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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: RocketMan on October 18, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
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The Walking Dead
On AMC
Series Premiere Sunday, October 31, Halloween.
Written and executive produced by three-time Academy Award-nominee Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile), and executive produced by Gale Anne Hurd (The Terminator, Aliens).
A new TV series about zombies.
That is all.
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Let me get this straight .... AMC has a TV series about democrats...... :laugh: [tinfoil] >:D [popcorn] [popcorn]
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Let me get this straight .... AMC has a TV series about democrats...... :laugh: [tinfoil] >:D [popcorn] [popcorn]
I can understand the confusion. No, this show is about a different kind of zombie. Zombified by a virus, not a mental disorder.
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I can understand the confusion. No, this show is about a different kind of zombie. Zombified by a virus, not a mental disorder.
Ahhh, This.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4
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Plus, the Demozombies have no use whatsoever for brainz.
DD
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Ahhh, This.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4
LOL!! I had forgotten that gem! thanks!
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Plus, the Demozombies have no use whatsoever for brainz.
DD
So... "Demozombies" are like Republicans then? :angel:
;)
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So... "Demozombies" are like Republicans then? :angel: ;)
There is a minor difference: The Repozombies are brain eaters, the Demozombies are bloodsuckers.
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It is based off of an amazing comic series. =D Didn't know it was going to be aired so soon. This makes me so happy! [popcorn]
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As much as I enjoy a good zombie movie, I can't see much use for a zombie series. They are a bit late jumping on the zombie wagon, but at least it's not yet another flavor of CSI or NCIS, etc, etc.
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Frank Darabont is largely responsible for my favorite dramatic movie of all time, The Shawshank Redemption. Gale Ann Hurd was responsible in part (along with husband James Cameron) for my favorite action-adventure of all time, Aliens. So I can't say I'm not interested in the new series.
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Gonna go and kill Zombies this weekend at Aurora Sportsmen's Club:
www.thezombieshoot.com
www.aurorasc.org
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I think a zombie series could be awesome. Every time I rewatch a zombie movie, it strikes me how much more there is to tell, but not enough time (or motive of plot) to do so in a feature film. It would be great to see people try to really live life and tackle challenges in a zombie infested world, not knowing they are either going to be saved or zombified by the end of the 2 hr movie.
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DVR set and ready....thanks for the heads-up.... :cool:
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I will say that if the characters make a bunch of idiot mistakes, it will turn me off to the series quick. For instance, the main character is supposedly a Sheriffs Deputy. I want him to act like a real Deputy would and not some bumbling caricature straight from Dukes of Hazzard. If I find myself thinking things like "why didn't he reload his weapon" or "why didn't they have someone watching their back while they siphoned gas", I'm probably going to stop watching. I want to see sensible people doing sensible things to deal with the crisis. You know when you're watching a horror movie and you wonder "why did they split up" or "why didn't she pick up that ax/machete/bat to use as her own weapon"? This series better not be like that.
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Ragnar, I take it you don't watch much television. :laugh:
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The only show I am currently watching is Stargate Universe.
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Ragnar, if you get the chance try watching supernatural. [popcorn] it's one of the least dumb shows on tv. you just have to be able to forget everything you have read in the bible(especially Revelation and Daniel) till the show is over. =|
is friday at 9 on the CW.
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Ragnar, if you get the chance try watching supernatural. [popcorn] it's one of the least dumb shows on tv. you just have to be able to forget everything you have read in the bible(especially Revelation and Daniel) till the show is over. =|
is friday at 9 on the CW.
Supernatural rocks. My wife likes it too, although in her case it's as much for the eye candy as for the story (she describes Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki as "easy on the eyes"). I don't object too much, because a similar factor is at work for me when I watch Smallville - Erica Durrance and Allison Mack are DEFINITELY attractive young women. *AND* it's a Superman show! :lol:
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I just got around to watching a couple of the trailers. I'll most definitely be watching.
Tallpine should like it -- the post-zombie apocalypse vehicle of choice appears to be a horse. :)
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So it's the Mounted Dead then.
I've never viewed any zombie films documentaries. I might give this one a try, if it's on the 'net, but I already watch too many shows as it is.
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So... "Demozombies" are like Republicans then? :angel:
;)
Drat! So I don't see your reply until now, two weeks later, and the mood has passed.
I'll get you next time... and your little dog too! Wait. Different genre. No zombies in Oz. Prolly a bunch of dems, though.
DD
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No zombies in Oz. Prolly a bunch of dems, though.
They were the ones with wings....
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flying zombies...
No IFR navigation, I guess. Just dead reckoning.
DD
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Sorry, I'll be glued to the Munsters marathon on Hallmark. ;)
[popcorn]
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Sorry, I'll be glued to the Munsters marathon on Hallmark. ;)
[popcorn]
Hater
:P :P
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Here's to hoping it isn't canceled in the middle of it's first season ala Jericho.
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flying zombies...
No IFR navigation, I guess. Just dead reckoning.
DD
That made me laugh. You're a very punny guy.
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Hater
:P :P
I love that old stuff. So far I've seen a young Tim Conway, pre "Lost In Space" Billy Mumy, and a young Harvey Korman. All ~1965 ish. They just don't write em like that anymore. =(
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I love that old stuff. So far I've seen a young Tim Conway, pre "Lost In Space" Billy Mumy, and a young Harvey Korman. All ~1965 ish. They just don't write em like that anymore. =(
True enough on the "don't write 'em like that anymore". Some of my favorites are films from the 30's and 40's, especially Noir. I DVR and archive a lot of stuff from TMC that they play in the wee hours.
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The Munsters marathon has given over to an Addams Family marathon. Win win! =D
I don't get TMC... =(
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Ahhh, the Addams family. One huge reason that I love the Argentine Tango!
DD
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I have the series dvr'd, and ready to go!
My son (8 y/o) like both guns and zombie movies.
He winked before bed tonight, and said 'Remember, Dad....Burt Reynolds and Rosie O'Donnell'!
Makes me proud!
Jamie
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I have the series dvr'd, and ready to go!
My son (8 y/o) like both guns and zombie movies.
He winked before bed tonight, and said 'Remember, Dad....Burt Reynolds and Rosie O'Donnell'!
Okay, I can see the Burt Reynolds/guns connection, but Rosie O'Donnell and zombies? As far as I know, brainz aren't THAT fattening!
DD
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Okay, I can see the Burt Reynolds/guns connection, but Rosie O'Donnell and zombies? As far as I know, brainz aren't THAT fattening!
DD
Dawn of the Dead reference, the gun store owner shooting from the rooftop scene, a classic.
I was a little disappointed, but not a great deal. The cop never learned how to siphon gas? I guess they needed a way to bring a horse into it to look like a western.
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Dawn of the Dead reference, the gun store owner shooting from the rooftop scene, a classic.
The remake? I've got it around here somewhere, I think. Haven't gotten around to watching it yet.
DD
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I was a little disappointed, but not a great deal. The cop never learned how to siphon gas? I guess they needed a way to bring a horse into it to look like a western.
Yeah me too. He made a few bonehead moves that took away from how cool the trailers were. First episode though, so I'll give it some time.
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Poor horse. =(
Dawn of the Dead reference, the gun store owner shooting from the rooftop scene, a classic.
Steve: Ooh! Ooh! Um... Rosie O'Donnell! Tell him to get Rosie!
Kenneth: Ooh, yeah! Rosie!
Tucker: Nah, too easy! Give 'em something hard.
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Yeah me too. He made a few bonehead moves that took away from how cool the trailers were. First episode though, so I'll give it some time.
Well , in addition to recovering from some hospital room neglect, the guy was recovering from a shovel to the head.
I'm willing to cut him some slack ;)
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It wasn't too bad, any disappointment was minimal. I'm going to leave it on auto-DVR, see how it goes.
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funny how his ears didn't ring from the under the tank shooting
i hope they find an abandoned black suv with a plow & a number 3 on the side
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funny how his ears didn't ring from the under the tank shooting
My ears ring whenever I shoot a .357 without hearing protection outside. I can only imagine what it would be like in a confined space.
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funny how his ears didn't ring from the under the tank shooting
At least they did from the inside the tank shooting.
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Well , in addition to recovering from some hospital room neglect, the guy was recovering from a shovel to the head.
True enough. I was figuring the writers were trying to build an emotional backstory. I'm just an impatient guy who likes to see zombies get wacked. :)
I'm trying to figure out how long he was out, given that his wife is already lip-locking his patrol partner.
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i hope they find an abandoned black suv with a plow & a number 3 on the side
Twinkies!
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he was out for .5 inches of beard growth and his wife assumes he is dead
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he was out for .5 inches of beard growth
That's a few days for some of us. :P :laugh:
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some plot arc hints from the comic series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead
it looks like they are heading to DC
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(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpremium1.uploadit.org%2FdocZox%2F%2FZombie_chart.png&hash=66567bf6748c736b83f7c540f0816bde293ad9d2)
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some plot arc hints from the comic series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead
it looks like they are heading to DC
They should be safe there....nothing for the zombies to eat there....
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Watched my VHS of the show today.
Perty good show. Yes, the Glock had a safety ??? Our hero in the tank at the end shoots the zombie tanker with a Beretta, then removes the mag and racks the slide....thus tossing out a good round, except there was no sound of it hitting the metal tank.
Did anyone get the name of the black man who took the deputy in after he left the hospital?
Duane.
Remember George Romero's 1968 classic, Night of the Living Dead? Who was the lead in that, anyone here recall?
Duane Jones ... who died in 1988 after going to a teaching job at a college.
I wonder if that was an homage to Duane Jones? ..... ;)
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an old friend of mine bought a new glock, then paid over one hundred dollars to have a safety put on it!? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Why not just buy a 1911 then??
I thought he used his revolver to shoot the zombie in the tanker, the last round he was going to shoot himself with b4 entering the tank, I commented to my friend that he should have searched the helicopters and military humvee's for weapons/ammo but Jason said I should shut up because I always gripe about those plot holes
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an old friend of mine bought a new glock, then paid over one hundred dollars to have a safety put on it!? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Why not just buy a 1911 then??
I thought he used his revolver to shoot the zombie in the tanker, the last round he was going to shoot himself with b4 entering the tank, I commented to my friend that he should have searched the helicopters and military humvee's for weapons/ammo but Jason said I should shut up because I always gripe about those plot holes
I'd have checked to see if the M1 still had gas in it. At the very least, it'd be a good way to get out of the city.
And if he'd gotten really lucky, it'd have been equipped with canister shells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgn1nhUEgo8).
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Quite liked it. I'm sure the comic opened with the scene by the petrol station, but I'm not sure that really worked on TV. Would have preferred it to be linear, there was only about fifteen minutes without zombies in the beginning if that scene was removed.
Quite creepy at points, the mother for instance. The half torso managed to almost be sympathetic.
Lot of hype about this one, between this, Boardwalk Empire and next year's Game of Thrones, there could be some decent telly.
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Quite liked it. I'm sure the comic opened with the scene by the petrol station, but I'm not sure that really worked on TV. Would have preferred it to be linear, there was only about fifteen minutes without zombies in the beginning if that scene was removed.
Quite creepy at points, the mother for instance. The half torso managed to almost be sympathetic.
Lot of hype about this one, between this, Boardwalk Empire and next year's Game of Thrones, there could be some decent telly.
I watched the first episode on Hulu last night before going to bed. (Probably a mistake, but I didn't have any related dreams, so...) The peephole scene was EASILY one of the freakiest I have ever seen. Rare combination of horror and emotional impact.
This will probably be the most extensive piece of zombie lore to appear on the screen yet. I'm still waiting for the mother of all zombie epics from Correia.
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Watched. Loved. Creeped out the wife throughougly.
Some inconsistiences in the production, but it handily beats dancing with the stars....
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Yeah, I'm a fan too.
Chris
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Watched. Loved. Creeped out the wife throughougly.
Some inconsistiences in the production, but it handily beats dancing with the stars....
Wife likes it, I'm kind of so/so about it so far.
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And if he'd gotten really lucky, it'd have been equipped with canister shells.
That would be of only limited use. Also, the commander's machinegun has been shown to be empty.
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I'd have checked to see if the M1 still had gas in it. At the very least, it'd be a good way to get out of the city.
Doesn't look like an M1. (https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthewalkingdeadpodcast.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2Ftumblr_l93pxvVVDp1qcuuon.jpg&hash=58f3ae31a0e62e2697f9b8edeb0c555f2cd45e88)
Also, I seem to remember reading somewhere that the M1 Abrams doesn't have a hatch on the bottom. (I dunno . . . any tankers here?)
Batteries still worked - it was pretty bright inside the tank. Spacious, too. But maybe the tankers ran out of gas and opened the hatch . . . others left, one was zombiefied and stayed.
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We saw a dead tanker poking out of the commander's hatch.
What happened, I think, is that one of tankers got bit/scratched, and went zombie on the crew. There was a race to get out. Guy in the commander's hatch clearly lost the race.
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We saw a dead tanker poking out of the commander's hatch.
What happened, I think, is that one of tankers got bit/scratched, and went zombie on the crew. There was a race to get out. Guy in the commander's hatch clearly lost the race.
Not possible. They don't go zombie until the bug kills them via fever. They rise from the dead as a zombie. They don't "go zombie" all of a sudden.
Chris
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if you get killed you reanimate
things other than bites kill
the tank is a chieftain, I gather thats what they could rent in Atlanta
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After looking at this thread I'm a little peeved that we don't really know how this thing started. Did the book give more details?
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if you get killed you reanimate
My understanding is that you have to be infected first and the infection is deadly as well.
Chris
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Not possible. They don't go zombie until the bug kills them via fever. They rise from the dead as a zombie. They don't "go zombie" all of a sudden.
Chris
And can you not see a tank crew being too stupid/emotional/dedicated to abandon a sick/injured buddy?
It's about the only way I can imagine a tank crew letting a zombie bite them without there being a MAJOR fight first.
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And can you not see a tank crew being too stupid/emotional/dedicated to abandon a sick/injured buddy?
Yes, but I read your statement as if the process were more immediate such as shown in the old zombie flicks.
Chris
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We've already established that the writers didn't care to research a ubiquitous handgun, and ther's an argument about disposition of a tank crew?
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"With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are dying...
In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,
Hey, hey, hey. What's in your head,
In your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, oh, ya, ya-a..."
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here is canon on the first book of The Walking Dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqPq3s3RdxI&feature=related
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"With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are dying...
In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,
Hey, hey, hey. What's in your head,
In your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, oh, ya, ya-a..."
Great song. Takes me back to being 13.
Second episode wasn't so strong. I'm not drawing a comparision in terms of content (although they were escaping in ep2 and there is an actress in common) but I suspect this is going to be on a sort of intelligence/script/production values par with Prison Break. Not the best telly there is, but very good.
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In the comic, were the zombies climbers, runners and tool users? I did not get the impression from the comic that was the case but in episode 2 they were. ???
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The biker guy is a meaner version of Francis from Left 4 Dead.
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...were the zombies climbers, runners and tool users? ...in episode 2 they were. ???
I noticed that as well. Most of them behaved as typical, slow stupid zombies, but some were quite capable. That was certainly different.
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Perhaps ability is a function of how bad off the brain is at the time ...
Hard to say. We don't know what caused this. In some earlier zombie films even bodies fairly badly decomposed could come back. Perhaps a fresh-dead zombie with more intact brain cells makes for a better, more able zombie than one that's been in the ground for a few months .... [tinfoil]
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Why didn't the zombies eat the cop when he was in a coma?
The interesting thing I saw was a Ma deuce on a truck near the tank that still had rounds left on the belt ??? ???
If all was lost, I couldn't imagine abandoning that until it was empty- that thing would be potent zombie medicine.
Not sure why the cop chose to fill a bag full of shotguns? It was not only heavy for him to carry, but the police armory should have had at least an AR-15 or two, and he could have carried a lot more ammo.
How was riding a horse into a population center a good idea?
Zombies could use rudimentary tools like rocks to break windows, but couldn't climb a ladder?
Why was one road in Atlanta completely deserted while others were jam packed full of cars? What are the odds that they didn't run into a dead end or blocked road while trying to lure the zombies away from the shopping center?
The two episodes I saw were full of weird holes, but I loved it all the same.
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So, does that mean we have to rethink our strategies for the coming Zombie ApocalypseTM?
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So, does that mean we have to rethink our strategies for the coming Zombie ApocalypseTM?
Yes, having a few thousand rounds of ammo in storage is going to be woefully inadequate :facepalm:
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Yes, having a few thousand rounds of ammo in storage is going to be woefully inadequate :facepalm:
I have one word for you my friend:
Napalm.
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Why does anybody wander out unarmed in zombie territory? Much less making out on the forest floor?
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Why didn't the zombies eat the cop when he was in a coma?
The interesting thing I saw was a Ma deuce on a truck near the tank that still had rounds left on the belt ??? ???
If all was lost, I couldn't imagine abandoning that until it was empty- that thing would be potent zombie medicine.
Not sure why the cop chose to fill a bag full of shotguns? It was not only heavy for him to carry, but the police armory should have had at least an AR-15 or two, and he could have carried a lot more ammo.
How was riding a horse into a population center a good idea?
Zombies could use rudimentary tools like rocks to break windows, but couldn't climb a ladder?
Why was one road in Atlanta completely deserted while others were jam packed full of cars? What are the odds that they didn't run into a dead end or blocked road while trying to lure the zombies away from the shopping center?
The two episodes I saw were full of weird holes, but I loved it all the same.
1) Could be several reasons. There was a stretcher in front of the closed door, and the Zombies react to noise/movement/smell. Possibly they couldn't smell him through the closed door and there definitely would have been no sound or movement.
2) That bothered me too. Although, if zombies were approaching fast, I don't know if I'd be the "go down with the ship" guy or the "run like hell" guy.
3) It's a small southern town, maybe shotguns were all they had (if you remember the opening shootout, there were no rifles present, only shotguns). Also, the main character carries a revolver by choice on patrol, while his partner has a semi-auto.
4) As opposed to walking? The show makes it extremely clear that he's run out of gas and was unable to find more.
5) If you watch carefully, one of the zombies starts to climb up the ladder after seeing them do it.
6) Again, it's clear from watching him ride into Atlanta that everyone there was trying to escape when it turned bad. I assumed that the packed roads were the shortest escape routes. Even if you dismiss that, the asian guy is a scavenger who came to Atlanta after the others had left, so it only makes sense that he'd have knowledge of what roads were clear.
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I have one word for you my friend:
Napalm.
Then you have the problem of flaming zombies to deal with- not good if you are huddled in a building. :laugh:
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If the zombies are out and about, moving around, they require energy. How long can an unfed zombie continue to function? Do they shut down completely, or just hibernate for a while (like the zombie tanker?) and re-animate later on, if not too much time has passed?
Without heart and blood, what is the energy source for the muscles, eyes, olfactory senses, nervous system, etc.,? Some anaerobic process?
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If the zombies are out and about, moving around, they require energy. How long can an unfed zombie continue to function? Do they shut down completely, or just hibernate for a while (like the zombie tanker?) and re-animate later on, if not too much time has passed?
Without heart and blood, what is the energy source for the muscles, eyes, olfactory senses, nervous system, etc.,? Some anaerobic process?
They're ZOMBIES!! You are being far too logical! :laugh:
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Not sure why the cop chose to fill a bag full of shotguns? It was not only heavy for him to carry, but the police armory should have had at least an AR-15 or two, and he could have carried a lot more ammo.
A) Probably for the same reason that screenwriters seem to think every rural home contains a double-barreled shotgun.
B) A lot of people are oblivious to the (fairly recent) trend of ARs replacing shotguns as law enforcement's ubiquitous long gun.
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its a tolerable show, but the gaps are enormous.
Hollywood writers are great at story telling but seemingly incapable of researching survivalist material, military material, and basic gun skills.
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its a tolerable show, but the gaps are enormous.
Hollywood writers are great at story telling but seemingly incapable of researching survivalist material, military material, and basic gun skills.
This. And it is way better than most of what passes for entertainment these days. All the networks seem to have gone all reality [barf] all the time. Hell, even most of cable.
I remember when TLC used to be good. Now, they are all reality [barf] all the time.
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Q?
At what point do zombie populations become self-limiting?
There has to be some sort of population density level where zombies always overwhelm and entirely devour hapless humans before they themselves can become zombies. I'm betting that its only a matter of time before some mathematician or sociologist uses that for their doctoral thesis.
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The real reason for shotguns over ARs in this setting is because had the characters been using ARs, the show would be less... entertaining.
A man with an AR and a bunch of mags can seriously thin out a crowd of zombies.
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A man with an AR and a bunch of mags can seriously thin out a crowd of zombies.
Heck I bet a man with an axe could too if he used the top of a ladder on a building's fire escape as a chokepoint.
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True, but swinging an edged weapon can tire one very quickly. Keeping it up against a lot of determined opponents would be challenging.
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True, but swinging an edged weapon can tire one very quickly. Keeping it up against a lot of determined opponents would be challenging.
Yes. better use the buddy system in case a weapon breaks/gets stuck and to allow one guy to be at rest.
Reminds me of a hypothetical situation we always talk about at lunch where I work:
If faced with an onrushing endless horde of angry spider monkeys, what weapon and type of armor to use, and how many spider monkeys could you take out before they overwhelm you?
Various firearms were the first wepons debated, but we all agreed that you are dead on your first mag change. Over the last few years of debating, most of us concluded that something like a bowie knife, short machete, or a tomahawk would be best.There still is a lot of debate about armor though.
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http://hatsproductions.com/organtrail.html
I present for your amusement: The Organ Trail
The Oregon Trail of the Zombie Apoc
I made it to safety only losing one car mate. I didn't like him much anyways tho.
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Yes. better use the buddy system in case a weapon breaks/gets stuck and to allow one guy to be at rest.
Reminds me of a hypothetical situation we always talk about at lunch where I work:
If faced with an onrushing endless horde of angry spider monkeys, what weapon and type of armor to use, and how many spider monkeys could you take out before they overwhelm you?
Various firearms were the first wepons debated, but we all agreed that you are dead on your first mag change. Over the last few years of debating, most of us concluded that something like a bowie knife, short machete, or a tomahawk would be best.There still is a lot of debate about armor though.
Something that covers the face and neck would be most important.
A short samauri sword?
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Q?
At what point do zombie populations become self-limiting?
There has to be some sort of population density level where zombies always overwhelm and entirely devour hapless humans before they themselves can become zombies. I'm betting that its only a matter of time before some mathematician or sociologist uses that for their doctoral thesis.
I can longer remember, it may have even been here (and that would make sense!!) but I recall a link to an official research study on Zombie apocolypseses (more like pandemic viruses gone rabid) where they covered stuff you're asking about.
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Now that I've been studying WMA for a bit, I'm thinking an epee de guerre (medieval hand and a half sword) is a very versatile multi-opponent weapon. Can be used with one or both hands, good dual-edge cutting with a reinforced point for thrusting against joints in armor, quick and agile. http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-medieval-crecy-xvi.htm (http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-medieval-crecy-xvi.htm) This is my Christmas present to myself.
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http://mysite.science.uottawa.ca/rsmith43/Zombies.pdf
WHEN ZOMBIES ATTACK!: MATHEMATICAL
MODELLING OF AN OUTBREAK OF ZOMBIE
INFECTION
Philip Munz1, Ioan Hudea1y, Joe Imad2z, Robert J. Smith
School of Mathematics and Statistics, Carleton University,
1125 Colonel By Drive, Ottawa, ON K1S 5B6, Canada
Department of Mathematics, The University of Ottawa,
585 King Edward Ave, Ottawa ON K1N 6N5, Canada
Department of Mathematics and Faculty of Medicine, The University of Ottawa,
585 King Edward Ave, Ottawa ON K1N 6N5, Canada
Abstract
Zombies are a popular figure in pop culture/entertainment and they are usually
portrayed as being brought about through an outbreak or epidemic. Consequently,
we model a zombie attack, using biological assumptions based on popular zombie
movies. We introduce a basic model for zombie infection, determine equilibria and
their stability, and illustrate the outcome with numerical solutions. We then refine the
model to introduce a latent period of zombification, whereby humans are infected, but
not infectious, before becoming undead. We then modify the model to include the
effects of possible quarantine or a cure. Finally, we examine the impact of regular,
impulsive reductions in the number of zombies and derive conditions under which
eradication can occur. We show that only quick, aggressive attacks can stave off the
doomsday scenario: the collapse of society as zombies overtake us all.
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"The key difference between the models presented here and other models of infectious
disease is that the dead can come back to life. Clearly, this is an unlikely scenario if taken
literally, but possible real-life applications may include allegiance to political parties, or
diseases with a dormant infection."
Heh, heh...
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>Over the last few years of debating, most of us concluded that something like a bowie knife, short machete, or a tomahawk would be best.There still is a lot of debate about armor though.<
Spider monkeys, huh?
Honestly, your best bet would be a riot shield, and something like a "true" bowie or tomahawk. If friends are available, two-fisting the weapons while the friends use shields would be ideal. Look something like this: /^\
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The Walking Dead has been renewed for a second season, this time 13 episodes. It seems it had phenomenal ratings right out of the gate.
Stories here (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/business/media/15amc.html?_r=1) and here (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/11/08/amcs-the-walking-dead-renewed-for-13-episode-season-two-as-second-episode-big-ratings/71238).
Charlie Collier, the President of AMC, is quoted in the second story saying, “No other cable series has ever attracted as many Adults 18-49 as ‘The Walking Dead.’ This reaffirms viewers’ hunger for premium television on basic cable."
Personally, I think it just reaffirms viewers' hunger for zombies.
Rubicon, another AMC series about conspiracies, has been given the boot.
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Cool to hear! I've really been liking it.
Though I am trying to figure out why in the last episode neonazi biker didn't use the hacksaw on the 1/4" bolt his handcuffs were attached to.
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Cool to hear! I've really been liking it.
Though I am trying to figure out why in the last episode neonazi biker didn't use the hacksaw on the 1/4" bolt his handcuffs were attached to.
I wondered the same thing. But then, by the time he finally got his hands on the saw, it may have been too late to saw through the bolt.
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Rubicon, another AMC series about conspiracies, has been given the boot.
Sponsored by Jeep?
Spider monkeys, huh?
Honestly, your best bet would be a riot shield, and something like a "true" bowie or tomahawk. If friends are available, two-fisting the weapons while the friends use shields would be ideal. Look something like this: /^\
You know he just made up that silly topic to see if he could get us to take it seriously, right? :laugh:
The real reason for shotguns over ARs in this setting is because had the characters been using ARs, the show would be less... entertaining.
A man with an AR and a bunch of mags can seriously thin out a crowd of zombies.
Not with a screenwriter's grasp of tactics, he couldn't.
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Honestly, your best bet would be a riot shield, and something like a "true" bowie or tomahawk.
You know what my answer to this would be. :D
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You know he just made up that silly topic to see if he could get us to take it seriously, right?
Spider monkeys are a REAL threat [ar15], zombies are still hypothetical. ;/
The writers of that show need to hire some real experts, maybe they could start fishing on this site. The deer that was 'shot with 2-3 crossbow bolts and tracked for miles' is just plain silly. If an archer ever got a second shot at a deer, its because its already on the ground.
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Personally, I think it just reaffirms viewers' hunger for zombies.
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Spider monkeys are a REAL threat [ar15], zombies are still hypothetical. ;/
I live in a state where the dozens of spider monkeys we have live in zoos....but over 50% of voters re-elected Rick Perry....
That cinches it for me....
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You know what my answer to this would be. :D
Would be a good choice though.
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. . . Personally, I think it just reaffirms viewers' hunger for zombies . . .
Disturbing image . . . I thought it was the zombies who hungered . . .
. . . zombies are still hypothetical. ;/
Talked to a Democrat lately? (Even Bob Hope knew this - reposting the link in case anyone missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNWIatFCH1Q )
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Rubicon, another AMC series about conspiracies, has been given the boot.
That stinks I liked that show
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Cool to hear! I've really been liking it.
Though I am trying to figure out why in the last episode neonazi biker didn't use the hacksaw on the 1/4" bolt his handcuffs were attached to.
Yup, the zombies were getting thru the door plus he had been sitting there for days going nuts. I knew that he was going to cut his hand off.
He will return to mess with the group, & he will be in a bad mood.
the main group is a bunch of losers, If I was that aisan guy I would take off-he's the only smart one. The main guy who always want to wear his uniform despite the world ending is going to get everyone killed. I hope handless brother kills him :P [popcorn]
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Wearing a uniform makes SENSE from a survival standpoint.
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Wearing a uniform makes SENSE from a survival standpoint.
Please explain....
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Micro might mean the utilitarian value of something like BDUs. However the "middle management", cop on the city street, short sleeved shirt and polyster trousers our hero has been wearing don't really fit the utilitarian bill. Even his deputy buddy has switched to BDU pants and a pair of boots.
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Wearing a uniform makes SENSE from a survival standpoint.
I guess I could see some advantage, like maybe less likely to get shot by other uniformed services-but the criminal element might be tempted to get even or shoot you because they are drugged out or something.
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I guess I could see some advantage, like maybe less likely to get shot by other uniformed services-but the criminal element might be tempted to get even or shoot you because they are drugged out or something.
Or just because they can. There isn't exactly law and order in that kind of situation....
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However, you have adults who have been conditioned for their whole lives to obey laws and obey the police.
A uniformed cop or member of the military would be looked to as a leader in such a situation out of sheer human conditioning.
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BDUs rock. Try stuffing an MRE into a hip pocket.
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However, you have adults who have been conditioned for their whole lives to obey laws and obey the police.
A uniformed cop or member of the military would be looked to as a leader in such a situation out of sheer human conditioning.
It makes survival sense to cooperate with a uniformed policeman or soldier. Police have emergency training and are/were screened to avoid obvious criminality. A law-abiding citizen would sensibly look to trained LEOs for guidance.
Uniforms are also designed with comfort and durability in an emergency situation in mind.
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A law-abiding citizen would sensibly look to trained LEOs for guidance.
....esp. since they're the only ones in the room who can use a Glock For-Tay responsibly.... :laugh:
Only LEO I'd defer to in this situation would be a Fish and Game officer...they know where the good poaching sites are.... =D
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What I'm saying is that a person would reasonably wear a uniform because they'd expect it would convey them an air of authority. Which has already worked well for the character at some points.
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The writers of that show need to hire some real experts, maybe they could start fishing on this site. The deer that was 'shot with 2-3 crossbow bolts and tracked for miles' is just plain silly. If an archer ever got a second shot at a deer, its because its already on the ground.
Synchronized cross-bow shooting? It could be an event in the Apocolympics.
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What I'm saying is that a person would reasonably wear a uniform because they'd expect it would convey them an air of authority. Which has already worked well for the character at some points.
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Heck I bet a man with an axe could too if he used the top of a ladder on a building's fire escape as a chokepoint.
Actually in the comics someone actually did something like that. Stood on one side of a fence and jammed some kind of sharp object, don't remember, into there heads.
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a "war hammer" with a really long handle would work too.
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War hammer? Nah, all that swinging gets you tired fast
This is more like it: http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/sircookiethepurevideo/P1060477.jpg
If anything, I would probably use a pole axe: http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/sircookiethepurevideo/CS%20pole%20Axe/P1060007.jpg
EDIt: Jeez, I can't believe how much younger I look in those photos. What a difference a couple years the stress of a doctorate program makes.
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Cool to hear! I've really been liking it.
Though I am trying to figure out why in the last episode neonazi biker didn't use the hacksaw on the 1/4" bolt his handcuffs were attached to.
He thought the zombies were JUUUST about to break through the door, I'd guess. Didn't realize the door was securely chained and padlocked.
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Didn't realize the door was securely chained and padlocked.
By George I think you've got it! I don't remember butterfingers telling him he chained the door up.
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Just started watching my DVR'd episodes....in the middle of ep. 2 now....I'm hooked so far....
Now I'm motivated to make the leap into supressed firearms....just in case.... [tinfoil]
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By George I think you've got it! I don't remember butterfingers telling him he chained the door up.
Plus he was getting a little loopy by then.
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By George I think you've got it! I don't remember butterfingers telling him he chained the door up.
It looked to me like whatever the chain was looped through was gradually breaking down. Every time the zombies were shown whanging at the door, it was open a little farther. Hence the, shall we say, "sense of urgency" on the part of the a**wipe biker.
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Pure win tonight!
Spoiler alert!
Apocolypse poll:
Where would you and, say, a dozen survivors, choose to hole up?
Tonight defintely showed the suck of actually camping. Indefensible position and no sentry combined for the double whammy.
I would probably go for a warehouse in a semi-rural setting. Something that had a fence around the perimter. Hack back any heavy vegetation to the perimeter. If possible, hack back another hundred yards from the fence line.
Depending on the size of the property, create an inner perimiter by using cars.
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Definitely a building with strong walls. The gangbangers did a good job with theirs, other than that they were in the city. So yeah, something outside of populated areas. Two secure entry / egress points from the building, as well as two from whatever perimeter you erected around the building.
If I had to camp like those guys, I'd build myself a treehouse or even strap myself up in a tree at night to sleep. Or anchor a raft or the canoe in the lake at night and sleep there. Tents are not Zombie proof.
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World War Z teaches us that walkers stumble about upon the lake bottoms and can climb anchor lines
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World War Z teaches us that walkers stumble about upon the lake bottoms and can climb anchor lines
I knew some wiseguy was gonna bring Brooks up. Don't you have a zombie escape bicycle to ride or something? :P :laugh:
Zombie barrier on the anchor line.
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I knew some wiseguy was gonna bring Brooks up. Don't you have a zombie escape bicycle to ride or something? :P :laugh:
Zombie barrier on the anchor line.
New use for rat guards.
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It would also help to organize zombie hunts to reduce zombie density in a specific are. There are obvious easy ways in which the zombies that exist in TWD can be hunted and killed by the hundreds by teams of 2- 3 people.
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plus there campsite is within view of the city, like a park in suburbia or something-pretty dumb.
I knew when they're all around the campfire relaxing and laughing that the shaving creme would hit the fan.
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It would also help to organize zombie hunts to reduce zombie density in a specific are. There are obvious easy ways in which the zombies that exist in TWD can be hunted and killed by the hundreds by teams of 2- 3 people.
Fire. Lots of fire.
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It would also help to organize zombie hunts to reduce zombie density in a specific are. There are obvious easy ways in which the zombies that exist in TWD can be hunted and killed by the hundreds by teams of 2- 3 people.
I'm thinking the use of a 'scoped and suppressed .22 on a rooftop in the city with a case of ammo would help . . . one person can easily carry a case (5000 rds) of .22, and headshoot a LOT of zombies in a couple of hours.
Supply issues?
Somehow, unlike the TV show, I don't think the survivors would be those who started with little or no ammo . . .
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i finally watched this last night. Compared to all the other crap on TV, it's actually pretty entertaining. Usual TV/Movie logic lapses...but overall, pretty entertaining. How can you go wrong with zombies eating people alive - and other people shooting the zombies in the brain.
It's a no-brainer.
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I'm thinking the use of a 'scoped and suppressed .22 on a rooftop in the city with a case of ammo would help . . . one person can easily carry a case (5000 rds) of .22, and headshoot a LOT of zombies in a couple of hours.
Supply issues?
Somehow, unlike the TV show, I don't think the survivors would be those who started with little or no ammo . . .
I'm ready...
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I'm ready...
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I need to get me one of those......Savage or Marlin?.....
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Savage MkII. This is the one I had PTK shorten and thread for me. Stuck my Tactical Innovations Stratus suppressor on it. I've only put 20 rounds through it after I got it back 2 weeks ago. It took me 10 rounds to get it zero'd and then I put another 10 rounds in a ragged nickel sized hole at 50 yards. When it is warm enough that I'm not shivering uncontrollably I'll give it a serious run trying a variety of rounds for accuracy.
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I'm thinking the use of a 'scoped and suppressed .22 on a rooftop in the city with a case of ammo would help . . . one person can easily carry a case (5000 rds) of .22, and headshoot a LOT of zombies in a couple of hours.
Supply issues?
Somehow, unlike the TV show, I don't think the survivors would be those who started with little or no ammo . . .
not only that, but what? you tellin me that all those military vehicles and gunstores are empty of guns/ ammo? & cars- if it really is indeed the zombie apoc then there is guns/gas/ammo all over the place.
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not only that, but what? you tellin me that all those military vehicles and gunstores are empty of guns/ ammo? & cars- if it really is indeed the zombie apoc then there is guns/gas/ammo all over the place.
First thing I would do it go to a hardware store and promote a gas powered quickie saw.
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not only that, but what? you tellin me that all those military vehicles and gunstores are empty of guns/ ammo? & cars- if it really is indeed the zombie apoc then there is guns/gas/ammo all over the place.
Yeah, that's another nit to pick if we're picking nits. Besides cop stations, I doubt Georgia is low on guns. :)
If I didn't have any, I'd hit the suburb / rural areas and do a house to house.
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I just don't understand how those dudes in the tanks went down. ???
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Ran out of gas would be the obvious answer.
Wasn't it after hurricane Ike that a bunch of states ran out of gas?
All it takes is for the refineries to shut down, and then the trucks to stop moving it.
Couple that with high demand of massive evacuations of cities. Anyone who's not affected is running.
As far as guns and ammo, yeah, it should be everywhere.
Plot may not be bedrock solid, but its a whole hell of a lot better than the movie I watched last night. Avatar. [barf]
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guys in the tanks probably picked up wounded comrades who later bit them, Avatar was only meant to be watched on IMAX 3D, any other way it is incredibly clichéd boring tripe.
Speaking of Zombies, I had a dream the other night that I was one! Very strange, I was in a doorway because I knew that I had lived there before and hid behind a door to bite an old friend or family member ( didn't know who exactly but hey, I was a Zombie it was understandable) I bit them on the head, tasted like chicken. mmmmmmm brains
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Avatar, clichéd boring tripe. bull, it couldn't rise to "clichéd boring tripe" with the help of God almighty. :angel:
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Ah, that does make sense.
It is a great show, though; I've been following it closely.
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Put chain link across the top of a railrod cut or something.
Pile brush and soak with flammables or just let dry out.
Lure dead in bunches to cut til they stack up.
Close bottom end.
Burn, rinse, repeat.
same deal but chained in yard. lure dead in one entrance go out other. close entrance behind. kill at leisure.
I think the original NOLD had it right. Once you figure out what is going on, the threat outside confined areas is pretty low.
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Oh. Biker guy could have been working on getting the hacksaw to cut the small piece of all-thread the minute the cop left.
Instead he chose to sit there raging like an idiot rather than acting.
Dumb people deserve what they get.
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Oh. Biker guy could have been working on getting the hacksaw to cut the small piece of all-thread the minute the cop left.
Instead he chose to sit there raging like an idiot rather than acting.
Dumb people deserve what they get.
I think what they were trying to portray is that he was too dumb to figure it out. He got desperate and begged God to show him the answer, and if God did he'd change his ways.
God showed him the tools, and he immediately took credit for figuring it out all by his brilliant self and told God to buzz off; that he didn't need him.
He'll have payback coming for that one!
DD
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Spider monkeys are a REAL threat [ar15], zombies are still hypothetical. ;/
Hypothetical, for now anyway. This biological defense lab they are bringing to Manhattan, Ks. gives me the willies. Gotta wonder just what is going to go on behind those closed doors. This is how all the zombies in all the movies I've seen become zombies, from some defense department screwup. Haven't you all seen the Grindhouse films?
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I watched the last three episodes last night. One of the characters that stood out to me was Darryl. When he was introduced I was expecting a stereotypical white trash redneck. However I was pleasantly surprised to see through his actions he was more of an archtypical Celtic warrior. Brash and loudmouthed to be sure, but not stupid. Maybe a little foolhardy but very skilled with his weapons.
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Catching up on some episodes right now. Just watched them try to get the zombie out of the well.
Why aren't they making better use of the horse? Why was the rope wrapped around the rusty pipe to begin with? They had the horse and the pipe over the well.
When the zombie got stuck... why didn't they poke the head with a nail on a stick then pull it up from the pants wearing some gloves?
The Incompetent Living seems an apt title for the show more oft than not.
Had it been me dealing with that situation... tarp with 4 weights on the corner and a rope to one. Once down and around the zombie, spin a few times then pull up... I'd probably use a pickup truck for greater control than the horse, or maybe even salvage for an actual winch. A well is pretty important and that thing being down for a few more hours isn't apt to do much more harm. Then of course bleach the crap out of the water. I hear that fixes all problems with wells ;)
Always remember the 7 Ps.
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Ned, Ned, Ned...
You know full well that most of us had similar reactions. However, effective anti-zombie tactics (and better interpersonal skills, for that matter) would give the writers very little to do, and make for very short programming.
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Reviving an old thread I see . . .
As for what Ned wrote, the best commentary I've seen on this show stated that while people actually do stupid things, it gets old when they do nothing but stupid things. Over . . . and over . . . and over. :facepalm:
I'm almost to the point of rooting for the zombies . . .
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I was rooting for the zombie when the guy was dangling in the well. I mean, what a lucky break for a stuck in a well zombie right?
As for later in that episode... you know what I find sexy? A properly secured [and cushioned] environment.
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Ned, Ned, Ned...
You know full well that most of us had similar reactions. However, effective anti-zombie tactics (and better interpersonal skills, for that matter) would give the writers very little to do, and make for very short programming.
If the writers are so dumb and unoriginal they can only write about dysfunctional morons, they should seek out jobs outside fiction. Perhaps switch to writing gossip columns.
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I watched the last three episodes last night. One of the characters that stood out to me was Darryl. When he was introduced I was expecting a stereotypical white trash redneck. However I was pleasantly surprised to see through his actions he was more of an archtypical Celtic warrior. Brash and loudmouthed to be sure, but not stupid. Maybe a little foolhardy but very skilled with his weapons.
I had a funny feeling that when they abandoned his brother on top of the department store something like that was going to happen.
Or, he was going to kill them all. But that would have cut the series right there.
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If the writers are so dumb and unoriginal they can only write about dysfunctional morons,
Well, after the series was cancelled, the writers of the new Battlestar Galactica series had to find a new gig . . . [popcorn]
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this is the old season one thread, not the new improved season two thread