish storms.  At two or more storms crossed the Yucatan and hit Mexico.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Northwoods on October 10, 2010, 09:29:46 PM
I would say that if you are Mexico, you wouldn't call them all fish storms.  At two or more storms crossed the Yucatan and hit Mexico.

IIRC the ones that crossed the Yucatan were not Cat 3+.  Far as I know all of those were fish storms.  The ones that crossed the Yucatan were TS's or Cat 1-2.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 11, 2010, 02:28:06 AM
Richard III?  ???

I refer to the super-duper novel by one John Steinbeck. It's got pirates and everything. I haven't read the eponymous Shakespearean play, but I did see it performed recently in Forest Park. Loves me some free Bard.
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: 280plus on October 11, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
Snow is just Nature's bleach--kills bugs, disease and hobos.
Even if it doesn't kill the hobos it at least makes them migrate to Florida.  =D
Title: Re: Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.
Post by: MechAg94 on October 11, 2010, 09:20:40 AM
IIRC the ones that crossed the Yucatan were not Cat 3+.  Far as I know all of those were fish storms.  The ones that crossed the Yucatan were TS's or Cat 1-2.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2010/h2010_Karl.html
One was a Cat 3.  

What is your definition of "fish storms" then?  I guess it isn't what everyone else on the planet would call a storm that never reaches land.   =D