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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on October 19, 2010, 11:40:59 PM
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How do you view time?
1. sum_days(past) = sum_days(future)
Whether it's "today", the day just before Armageddon, the day Jesus was born, the day the first T-rex walked around or the "7th day" that God sat back on his haunches and said "hand me back my beer..." there was always a flow of Time even before Creation or the Big Bang, and there will always be a flow of Time after Armageddon or when all the stars grow cold.
2. sum_days(past) > sum_days(future)
Armageddon is coming, or the anticipated life-span of the cosmic fusion energy around us is less than what has been used so far. Entropy and damnation approach. There is more of our history (or Creation's history) behind us, than what is before us.
3. sum_days(past) < sum_days(future)
We are still in our infancy of Time. The potential before us (or some other chosen Race or alien life form) is untapped. All attempts of prophecy have been inherently childish, whether Buddhist, Christian, Einsteinian or Hawkingtonian. The force of Creation did indeed create Time at some "X" day in our past, and our potential has not reached the halfway point of the lifespan of the Creation cycle.
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Time is an illusion created by our brains to make sense of different states of entropy.
The universe may simply exist in a "long now" where matter and energy are free to move, but there actually is no time.
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time
Keep in mind there is no such thing as a device that actually measures time. We have many devices that count the swings of a pendulum, the unwinding of springs as moderated by gears, the vibrations of a quartz crystal exposed to an electrical current, or the vibration of cesium atoms.
All these devices simply measure physical events that are presumed to progress in time.
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So you're saying that clocks and time shares are a scam? And my employer can just refuse to pay me, as I can't prove that I worked any hours this week?
You're a real downer. =(
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I believe in Groundhog Day time. There's a big bang, universe grows and expands, then stops expanding, falls in upon itself, there's a Big Bang, the groundhog drives angry, wash, rinse, repeat, Ad infinitum.
Also can be viewed as God creates it all in six days, kicks back with a brewski on day seven, by day 20 or so gets bored with it or it's not working quite like he wants it to, scrunches it all up and starts over....
And yes, it is still all Fistful's fault.
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I don't think any of us will be alive in 100 years. And by us I don't mean APS members, I mean people in general.
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I don't think any of us will be alive in 100 years. And by us I don't mean APS members, I mean people in general.
Nuclear War, Climate Change, Asteroid, Plague, or other calamity ??
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I don't think any of us will be alive in 100 years. And by us I don't mean APS members, I mean people in general.
That's why I'm a SENS donor.
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Time is meaningless and yet it is all that exists. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNA17K572oo)
Pleasent unrealized realities aside, AJ will someday neatly sum up my views on the topic I had thousands of years ago...
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Time is an illusion created by our brains to make sense of different states of entropy.
The universe may simply exist in a "long now" where matter and energy are free to move, but there actually is no time.
^^ This......
I don't think any of us will be alive in 100 years. And by us I don't mean APS members, I mean people in general.
Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever....
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No plan survives first contact with the enemy.
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No plan survives first contact with the enemy.
That's why I have a Plan B and duct tape.... ;)
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I believe it's time for a beer. (https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpersonalpages.tds.net%2F%7Ebeebew%2Fsmilies%2Fbeer.gif&hash=aca7fe4367efd5f0357e0e8fc7af6f821daff327)
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I taste purple.
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I taste purple.
Eating crayons again? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ20Ot9V4Kg) =D
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IMHO time and mathematics are why Einstein, Hawkins and their ilk will never reach the solution they seek. Both are inventions of man and neither are perfect. I don't believe you can reach a correct solution with imperfect methods. Garbage in / garbage out.
My evidence? The fact that we need a "leap year" every four years and the fact that noone has yet to solve Pi.
The conundrum of Pi fascinates me. I think it's the closest we can come to seeing the hand of God at work in terms of the inner workings of the universe.
Pie does too. Is there bacon pie? I guess there could be. ;)
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So you're saying that clocks and time shares are a scam? And my employer can just refuse to pay me, as I can't prove that I worked any hours this week?
You're a real downer. =(
This "work" you speak of.... What form did it consist of? Was the effort you claim to have expended in any way similar to the expenditure of effort your employer expected of you?
And as for time shares - everybody knows they are scams.
stay safe.
PS - Although I set a new personal best record this morning for the number of consecutive days waking up alive, I fear I may not be able to continue for much longer. Seems that "old age" thing may get in the way sooner rather than later.
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I set a new personal best record this morning for the number of consecutive days waking up alive
Never thought of it that way before. :lol:
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Time always has been, and always will be, long before and long after anyone's around to measure it.
It's infinite.
Therefore;
Sum of time Past= Sum of time Future
There you go
Glad I could help
Carry on.
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Time is an illusion created by our brains to make sense of different states of entropy.
And we've added layers of religion and culture on top of that, and those vary so much more than the choices offered even within any given culture/religion.
I object to the choices, which presume a linear perspective on time. Personally, my theory of time comes from Ecclesiasteses (sorry, no clue how to spell it in English): There ain't nuthin' new.
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. . . . I plan to live forever....
Me too - I'll either live forever or die trying. ;)
As for the metaphysical explanations of time . . . Sturgeon's Law applies.
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I taste purple.
nice
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Reality = (Possibility*Eternity)/Density of Jello
Brad
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I cannot believe that I am the first to say:
Time is CUBED.
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...and Pi are squared
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...and Pi are squared
Fool! Everybody knows pi are round. Cakes are square - sometimes.
stay safe.
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oops, I mean Pi are round... :facepalm:
Did you say there was cake? =D
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Wait, wouldn't bacon pie be square? ;)
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Time is an illusion
Lunchtime doubly so.
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i can haz time thief. :O
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Pi are round, cornbread are square.
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Time always has been, and always will be, long before and long after anyone's around to measure it.
It's infinite.
Since time is a by-product of creation, resulting from the creation of finite matter and finite minds, by an infinite, eternal God; my reflex is to say that time started at creation, and will continue for eternity. But that implies a point in time before time. Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed.
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I believe time will cease to exist when man ceases to exist. It is nothing more than a ruler used to mark out the day, week etc... The universe is timeless, man chooses to attach a value to it. Possibly out of necessity? It is based on the rotation of the earth and it's orbit around the sun. I'd say it's pretty arrogant of man to think that the secrets to the universe are based soley on the operating sequence of his particular planet. Like the universe revolves around us, right? ;/
Then of course there's the whole ten fingers thing.
Pi is God's way of saying, [deep Godlike voice] "Mwah haa haaa, puny humans." [/deep Godlike voice] :lol:
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Pi is God's way of saying, [deep Godlike voice] "Mwah haa haaa, puny humans." [/deep Godlike voice] :lol:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finner-moppet.net%2Fmorbo%2Fpics%2Ftop.gif&hash=441a4541f4d4a79d91957e042a2669669c715471)
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Actually, you are all a figment of my imagination and I'm a bit bored with your machinations. I think I'm about ready to have a little target practice. [ar15] [ar15]
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It is based on the rotation of the earth and it's orbit around the sun. I'd say it's pretty arrogant of man to think that the secrets to the universe are based soley on the operating sequence of his particular planet. Like the universe revolves around us, right? ;/
No one's saying that time is dependent upon our planet. Are they? ???
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I believe time will cease to exist when man ceases to exist.
Except, time existed prior to man's existence.
That's proven either Biblically, or scientifically.
God created Man on the 6th day, so there were 5 days prior to that. And an unknown essence prior to the First Day, called "in the beginning," existed. With an unknown period for which that "beginning" stretched. Even the words used in Genesis 1:1 to 1:3 are interesting in this regard:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
This "beginning" existed prior to the first day, and God created prior to it. Which mean that time transcends God's creation of the Universe (or at least the heavens and the earth). The verb choices in 1:2 are interesting, as well as the notion of "now." Day one doesn't start until 1:3 (day cannot happen until light exists, so the events of 1:1 and 1:2 happen before day 1), but we have the acceptance of a point in time ("now") as well as demarking this moment with a past tense verb.
Granted, it isn't aramaic or the direct thoughts of God and merely the English language... but I bet similar notions of time acknowledgement are present in the original copies of Genesis.
or:
Dinosaurs were around long before man was there to observe them. As well as many other species, or even lifelessness (comets, stars, etc can all be dated). Carbon dating allows for the existence of time flow, or radioactive decay of some sort (in the case of astral bodies).
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Figment Newtons. Isaac Newtons. Whatever...
Brad
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Does anyone know if the church of the FSM has defined how Time began?
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Does anyone know if the church of the FSM has defined how Time began?
Knowing them, they probably say it began with a lame attempt to mock religion.
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Knowing them, they probably say it began with a lame attempt to mock religion.
lol.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.venganza.org%2Fimages%2Fspreadword%2Falix.jpg&hash=f8b51cdf31b441fc9b77594cad82b78d49af4e31)
I notice that the ground the "midgit" is standing on exists... prior to the FSM creating it. And he isn't standing on the FSM's mountain.
Evidently, Pastafarianism acknowledges that time spans before "the beginning."
ETA: I also realized that the church of the FSM also evidently believes in Quantum Observation of Time.
There's a midget. But there are no normal people. So, the FSM created a midget with the intent of it being a midget and named as a midget. Despite the fact that the midget is not a "midget" unless there is someone else to be compared against.
So, if Observation and comparison can happen outside of the scope of the Observer's life cycle, then Time can exist outside of the scope of human perception.
[/shovel bovine excrement] =D
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Actually, you are all a figment of my imagination and I'm a bit bored with your machinations. I think I'm about ready to have a little target practice. [ar15] [ar15]
i get to be the first target. :P
yeah, today was a bad day. it'll pass. in 2 hours and 10 minutes =)
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I wish to complain that the thread title is very disappointing. It should have been written like one of those sci-fi book titles, meant to entice the reader with awe and wonder.
The Poll of Time
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is that like "the poly of polies?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFCpf2d_1KY) :O
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i get to be the first target. :P
yeah, today was a bad day. it'll pass. in 2 hours and 10 minutes =)
It's only 8:35 here in Chicago....
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was looking at clock sideways. :facepalm: pain meds are workin' now anyway though. =D
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I cannot believe that I am the first to say:
Time is CUBED.
Darn you to Heck, MillCreek! I'm at the library and just LOL'd. A dozen law students are now giving me the Death Stare.
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A dozen law students are now giving me the Death Stare.
The time cube bids you ignore them. They are educated stupid and evil by dumb**s teachers to worship evil word god.
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Time is an illusion created by our brains to make sense of different states of entropy.
The universe may simply exist in a "long now" where matter and energy are free to move, but there actually is no time.
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time
Keep in mind there is no such thing as a device that actually measures time. We have many devices that count the swings of a pendulum, the unwinding of springs as moderated by gears, the vibrations of a quartz crystal exposed to an electrical current, or the vibration of cesium atoms.
All these devices simply measure physical events that are presumed to progress in time.
Pretty much what he said. In this physical plane of existence, two material objects cannot occupy the same space simultaneously, so we create the concept we call "time" to differentiate between when Object 'A' can occupy a specific subset of the space-time continuum and when Object 'B' can occupy that particular portion of the space-time continuum.
Once we get to the angelic realms, they have no physical being, thus they can occupy the same "space" at the same "time." Once that is possible, the concept of time becomes extraneous.
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Pretty much what he said. In this physical plane of existence, two material objects cannot occupy the same space simultaneously, so we create the concept we call "time" to differentiate between when Object 'A' can occupy a specific subset of the space-time continuum and when Object 'B' can occupy that particular portion of the space-time continuum.
Once we get to the angelic realms, they have no physical being, thus they can occupy the same "space" at the same "time." Once that is possible, the concept of time becomes extraneous.
Time also differentiates between "Hawkmoon is at the library" and "Hawkmoon is getting down at the disco." So unless angels can be in two places at once, they still observe time.
More importantly, if angels are beyond time, wouldn't that imply eternal existence? That might work OK for some belief systems, not so much for others.
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Time is a measure of change. If there is no change, then how can you say there is time? Time exists independent of man, because well, things change! The universe expands, planets orbit stars, atoms jiggle. NONE of this can be explored without the use of time. Time is as critical to an understanding of physics as the spatial coordinate systems we have constructed. Man need not observe this change for time to exist.
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Time also differentiates between "Hawkmoon is at the library" and "Hawkmoon is getting down at the disco." So unless angels can be in two places at once, they still observe time.
First time I've heard "Hawkmoon" and "angel" mentioned in the same breath.....kinda like stringing "fistful" and "blameless" together..... =|
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Time is a measure of change. If there is no change, then how can you say there is time? Time exists independent of man, because well, things change! The universe expands, planets orbit stars, atoms jiggle. NONE of this can be explored without the use of time. Time is as critical to an understanding of physics as the spatial coordinate systems we have constructed. Man need not observe this change for time to exist.
This.
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I believe we are fussing over the definition of "time"? I'm defining "time" as that method by which we observe/record change. And that method was created by man. That method is imperfect and therefore cannot be used in attempting to calculate the answer(s) to the questions of the universe.
But I see what you guys are getting at. It's almost the old tree in the forest argument? I'm saying time wouldn't exist if man wasn't here to observe and record it. Some (or all?) of you disagree. Cool! [popcorn]
=D
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I mean, what the hell does GOD need time for? He/She has no use for it! ;)
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This is no time to be taking polls about time. I don't have the time.
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Since I bought my used blue police box from some guy in the funny bowtie, I haven't had to worry about time..... =D
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The Aussie Aborigines call their concept of precreation/creation the "Dreamtime".
The European settlers had a saying, "I got no time for the Dreamtime!"
=|
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First time I've heard "Hawkmoon" and "angel" mentioned in the same breath.....kinda like stringing "fistful" and "blameless" together..... =|
Sort of like Jung talking about the self and the shadow, I suppose.
The thing about angels and the ability to be in multiple places at the same "time" is that there is no way (of which I am aware) to prove that they can ... or that they can't. Since angels are immortal and don't have physical bodies, I see no logical reason to postulate that they are subject to the same space-time constraints applicable to us humans. So, yeah, I believe angles can be in multiple places at the same "time." The key is that it's only "time" from our perspective. If you're immortal and non-physical, "time" is a meaningless construct.
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Since I bought my used blue police box from some guy in the funny bowtie, I haven't had to worry about time..... =D
Time=Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff =D
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Time is what stops stuff from happening all at once.
Plus I think we're to the point of arguing Schrödinger's Cat.
(cool the umlats copied over. I like umlats !!!)
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He/She has no use for it! ;)
How dare you limit GOD to a binary gender scheme? Oppressor!
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I'm saying time wouldn't exist if man wasn't here to observe and record it.
That's kind of like saying that matter wouldn't exist, if man were not here to record it. I think you may be confusing the thing itself, with our perception of it.
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That's kind of like saying that matter wouldn't exist, if man were not here to record it. I think you may be confusing the thing itself, with our perception of it.
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Plus I think we're to the point of arguing Schrödinger's Cat.
(cool the umlats copied over. I like umlats !!!)
This ^^.
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That's kind of like saying that matter wouldn't exist, if man were not here to record it. I think you may be confusing the thing itself, with our perception of it.
Um, it wouldn't... =D
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How dare you limit GOD to a binary gender scheme? Oppressor!
Oops, once again, my bad... :facepalm:
:lol:
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Um, it wouldn't... =D
You really believe that?
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Damn good question! ;)
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Maybe that's why when you die and come back as a ghost you can pass through walls? ???
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you have to die to pass through walls? i use a door. [tinfoil]
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Only because you have to. =D
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Only because you have to. =D
When you have detcord, you have a lot of options.... ;)
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Keep in mind there is no such thing as a device that actually measures time. We have many devices that count the swings of a pendulum, the unwinding of springs as moderated by gears, the vibrations of a quartz crystal exposed to an electrical current, or the vibration of cesium atoms.
All these devices simply measure physical events that are presumed to progress in time.
Son ofa....... now i'm all crosseyed and have a headache.......
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Of course, to really mess with your head, think about the jerk function. No, not mods when they're grumpy, but rather the rate of change of accelleration.
In other words, think in terms of m/s3
Meters per second, per second, per second.
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Son ofa....... now i'm all crosseyed and have a headache.......
So....does this mean my new invention (a device that measures the swinging of a pendulum on clocks) won't have a viable market?..... =|
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How dare you limit GOD to a binary gender scheme? Oppressor!
Okay ... He/She/It/They
Happy(er) now?