Post by: Lennyjoe on March 16, 2006, 11:22:57 AM
I watched a video she had and laughed the whole way thru. Sounded like Alec Baldwin narrated it. I wasn't laughing at the way they were treating the animals but at the way the film was made. I'm pretty sure they aint going around beating cows with a hammer at the processing plant.
Anyway, we are meat eaters in the house and she complains when we make dinner and it has meat in it (like spaghetti with meat sauce). She even drinks soy milk.
We give her a hard time about it but I respect her and her decisions to become a vegetarian. I'll support her as much as I can but if I feel she is hurting herself then I'll give her guidence. For now I'll stand by her side.
As for the rest of us, its venison on the grill tonight and tomorrow is pot roast:)
Post by: K Frame on March 16, 2006, 11:37:51 AM
Post by: Art Eatman on March 16, 2006, 11:54:07 AM
Oh, well. Make darned sure she gets vitamin supplements. A meatless diet without the supplements is unhealthy...
Art
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 16, 2006, 12:10:18 PM
Just as with so many liberal groups, the lunatics have taken over the asylum at PETA.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on March 16, 2006, 12:16:45 PM
http://www.animalscam.com/
Also, I might have sponsor your daughter
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor
Post by: crt360 on March 16, 2006, 12:48:51 PM
Since PETA, along with ALF and ELF, is probably under heavy FBI surveillance, and you now have a PETA member address, you might get some attention from large ammo orders, etc.
"Listen carefully and you can hear the vegetables scream when you stick your fork into them."
I actually had a teacher who would come into the classroom and yell at us for hurting her plants. She said she could hear them screaming all the way out in the hall. She was dead serious.
Post by: crt360 on March 16, 2006, 12:53:09 PM
The FBI is on the watch for special-interest terrorists committing crimes in the United States.
Fox News/December 3, 2002
By James Rosen and Liza Porteus
Post by: Spec ops Grunt on March 16, 2006, 01:29:56 PM
Which is why I hate PETA.
http://www.animalscam.com/peta_7things.cfm
Your daughter can be a vegatarian, just for the love of God get her to quit PETA.
Post by: Justin on March 16, 2006, 01:58:52 PM
(Language warning.)
Post by: ...has left the building. on March 16, 2006, 02:01:32 PM
Hunters and fisherman have done more for the environment than PETA ever has. For further evidence, look at the celebrity champions: Pam Anderson and Ted Nugent. How many trees does Pam plant each year?
Post by: Declaration Day on March 16, 2006, 02:04:02 PM
Of course she is a vegetarian, and she feeds her two young children only vegetarian foods. She doesn't preach to any of us, so we don't say anything to her.
Now my youngest daughter's best friend (they're both 9) declared herself to be vegetarian recently. She says she "feels bad for the animals". I can respect her decision, and she can whine about it all she wants in her home, but she came into my home and tried to preach it to my kids. I put a stop to that quickly, telling her to keep that opinion to herself while in our home.
As I feared, it started rubbing off on my youngest daughter.....
Before I go any further, let me say that I eat meat, LOTS of it. We are part of the food chain, so we're supposed to eat it, that's just how things are.
So one night my daughter refused to eat spaghetti because it had meat in it. I said "Fine then, don't eat." She ate a few noodles and went to bed hungry. She tried this little protest once again about a week later. Again, it didn't work.
Finally I told her that if she kept this up, I would buy only meat products to eat, and cans of beef gravy to drink. I wasn't serious of course, but my 9 year old thought I meant it.
That was the last time she complained about meat, and she eats it as often as we do. I even have her friend eating it once in a while, when she comes over.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on March 16, 2006, 02:08:32 PM
Post by: Spec ops Grunt on March 16, 2006, 02:19:50 PM
Chickens are just fish that can breathe air.
Post by: Justin on March 16, 2006, 02:39:07 PM
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Chickens are just fish that can breathe air.
I've always just thought of them as a really fast vegetable.
Post by: jefnvk on March 16, 2006, 02:42:56 PM
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Hunters and fisherman have done more for the environment than PETA ever has. For further evidence, look at the celebrity champions: Pam Anderson and Ted Nugent. How many trees does Pam plant each year?
Oh, but don't you know that hunters do it just so they have something to shoot?Do what I've known a few of my friend's parents who had daughters that decided they were vegetarians did. Tell the kid that its fine, they just get to buy and prepare their own food if they didn't like the meat being served.
Seems their morals go away quick when it is no longer easy for them.
Post by: Spec ops Grunt on March 16, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 16, 2006, 04:27:46 PM
Something tells me that she will slowly return back to eating meat in time. Must be just a phase she's going thru to find her true self. For that reason, I will stand by her decisions and not try to pressure her or give her a hard time on it.
Post by: ...has left the building. on March 16, 2006, 05:12:48 PM
Lennyjoe- Sounds like you're a good dad. Nice job!
Post by: Stranger on March 17, 2006, 03:02:06 AM
Post by: Balog on March 17, 2006, 03:12:35 AM
Edit: here we go. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
Link goes to article pointing out the millions of tiny animals killed by the combines that harvest grains for vegans to eat. Includes a link to PETA hate mail he received at the bottom.
Post by: CatsDieNow on March 17, 2006, 03:23:53 AM
I used to work for a company that made equipment used at rendering plants. Went out to help fix said equipment and the smell and the "rivers of blood" disgusted me to the point that I won't eat chicken. This was a less-than-compliant-with-the-law kind of place because part of the rendering process inclduded sucking the chickens off a truck with a hose and letting them be crushed by our machinery. Their complaint with our machinery: not water-tight. We refused service and reported them.
(I refused to go to the beef rendering plant - I like meat).
Post by: Balog on March 17, 2006, 03:26:24 AM
Post by: Gewehr98 on March 17, 2006, 07:15:28 AM
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tend to stay away from chicken most of the time ( except Wendys spicy chicken ) Its not because I dont like chicken, I toured a Tyson Chicken plant back in college. SCARY! Im not going to give any details but just say Ive lost my appetite for wings.
I worked on an egg farm, a chicken farm (there's a difference), and a dairy farm to pay my tuition in younger days.Trust me, if John Q. Public had a video of each entire operation, they'd probably think twice. Bloody eggs, trampled chickens, cows w/mastitis, you name it. Milk sold for cheese is simply downgraded milk that had bacteria too high for sale as moo juice for consumption. That decision is made in the dairy parlor when the truck driver tests the product before he loads it into the shiny stainless steel truck. I've seen adult farmers cry when that happens.
Doesn't bother me. Part of a healthy immune system is introducing a microbe or two. Regardless, the bloody eggs get ultrasonically cleaned with the rest of 'em, the trampled chickens get recycled with the manure, and the milk collected from the cow with mastitis gets dumped behind the barn. All nice and clean for the grocer's shelf...
Post by: CatsDieNow on March 17, 2006, 08:08:44 AM
Forgot to mention what these chickens were being rendered into - blood and bone meal used for...chicken food. Had Soylent Green flashes in between waves of nausea.
Post by: SteveS on March 17, 2006, 08:17:18 AM
When she was into this, she said that I couldn't go a month without eating meat. I did it, but it was miserable. I remember seeing raw hamburger and thinking that looks good, wanting to shovel it into my mouth.
Post by: Balog on March 17, 2006, 10:59:15 AM
But putting that aside for a second, you gotta admit the hose thing is funny. Mr Chicken, minding his own business, "Hey, what's this? Will it be my frieeeee" WHOOSH! The surprised look on his little chicken face..... priceless.
Post by: RevDisk on March 17, 2006, 12:05:31 PM
It's a bit snobbish, I know, but I still look down at folks whom eat meat that have never killed any animal themselves, nor seen how meat is processed.
Post by: Gewehr98 on March 17, 2006, 01:48:59 PM
Of course, I got over any and all food aversions I had during USAF combat survival school in the Colville National Forest.
Post by: roo_ster on March 17, 2006, 05:08:29 PM
The guy who invented this is earning a poultry sum in royalties.
Post by: Art Eatman on March 17, 2006, 05:29:40 PM
Seriously, though, how can a person speak favorably of PETA without acknowledging the fundamental thought of its founder and still present leader, Ingrid Newkirk: "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." (Or girl.) To Ms. Newkirk, "owning" a pet is equally evil to eating meat. Having pets should be outlawed, she has said in public.
But, folks pick and choose from among the first ten amendments to our Constitution...
Consistency in thought. That's my problem, I guess; I'm all hobgoblined.
Art
Post by: mfree on March 18, 2006, 05:27:36 AM
Chickens are also literally as dumb as rocks. I almost believe the "turkeys drowning in rain" wive's tales because of them.
Henceforth I foster absolutely no guilt in eating one of these automated protein producing machines.
Post by: Tallpine on March 18, 2006, 07:04:10 AM
Actually, they probably could ... except for all the govt regulations and distribution problems that keep the smaller farm enterprises out of the business
We have some friends with a cattle ranch (2 doors down, which is about 5 miles) who also have chickens. They give us eggs whenever they have surplus but refuse to take any money for them because of all the hassles that they would have accounting for an egg operation.
Post by: Art Eatman on March 18, 2006, 03:04:37 PM
Starting when I was twelve, for some three years I had about 200 laying hens. School money. I could get ten cents a dozen more for the eggs by cleaning them with vinegar and selling them to the UT sorority houses. Y'know, it was not until after I got out of the Army that I got to where I could eat an egg.
But there aren't enough small-operation farms in the U.S. to do yard eggs for even one major metro area, much less the country...
Art
Post by: Balog on March 19, 2006, 04:00:35 AM
Good job, it's tacticaltastic!
Post by: Tallpine on March 19, 2006, 07:32:22 AM
)Though it would be something one could do without a huge acreage. We thought about getting into meat rabbits for a while ... there used to be a truck that came through this area picking up live rabbits and taking them to a processor in CA, but for some reason that's not happening anymore. IIRC, there was a disease outbreak and a whole truckload(s) were seized and destroyed "just in case."
Anyway, it seems pretty hard to be a small producer of any ag products anymore. Maybe back east you could still do a small truck farm or orchard, but I just don't want to live back there. I do have a neighbor that raises vegetables in a greenhouse and sells them, but you have to be pretty dedicated (obsessed) to make that work in this dry and windy country.
Post by: Ben on March 19, 2006, 08:32:42 AM
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I've not had much interest in being a chicken rancher (seems like they would be awful hard to rope and brand )
Probably depends on just which kind of chicken ranch you're talking about....
Post by: CatsDieNow on March 20, 2006, 03:39:27 AM
Post by: Art Eatman on March 20, 2006, 05:11:54 AM
Who's gonna take care of the domestic animals? It'll get a bit stinky, out...
With no hunting, what's gonna happen when the deer overpopulate the habitat? When there is no money for game wardens to protect against poaching? We already have a problem with guys killing deer and elk when the horns are in velvet, selling to Asia--and the same for gall bladders from bears.
It all sounds so good, or looks good on paper. Trouble is, it's dumber'n hammered dirt.
But that's the Pitiful PETA People...
Art