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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: roo_ster on March 03, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261191/headless-body-and-fenceless-border-mark-krikorian
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41883795/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
"CHANDLER, Ariz. — Authorities have determined a man who was stabbed and beheaded in a suburban Phoenix apartment was killed for stealing drugs from a Mexican cartel, in a gruesome example of drug cartel violence spilling over the border."
Unpossible!
Doesn't the BATFE push enough guns over the border so they can kill each other in Mexico without having to come over here?
And in another note...
Jan Brewer: Prematurely Anti-Decapitationist
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Man, that's no way to get a head in life.
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He should have quit while he was ahead.
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This is headed in the wrong direction.
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This is headed in the wrong direction.
True but it's nothing to lose your head over.
I wonder how high in the cartel you have to be to give that kind of go ahead to remove a head.
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Who's going to head up the investigation?
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He shouldn't have stuck his neck out and messed with the cartel's drugs.
Anyone else get an image of Javier Bardem on the loose?
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Take away from this incident: Mess with the cartels and heads will roll.
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Who's going to head up the investigation?
Probably the Head Detective.
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A capital idea.
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:facepalm:
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
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I guess they lost their heads. But come on. The guy was a suicidally stupid criminal.
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A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns. What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you?
I started it. I'm not apologizing. And to answer your question, you don't want to know.
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
Had it been a reasonably innocent citizen brutally murdered I'm sure the response would have been different.
The "victim" if we can believe the report, suffered from a case of terminal stupidity.
The only thing I'm pissed about is that it happened on US soil.
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Had it been a reasonably innocent citizen brutally murdered I'm sure the response would have been different.
The "victim" if we can believe the report, suffered from a case of terminal stupidity.
The only thing I'm pissed about is that it happened on US soil.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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I doubt this is the 1st, or even the 1001st time a foreign drug cartel has ordered a killing on US soil. The Mexicans do seem to like beheading people though. You'd think they were French.
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or al-qaeda. [tinfoil]
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or al-qaeda. [tinfoil]
What's the difference? Both are great fans of surrender.
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
Don't be so uptight; It's OK because he's not 'MMMMMURIKAN
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh."
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Don't be so uptight; It's OK because he's not 'MMMMMURIKAN
You mean you hope he's not an American? I hope so, too. The article didn't say. I'd prefer that cartels be afraid to attack Americans, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/28/nation/la-na-missionary-shooting-20110128
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
He stole drugs from a drug cartel. I'm pretty sure he wasn't stealing the drugs to keep them off the streets. He deserved what he got imo. With displays of intelligence like that I'm sure he's wasn't at the head of his class.
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
If the man in question was not himself an associate of a brutal, foreign drug cartel I might feel more sympathy. The only reason he was executed on our soil is that he knew he was on the hot list in Mexico so he bugged out across the border. It's not like the cartel just picked a name at random out of the Phoenix phone book and sent the goons to wipe out the person to whom the name belonged.
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What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
Murders of criminals by criminals fit into the "good riddance" category, so the response is going to be quite different than if an innocent were the victim. And beheadings of criminals by criminals is not unique to Mexican cartels and jihadis. (I keep thinking of the Joe Pesci movie "8 Heads in a Duffle Bag.")
Note that one of the linked stories stated that the victim, Martin Alejandro Cota-Monroy, 38, stole 400 pounds of marijuana and meth from a drug cartel while telling the cartel that the drugs had been seized by the Border Patrol, and that Cota-Monroy had been known to traffic drugs for his sister's lover, known as "El Jefe."
I'd say there's a better-than-even chance that Cota-Monroy was Mexican, not American.
Criminal cartels are also businessmen, so they kill those who steal from them in order to keep down their . . . overhead . . . costs.
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"Hahaha, this guy died and it's funny!"
You're all displaying prime examples of sociopathic behavior in gun owners. Congratulations.
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And you're way over the top. Sociopathic behavior? Seriously? I guess gun owners can't laugh at the Darwin Awards anymore?
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The tragic bit in the OP is not that some drug cartel middle-management got head-chopped, but that it is occurring on our soil.
Criminals will always kill other criminals in large numbers, but when they spill out of the cesspool in which they swim to mess up and stink up respectable folks & their domains, it merits notice.
Also, if it is natural and right to have sympathy & sorrow for someone good an innocent who is murdered, is it not also natural to express some satisfaction when someone evil and corrupt gets theirs?
Besides, I thought all this head-chopping was unpossible on American soil, that we could have an open border and the crime and human effluvia would stay on the southern side fo the border.
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"Hahaha, this guy died and it's funny!"
You're all displaying prime examples of sociopathic behavior in gun owners. Congratulations.
Sociopathic?
Now who's losing his head?
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This thread ought to have it's own theme song . . . it's not a precise match with the topic of Mexican drug cartel gang wars, but hey, it's not a bad song. (Graphics are a bit corny on this version.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epYGM9KC6S4
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sociopath, noun; a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience
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Well, if this is okay as long as it is someone we don't like then can I interest any of you in some jokes about Abu Ghraib? The one where the guy gets electrocuted through his testicles is a hoot!
Malum In Se. In deference to Mister Shaw in whom I usually give much credence, I sincerely doubt he was speaking about torture, murder and graphic intentional destruction of human remains with the intent to instill fear in others. It does not matter who did this act or to whom it was done, certain things remain vile and abhorrent from any and all quarters. That any of you would find the act amusing or tolerable as long as it is directed at persons you dislike is absolutely sociopathic.
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"Well, if this is okay as long as it is someone we don't like then can I interest any of you in some jokes about Abu Ghraib? The one where the guy gets electrocuted through his testicles is a hoot!"
It all depends on the circumstances. If the electrical current had run back into that little pecker-wood girl from W. Virginia ...now that would have been funny.
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Off color jokes at the expense of a dead man does not a sociopath make.
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. It does not matter who did this act or to whom it was done, certain things remain vile and abhorrent from any and all quarters. That any of you would find the act amusing or tolerable as long as it is directed at persons you dislike is absolutely sociopathic.
When the U.S. liberated Dachau, at first the camp guards were allowed to surrender.
After the extent of what has occurred there has become clear, witnesses state an American machinegunner fed a belt into his gun, looked at the Nazis standing next to the camp fence, and said, very calmly "I think they are trying to run away."
I can only define that phrase and what occurred next as freaking hilarious.
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Off color jokes at the expense of a dead man does not a sociopath make.
Such jokes are heard in the armed forces all the time.
"Durka, durka, mohammed jihad ..."
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If the man in question was not himself an associate of a brutal, foreign drug cartel I might feel more sympathy. The only reason he was executed on our soil is that he knew he was on the hot list in Mexico so he bugged out across the border. It's not like the cartel just picked a name at random out of the Phoenix phone book and sent the goons to wipe out the person to whom the name belonged.
No one's asking anyone to feel sympathy, empathy or any-thy.
That's a poor straw-man argument and you know it.
All we're asking is for folks not to act like a bunch of middle-schoolers that just stole an older kid's copy of cannibal corpse.
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All we're asking is for folks not to act like a bunch of middle-schoolers that just stole an older kid's copy of cannibal corpse.
Oh my God.
Thank you for telling us how it ought to be.
What would we do without you?
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No one's asking anyone to feel sympathy, empathy or any-thy.
That's a poor straw-man argument and you know it.
All we're asking is for folks not to act like a bunch of middle-schoolers that just stole an older kid's copy of cannibal corpse.
coming from a guy with costanza as a avatar, that is laughable.
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Your definition does not apply to the decapitation jokesters. I'll let you figure out why. I'm sure you will, aftger giving it some though.
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coming from a guy with costanza as a avatar, that is laughable.
Oh my God.
Thank you for telling us how it ought to be.
What would we do without you?
Even a strawman argument is better than an ad hominem. By your logic, if I have a picture of patton or another great figure, I am to be listened to? Fantastic.
By the way, so you don't come up with more brilliant strawman arguments, I'm not saying you're sociopaths. What I am saying is that you certainly aren't acting like respectable gentlemen.
Also, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8VcL9c3OVog/TGdq7y1W4MI/AAAAAAAAASo/PXM2Gma2p_4/s1600/u+mad.jpg
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Even a strawman argument is better than an ad hominem.
By the way, so you don't come up with more brilliant strawman arguments, I'm not saying you're sociopaths. What I am saying is that you certainly aren't acting like respectable gentlemen.
Also, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8VcL9c3OVog/TGdq7y1W4MI/AAAAAAAAASo/PXM2Gma2p_4/s1600/u+mad.jpg
Sarcasm is not an ad hominem.
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Sarcasm is not an ad hominem.
Sarcasm in and of itself is not.
In this case it is; it implies that I am unqualified, in some form or another, to make the statements I'm making.
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Well, if this is okay as long as it is someone we don't like then can I interest any of you in some jokes about Abu Ghraib?
Sure. Then again, I'm a bit callous toward inept drug runners and therefore lack a social conscience.
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Sorry, I guess the folks punning just lost their heads. I'm sure they will see the error of their ways.
:P
Oops, nevermind, someone already did that one.
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Geez, some folks seem intent on making black humor a capital crime. :P
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Geez, some folks seem intent on making black humor a capital crime. :P
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Chris
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Chris, your gif isn't showing up. Other than that, well played.
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He shouldn't have stuck his neck out and messed with the cartel's drugs.
Anyone else get an image of Javier Bardem on the loose?
:lol:
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Sarcasm in and of itself is not.
In this case it is; it implies that I am unqualified, in some form or another, to make the statements I'm making.
I'm not implying.
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Chris
:lol:
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I'm not implying.
Good for you.
My apologies for interfering in your fun. Please, continue to make light of a gruesome, horrifying act that is part of a larger war that has cost countless innocents their lives. You're right; you obviously hold the intellectual and moral high ground on this issue.
Gee, sarcasm is fun
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did you not watch seinfeld? the things you support say things about you, don't like that? it's time to rethink supporting them. :facepalm:
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Good for you; I must be accustomed to professionals who hold their speech, conduct and humor to a higher standard.
My apologies for interfering in your fun. Please, continue to make light of a gruesome, horrifying act that is part of a larger war that has cost countless innocents their lives. You're right; you obviously hold the intellectual and moral high ground on this issue.
Gee, sarcasm is fun
Where did it say we were having a business meeting?
And sarcasm aside, as others have mentioned, black humor is normal and common.
And I've yet to find the discussion board, where low post-count short timers chiding the rest of the board on morals or manners goes over well. Granted, you weren't the first, so perhaps you felt you had company, but part of being new is not knowing if those individuals have their own axes to grind on other matters, and were largely being dismissed out of hand.
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Where did it say we were having a business meeting?
And sarcasm aside, as others have mentioned, black humor is normal and common.
And I've yet to find the discussion board, where low post-count short timers chiding the rest of the board on morals or manners goes over well. Granted, you weren't the first, so perhaps you felt you had company, but part of being new is not knowing if those individuals have their own axes to grind on other matters, and were largely being dismissed out of hand.
Your first line reminds me of someone being corrected for their spelling/grammar; "Ugh, u no wat i mean, and dis aint a english class"
Hahah, are you really using your post count as a yardstick here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
Let's just agree to disagree :D
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Please, continue to make light of a gruesome, horrifying act that is part of a larger war that has cost countless innocents their lives.
We will, we do, we always have. We're just talkin' like folks talk, and no, it doesn't reflect poorly on the pro-gun community, any more than most other things we say around here. Frankly, I hear darker humor than this at board meetings with the "professionals" I work with.
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We will, we do, we always have. We're just talkin' like folks talk, and no, it doesn't reflect poorly on the pro-gun community, any more than most other things we say around here. Frankly, I hear darker humor than this at board meetings with the "professionals" I work with.
Please see:
Let's just agree to disagree
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A little George Carlin might help here. Wish I could find the video.
It goes something like:
"You can joke about anything. It's the intent that's behind it that is meaningful.
No intent from folks here other than to one-up each other with tasteless (and they are, but still amusing) puns. We have all been together here for a bit. Don't take everything said too seriously.
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Please see:
Let's just agree to disagree :D
Yeah, I saw it. You can agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I have to.
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Yeah, I saw it. You can agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I have to.
OK, so I received your "This is our treehouse, and if you don't like it you can leave!" message loud and clear.
Like I said, good for you. http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8747/pearls3b2.jpg
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A little George Carlin might help here. Wish I could find the video.
It goes something like:
"You can joke about anything. It's the intent that's behind it that is meaningful.
No intent from folks here other than to one-up each other with tasteless (and they are, but still amusing) puns. We have all been together here for a bit. Don't take everything said too seriously.
At long last, a voice of reason. You are correct, and I yield.
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OK, so I received your "This is our treehouse, and if you don't like it you can leave!" message loud and clear.
I didn't say anything like that. Now if you're going to agree to disagree then stop trying to have the last word.
After all, I want it. :P
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OK, so I received your "This is our treehouse, and if you don't like it you can leave!" message loud and clear.
Like I said, good for you. http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8747/pearls3b2.jpg
At long last, a voice of reason. You are correct, and I yield.
I manage to make sense every now and then. It's rare, but been known to happen. Unless you ask my ex. =D
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You borrow my brain for five seconds and just be like 'Dude, can't handle it! Unplug this bastard!' ... It fires in a way that is perhaps not from this terrestrial realm.