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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AJ Dual on January 03, 2011, 12:37:38 AM
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They are going to run me into the damn poor-house. :mad:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294003013
And Oleg because he gets to see and play with this stuff before I can. :-X
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294032677/0#1
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The problem is that this thing is so bad ass that its going to be hard to find. For awhile. :facepalm:
WANT.
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Oh my goodness. Do. Want.
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Oleg, here's the deal. You better pimp your connections with Kel Tec to get us all some T&E guns, yeah, T&E samples...or Fistful gets it.
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The problem is that this thing is so bad ass that its going to be hard to find. For about two years after it's release. :facepalm:
WANT.
Fixed it for you.
I really wish I knew what KT's production bottleneck was. First it was to be the new factory building about two years ago, that was finished, then it was getting the CNC stuff on line.
I've heard rumors they don't have enough 220 or 440V at the site to power all the CNC machines at once. (shrug) I guess I could see them in a fight with the local utility who wants them to pay some ungodly fee to run more service, or upgrade a substation etc.
Over on KTOG there was a big deal made about how they "learned their lesson" on the PMR-30 (And RFB) and they wouldn't be messing up with the new RMR-30 22mag carbine that's also just pure sex too. Although I got the impression that promise was more about making promised release dates, than actually meeting production/market demand. =|
Maybe they're just overly cautious with cash outlay, won't take loans and only buy tooling and machines (and new hires) as they can pay for them out of pocket and it slows growth, but never leaves them in the red either, dunno.
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*whimper*
Uhm, can we try to beg, plead, or blackmail a group buy?
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I knew there was a reason to delay a shotgun purchase the past couple years. It's that.
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This can't be real. But if it is, it is iron-clad proof that God exists, and loves us all very, very, very much. I am not just whelmed, but overwhelmed. :'(
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Now thats a bug gun
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Oh my! I think I feel a tingle going up my leg.
I might have to consider a new cruiser shotgun.
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Looks fun, but I'll let you guys beta test it first.
Chris
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This can't be real. But if it is, it is iron-clad proof that God exists, and loves us all very, very, very much. I am not just whelmed, but overwhelmed. :'(
Oh, yes.
14 up the tubes. 26" OAL. Perfect truck gun.
It cries out for a good reflex sight, something I thought I'd never put on a shotgun, but KT has produced a shotgun so un-derivative of other shotguns, I'll make the exception.
If it turns out to be reliable, I'll take two, no three.
If it feeds those itty bitty Aguila shells I'd have to go in a closet & hug myself.
One question...how do you load it?
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One question...how do you load it?
Frumunda
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Oooooh.
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Anyone else picturing Elmer Fudd out in the woods with one of these? "Hunting waaabbits" :laugh:
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If it feeds those itty bitty Aguila shells I'd have to go in a closet & hug myself.
Ooh, you're a dirty boy. I'm with ya though, if it turns out to be reliable, relatively inexpensive (less than $500), and feeds Aguila minishells, I'll be all over one like white on rice.
If it doesn't feed minishells, but is inexpensive and reliable, then I'll still get one, but I won't squeal like a schoolgirl as I pay for it. :D
Chris
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Why would you want the minishells? Is this the one place on the innernets that doesn't want 4" magnums?
Neat gun, but it's a pump. Shorter than my Sterling with its stock folded, which is nice.
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Am I correct in assuming that the entire idea of the minishell is to be able to load more rounds?
And if so, might I inquire as to which shotgun you are currenly cramming 14 of them into?
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that is sweet!
would that be 20+1 with the minishells?
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It's a pump? Awww, forget it... =(
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And if so, might I inquire as to which shotgun you are currenly cramming 14 of them into?
The Kel-Tec holds 14 2.75" shells - 2 full-sized tube magazines.
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The Kel-Tec holds 14 2.75" shells - 2 full-sized tube magazines.
Oh I get it. I just find it . . . amusing that someone presents a 14-round shotgun and a few people are all "If I can put 20 rounds in it, I might buy it!" :)
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800 bucks says the rumor mill
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On the Ktog thread I read, one of the Kel Tec folks insinuates that it should be about half the cost of the RFB. What's the RFB, $1200? So we're looking about $600 or so. I be initial demand brings $800-$1000 for them. If I go back to work, I'll be hunting for one as soon as they come out.
12ga power, high capacity, and compact package. I think its going to be a badass home defense and gun games shotgun.
The thread said that you select the tube to load and fire from with the flick of a switch. So you could stack one with slugs and one with buck.
Zombies, beware!
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Bloody. Freaking. Hell. I'm already broke.
Want, with sell fluids/organs desperation.
SADShooter
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Why minishells? They're FUN and a good way to train youngsters on a fullsized gun without fullsized recoil. A minishell in a normal 12ga gun has less recoil than even a 410.
If the price is right and it's reliable, I'll probably get one even if it doesn't feed minishells, but having that capability just sweetens the deal.
Chris
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This may wind up being my first shotgun.
I was getting all ready to buy a Mossberg in 1st quarter this year. All I wanted it for was HD and gun games... if I want to hunt tiny AZ doves and such then I'll go out and get a 20ga NEF or something.
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Am I correct in assuming that the entire idea of the minishell is to be able to load more rounds?
And if so, might I inquire as to which shotgun you are currenly cramming 14 of them into?
Why minishells? They're FUN and a good way to train youngsters on a fullsized gun without fullsized recoil. A minishell in a normal 12ga gun has less recoil than even a 410.
If the price is right and it's reliable, I'll probably get one even if it doesn't feed minishells, but having that capability just sweetens the deal.
Chris
What mtnbkr wrote. It is not a capacity thing, it is a recoil thing.
Plus, I am of the mind that the mini-shell slugs are powerful & penetrative enough for HD. 7/8oz slug at 1200fps. HEck the mini-buck is something like 7 #4 buck plus 4 #1 buck at 1200fps.
The "load Sunday and shoot all week" aspect of greater mini-shell capacity is incidental.
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7/8oz slug at 1200fps.
That's a 383grain, .73caliber projectile. That's roughly 500Linebaugh performance out of a gun that would hold 20ish shots. That'll slow someone down...
This would make a dandy camp gun in bear country too. Let her rip when Yogi comes sniffing around for pic-a-nic baskets.
Ooh ooh, I just though of other fun stuff. Bird Bombs. Lots.Of.Bird.Bombs. :D
Chris
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In the KTOG thread, the KelTec rep said it hasn't been tested with mini shells, but that was an interesting idea.
I'm perfectly happy with the gun the way it is. Iron ghost rings, maybe a red dot, 3 point sling.....drrool
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It was hinted at over on KTOG that a semi-auto was a possibility someday. Considering how autos fit in the same exact size/space envelope as pumps, I think it's eminintely do-able. Although the ability to switch ammo especially for LE between lethal, and less-lethals would probably keep the pump on the front burner IMO. (OTOH, actually loading a tube with bean-bags, baton, etc. and the other with buck or slugs... that might be a LEA liability nightmare, dunno...)
And others who suggested a follow-on model with 20" barrel and 20 shells were treated kindly for the suggestion... =)
It cries out for a good reflex sight, something I thought I'd never put on a shotgun, but KT has produced a shotgun so un-derivative of other shotguns, I'll make the exception.
If it turns out to be reliable, I'll take two, no three.
One question...how do you load it?
It is somewhat derivative, google the Neostead from South Africa. Twin magazine tube bullpup pump action. Although the design is flipped from the Keltec here, and has other differences. However, it never made it to market here, so kudos on KT for running with the idea.
You load it much like a traditional pump, (Like a bottom-ejecting Ithaca) there's just an extra-wide loading/ejection port with two openings in there.
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I am less than impressed by the mini slugs, they are smaller than bore by a good bit at least on my IC 870 and no provision for a skirt or wad that expands to bore size. My 870 fed them okay, accuracy was teh suck. But I do want this thing. Makes not being able to touch a Neostad all better.
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Yeah, no interest in mini-shells either. If 14+1 isn't enough, my Saiga and 20 round drums will satisfy that urge.
And if you have the right gear, low-recoil, lightweight shells for plinking or the recoil sensitive can be loaded up more economically, especially if you're starting with once-fired hulls. The Lee LoadAll II is only $40 online in several places.
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You know....a screw on recoil compensator would be the bees knees....I'll have to post the suggestion to keltec.
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At $600 to $800... If quality is acceptable, I will buy three.
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Anyone else picturing Elmer Fudd out in the woods with one of these? "Hunting waaabbits" :laugh:
First thing Tuco'd do is shoot at 25 from station 7 and 8.
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The fact that they're taking on so many new products, RFB, PMR-30, the announced RMR-30 companion carbine, and now this, I REALLY hope it means KT has sorted out their production bottlenecks, whatever they are. =|
They're missing out on a TON of business, considering MSRP on the RFB is $1200, which normally SHOULD mean a street price of about $1000 or so. They ought to be taking a HUGE bite out of both DSA's FAL business, and SA's M1A stranglehold on the .308 auto-loader market. And forcing those products pricing down too. I don't know about DSA, but I'll bet SA has a few hundred bucks they can cut somewhere with the Brazilian cast receivers and all those MIM parts...
It's better now, but RFB's are still going for $1500 on up. More like $1800-1900 due to short supply. Sometimes one that makes it through the dealer/distributor channel goes for $1300. I'd feel a bit better to see some market-flooding on KT's existing products that aren't meeting demand before announcing new ones.
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Considering Ruger just introduced the LC9 today (PF9 copy, anyone?), I'm thinking Kel Tec is having a direct impact on the market. Just not the semi-auto rifle market.
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Although the ability to switch ammo especially for LE between lethal, and less-lethals would probably keep the pump on the front burner IMO. (OTOH, actually loading a tube with bean-bags, baton, etc. and the other with buck or slugs... that might be a LEA liability nightmare, dunno...)
Oh hell f***ing no. Big no no, that would get screwed up and somebody would die.
LL shotguns are to be well designated as such and only ever loading with LL ammunition, and preferably, have bright orange stocks.
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I'm glad I'm stationed in California. That thing probably won't be sold here since it would make people wet their pants. Now I have two or three years to save up money for that, and time to build up my stock of 12 GA ammo.
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Considering Ruger just introduced the LC9 today (PF9 copy, anyone?), I'm thinking Kel Tec is having a direct impact on the market. Just not the semi-auto rifle market.
Oh, oh, oh. That's what it was (gone on service call all morn).
Better sights, and a (ooof!) manual safety (why?). SRP $443, which means street price is still going to be about a hundred more than I paid for my PF9.
We shall see.
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Ruger LC9: Yawn.
Had they put out an LCR in 22lr, I would have been all over that. I don't need or want a bottom feeder.
Chris
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Oh, oh, oh. That's what it was (gone on service call all morn).
Better sights, and a (ooof!) manual safety (why?). SRP $443, which means street price is still going to be about a hundred more than I paid for my PF9.
We shall see.
Because the lawyers said so.... ;/
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damn, just re-read NYS law which states that is is unlawful to have a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". as defined below:
“Large capacity ammunition feeding device” means
a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device,
manufactured after September 13, 1994, that has a
capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted
to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition. There
is an exception for an attached tubular device designed
to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber
rimfire ammunition.
double damn!
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but this one has 2 , 7 rounders
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i like the way you think!
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Either I'm getting old (a given), or that is one really cool looking shotgun that pretty blond girl is holding. I barely even noticed her...not really... but that SG really is sweet.
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Either I'm getting old (a given), or that is one really cool looking shotgun that pretty blond girl is holding. I barely even noticed her...not really... but that SG really is sweet.
I thought she was kind of young looking, which is making me think I'm getting old.
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I thought she was kind of young looking, which is making me think I'm getting old.
I doubt you are older than 2(Ac - 7)
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2(Ac - 7)
??? Splayn, plz.
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??? Splayn, plz.
Half your age, plus 7 is the minimum age of someone you should date.
So, if we take Ac as "Age of chickie", I figure Jamis is probably not older than 2(Ac - 7), for values of Ac that seem likely based on the picture.
Although, now that I am looking at it, I realize that my fever-addled brain added 7 instead of subtracting 7, so perhaps he should feel old. . .
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...plus 7 is the minimum age of someone you should date.
You from West Virginia? ;)
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My Dad and I were talking about the 22 magnum pistol wondering if it would be made in 17 HMR, which also led me to 22 LR/17HM2.
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Half your age, plus 7 is the minimum age of someone you should date.
So, if we take Ac as "Age of chickie", I figure Jamis is probably not older than 2(Ac - 7), for values of Ac that seem likely based on the picture.
Although, now that I am looking at it, I realize that my fever-addled brain added 7 instead of subtracting 7, so perhaps he should feel old. . .
My head, it asplode.
Okay, wait. Basic math.
36/2=....um.....where in the *expletive deleted*ck is my calculator.
Okay
18. 18 plus 7 is 25.
Chickie in that picture don't look 25.
Good to know that if Wifey McMoneybags dumps me, Its okay to shop around down to 25 years old.... >:D
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My head, it asplode.
Okay, wait. Basic math.
36/2=....um.....where in the *expletive deleted* is my calculator.
Okay
18. 18 plus 7 is 25.
Chickie in that picture don't look 25.
Good to know that if Wifey McMoneybags dumps me, Its okay to shop around down to 25 years old.... >:D
As a 25 year old, I take this to mean that I can date up to a 36 year old woman?
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Isn't that nearing cougar territory?
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a cougar or 2 is good for your stamina
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It was hinted at over on KTOG that a semi-auto was a possibility someday. Considering how autos fit in the same exact size/space envelope as pumps, I think it's eminintely do-able.
Dream on.
The Clintonistas used Treasury's regulatory powers to declare the Stryker-12 and Streetsweeper shotguns to be "destructive devices" . . . the "pro gun" Bushmen left the ban in place. Do you think the Obamunists wouldn't do the same?
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Ooh, at 50, I can go down to a 32 year old woman. The only problem is that I have to sleep sometime, and Ms. MillCreek knows the combination to the gun safe.....
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Dream on.
The Clintonistas used Treasury's regulatory powers to declare the Stryker-12 and Streetsweeper shotguns to be "destructive devices" . . . the "pro gun" Bushmen left the ban in place. Do you think the Obamunists wouldn't do the same?
Don't forget the USAS-12 as well...
I used to think the same way, except how do you explain the Saiga hanging on so long without a DD classification? One would figure that starting out as an imported Kalashnikov action is about as un-PC as it gets. Unless one wants to theorize that the ATF and Treasury are simply unaware of the pistol grip conversions and people using the 12, 20, and 30 round drum magazines, or the entire Tromix corporation.
I wonder if the Stryker-12/Streetsweeper's association with South Africa/Apartheid, and the full-auto variants of the USAS-12 had more to do with them being declared DD's than simply their looks or capacities.
I don't know for sure, but my gut tells me there's a LOT more S-12's in circulation than there ever were Streetsweepers or USAS's.
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I'm sure the name "Streetsweeper" didn't help.
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I'm sure the name "Streetsweeper" didn't help.
IIRC they even had ads for keeping the city clean with a bunch of monkeys hanging off the buildings or something. :facepalm: