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Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: bg on March 07, 2006, 07:00:45 AM

When I was in, we didn't hear about deserters much. In the 4 different
units I was in from Basic all the way to short time, I think only one
bailed and he came back after his girlie told him,
"no check, no lovie dovie".

Other than that, nada..I was pretty surprised to read this today..>
http://www.yahoo.com/s/277551

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: Nathaniel Firethorn on March 07, 2006, 08:15:15 AM

Just outa curiosity, how many deserters were there during WWII?

- NF

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 07, 2006, 08:15:19 AM

Quote from: bg

When I was in, we didn't hear about deserters much. In the 4 different
units I was in from Basic all the way to short time, I think only one
baile and he came back after his girlie told him,
"no check, no lovie dovie".

Other than that, nada..I was pretty surprised to read this today..>
http://www.yahoo.com/s/277551

I knew of a few when I was in, post Desert Storm.  On top of that, a few who went AWOL for more than a few days (as much as 3 months in one case I remember), she tried to act like nothing happened when she came back, just showed up for work.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: jefnvk on March 07, 2006, 08:36:13 AM

So what happens when they show up?  Do they just take them back?

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: El Tejon on March 07, 2006, 08:46:36 AM

Went to high school with a deserter.  Walked away from a USN school in Jacksonville and never came back.

After spending some time in the federal pen, he drifted around in the West for a while.  Died of a drug overdose a few years ago.

So much potential, what a waste.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: doczinn on March 07, 2006, 09:42:03 AM

Read carefully and you'll see that desertion rates are actually DOWN, but they spin it to look like the opposite.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: 3fgburner on March 07, 2006, 10:03:55 AM

Quote from: jefnvk

So what happens when they show up?  Do they just take them back?

Desertion, technically, = AWOL > 30 days.  When I was in, it was typically court-martial, and jail time followed by bad discharge.  Note that a courtmartial = federal criminal conviction. Dishonorable Discharge = federal felony conviction.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 07, 2006, 11:40:20 AM

Quote from: 3fgburner

Quote from: jefnvk

So what happens when they show up?  Do they just take them back?

Desertion, technically, = AWOL > 30 days.  When I was in, it was typically court-martial, and jail time followed by bad discharge.  Note that a courtmartial = federal criminal conviction. Dishonorable Discharge = federal felony conviction.

That was what I typically noticed, too.  The ones I saw were usually just AWOL.  Generally not a Courts Martial, but some bad juju.  NJP with lost rank, pay, restriction, and brig time.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: MillCreek on March 07, 2006, 03:10:46 PM

At the indoor range I frequent, I occasionally run into some sailors from Naval Station Everett doing some practicing, mostly with M-11s (Sig P228).  A bunch of them came in one day, all wearing the same T-shirt: USN ACU.  I could figure out the first acronyms United States Navy but ACU had me stumped.  I finally asked the PO1 in charge and she laughed and said it stood for 'Absentee Collection Unit'.  In other words, they are the people who go out looking for you if you happen to overstay your leave by a few days.  For a perfectly good and understandable reason, of course.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: jefnvk on March 07, 2006, 07:32:02 PM

OK, makes more sense to know it is really AWOL and not desertion

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 08, 2006, 09:54:30 AM

Anyone else notice that they don't bother to tell the real story (desertion is down considerably in recent years) until the end of the article?  The story creats the impression that soldiers are deserting in droves in protest over the Iraq war, yet the facts support exactly the opposite conclusion.  

Do the reporters really not believe that we're smart enough to see through this crap?

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: El Tejon on March 08, 2006, 10:05:46 AM

Come on, HTG, the reporters have a job to do--to undermine the USA in whatever way they can.  It's just business.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: doczinn on March 08, 2006, 11:53:13 AM

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Do the reporters really not believe that we're smart enough to see through this crap?

Unfortunately, many are not.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: RevDisk on March 08, 2006, 12:00:05 PM

Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner

Do the reporters really not believe that we're smart enough to see through this crap?

Yes.  

Ask a random left winger what the Assault Weapons Ban did.   Ask a random right winger what the Patriot Act does.   You'd sincerely be surprised at how inaccurate the answers will be.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: Gewehr98 on March 08, 2006, 03:08:15 PM

It depends...

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OK, makes more sense to know it is really AWOL and not desertion

If you hold a certain level of security clearance or higher, they actually skip the AWOL thing and go right to Deserter status.  I had to remind a couple of my young airmen about that when they went on a trip and I thought they weren't allowing themselves enough time for travel.  

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: publius on March 10, 2006, 03:16:48 AM

Quote from: doczinn

Read carefully and you'll see that desertion rates are actually DOWN, but they spin it to look like the opposite.

Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner

Anyone else notice that they don't bother to tell the real story (desertion is down considerably in recent years) until the end of the article?  The story creats the impression that soldiers are deserting in droves in protest over the Iraq war, yet the facts support exactly the opposite conclusion.  

Do the reporters really not believe that we're smart enough to see through this crap?

Which article are you guys reading? I clicked the link, and the very first paragraph says this:

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At least 8,000 members of the all-volunteer U.S. military have deserted since the Iraq war began, Pentagon records show, although the overall desertion rate has plunged since the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

Title: Had no idea there were so many deserters..
Post by: doczinn on March 10, 2006, 05:06:54 AM

Maybe it's the giant headline "8000 desert during Iraq war"

Maybe it's the wording of the rest of the story, to make it more sensational.

Maybe it's because there's no reason for this to be a news story unless the numbers were up, or unless they wanted to make the story about the numbers being down.

Somehow, even though desertions are down, they've written a story about high levels of desertion during the Iraq war.