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Title: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: roo_ster on March 03, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261191/headless-body-and-fenceless-border-mark-krikorian

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41883795/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

"CHANDLER, Ariz. — Authorities have determined a man who was stabbed and beheaded in a suburban Phoenix apartment was killed for stealing drugs from a Mexican cartel, in a gruesome example of drug cartel violence spilling over the border."

Unpossible! 

Doesn't the BATFE push enough guns over the border so they can kill each other in Mexico without having to come over here?


And in another note...
Jan Brewer: Prematurely Anti-Decapitationist
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Declaration Day on March 03, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
Man, that's no way to get a head in life.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: slugcatcher on March 03, 2011, 04:49:54 PM
He should have quit while he was ahead.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Fly320s on March 03, 2011, 05:11:58 PM
This is headed in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on March 03, 2011, 05:26:40 PM
This is headed in the wrong direction.

True but it's nothing to lose your head over.

I wonder how high in the cartel you have to be to give that kind of go ahead to remove a head.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: AJ Dual on March 03, 2011, 05:47:15 PM
Who's going to head up the investigation?
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: French G. on March 03, 2011, 06:11:54 PM
He shouldn't have stuck his neck out and messed with the cartel's drugs.

Anyone else get an image of Javier Bardem on the loose?
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: TechMan on March 03, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
Take away from this incident:  Mess with the cartels and heads will roll.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Declaration Day on March 03, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
Who's going to head up the investigation?

Probably the Head Detective.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: SADShooter on March 03, 2011, 06:31:15 PM
A capital idea.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: TommyGunn on March 03, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 03, 2011, 07:46:43 PM
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 03, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
I guess they lost their heads. But come on. The guy was a suicidally stupid criminal.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Declaration Day on March 03, 2011, 07:59:25 PM
A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns. What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you?

I started it.  I'm not apologizing.  And to answer your question, you don't want to know.

Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 03, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.

Had it been a reasonably innocent citizen brutally murdered I'm sure the response would have been different.
The "victim" if we can believe the report, suffered from a case of terminal stupidity.
The only thing I'm pissed about is that it happened on US soil.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Declaration Day on March 03, 2011, 08:22:47 PM
Had it been a reasonably innocent citizen brutally murdered I'm sure the response would have been different.
The "victim" if we can believe the report, suffered from a case of terminal stupidity.
The only thing I'm pissed about is that it happened on US soil.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Lee on March 03, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
I doubt this is the 1st, or even the 1001st time a foreign drug cartel has ordered a killing on US soil.  The Mexicans do seem to like beheading people though.  You'd think they were French.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: sanglant on March 03, 2011, 09:13:41 PM
or al-qaeda.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2011, 10:56:31 PM
or al-qaeda.  [tinfoil]

What's the difference? Both are great fans of surrender.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 03, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.

Don't be so uptight; It's OK because he's not 'MMMMMURIKAN
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 03, 2011, 11:56:48 PM
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh."
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2011, 12:41:52 AM
Don't be so uptight; It's OK because he's not 'MMMMMURIKAN

You mean you hope he's not an American? I hope so, too. The article didn't say. I'd prefer that cartels be afraid to attack Americans, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/28/nation/la-na-missionary-shooting-20110128

Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: slugcatcher on March 04, 2011, 08:08:38 AM
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.

He stole drugs from a drug cartel.  I'm pretty sure he wasn't stealing the drugs to keep them off the streets. He deserved what he got imo. With displays of intelligence like that I'm sure he's wasn't at the head of his class.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 04, 2011, 09:07:09 AM
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.

If the man in question was not himself an associate of a brutal, foreign drug cartel I might feel more sympathy. The only reason he was executed on our soil is that he knew he was on the hot list in Mexico so he bugged out across the border. It's not like the cartel just picked a name at random out of the Phoenix phone book and sent the goons to wipe out the person to whom the name belonged.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: HankB on March 04, 2011, 09:28:50 AM
 
What the *expletive deleted* is wrong with all of you? A man gets brutally murdered by a foreign drug cartel on our soil, his body mutilated and the only response is half a page of tasteless puns.
Murders of criminals by criminals fit into the "good riddance" category, so the response is going to be quite different than if an innocent were the victim. And beheadings of criminals by criminals is not unique to Mexican cartels and jihadis. (I keep thinking of the Joe Pesci movie "8 Heads in a Duffle Bag.")

Note that one of the linked stories stated that the victim, Martin Alejandro Cota-Monroy, 38, stole 400 pounds of marijuana and meth from a drug cartel while telling the cartel that the drugs had been seized by the Border Patrol, and that Cota-Monroy had been known to traffic drugs for his sister's lover, known as "El Jefe."

I'd say there's a better-than-even chance that Cota-Monroy was Mexican, not American.

Criminal cartels are also businessmen, so they kill those who steal from them in order to keep down their . . . overhead . . . costs.

Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: PTK on March 04, 2011, 11:55:10 AM
"Hahaha, this guy died and it's funny!"

You're all displaying prime examples of sociopathic behavior in gun owners. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2011, 12:15:00 PM
And you're way over the top. Sociopathic behavior? Seriously? I guess gun owners can't laugh at the Darwin Awards anymore?
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: roo_ster on March 04, 2011, 12:53:22 PM
The tragic bit in the OP is not that some drug cartel middle-management got head-chopped, but that it is occurring on our soil.

Criminals will always kill other criminals in large numbers, but when they spill out of the cesspool in which they swim to mess up and stink up respectable folks & their domains, it merits notice.

Also, if it is natural and right to have sympathy & sorrow for someone good an innocent who is murdered, is it not also natural to express some satisfaction when someone evil and corrupt gets theirs?

Besides, I thought all this head-chopping was unpossible on American soil, that we could have an open border and the crime and human effluvia would stay on the southern side fo the border.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: AJ Dual on March 04, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
"Hahaha, this guy died and it's funny!"

You're all displaying prime examples of sociopathic behavior in gun owners. Congratulations.

Sociopathic?

Now who's losing his head?
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: HankB on March 04, 2011, 04:12:36 PM
This thread ought to have it's own theme song . . . it's not a precise match with the topic of Mexican drug cartel gang wars, but hey, it's not a bad song. (Graphics are a bit corny on this version.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epYGM9KC6S4
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: PTK on March 04, 2011, 05:32:37 PM
Quote
sociopath, noun; a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience

 =|
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 04, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Well, if this is okay as long as it is someone we don't like then can I interest any of you in some jokes about Abu Ghraib? The one where the guy gets electrocuted through his testicles is a hoot!

Malum In Se. In deference to Mister Shaw in whom I usually give much credence, I sincerely doubt he was speaking about torture, murder and graphic intentional destruction of human remains with the intent to instill fear in others. It does not matter who did this act or to whom it was done, certain things remain vile and abhorrent from any and all quarters. That any of you would find the act amusing or tolerable as long as it is directed at persons you dislike is absolutely sociopathic.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Lee on March 04, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
"Well, if this is okay as long as it is someone we don't like then can I interest any of you in some jokes about Abu Ghraib? The one where the guy gets electrocuted through his testicles is a hoot!"

It all depends on the circumstances.  If the electrical current had run back into that little pecker-wood girl from W. Virginia ...now that would have been funny.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on March 04, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Off color jokes at the expense of a dead man does not a sociopath make.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 04, 2011, 08:29:13 PM
Quote
. It does not matter who did this act or to whom it was done, certain things remain vile and abhorrent from any and all quarters. That any of you would find the act amusing or tolerable as long as it is directed at persons you dislike is absolutely sociopathic.

When the U.S. liberated Dachau, at first the camp guards were allowed to surrender.

After the extent of what has occurred there has become clear, witnesses state an American machinegunner fed a belt into his gun, looked at the Nazis standing next to the camp fence, and said, very calmly "I think they are trying to run away."

I can only define that phrase and what occurred next as freaking hilarious.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 04, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
Off color jokes at the expense of a dead man does not a sociopath make.

Such jokes are heard in the armed forces all the time.

"Durka, durka, mohammed jihad ..."
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 04, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
If the man in question was not himself an associate of a brutal, foreign drug cartel I might feel more sympathy. The only reason he was executed on our soil is that he knew he was on the hot list in Mexico so he bugged out across the border. It's not like the cartel just picked a name at random out of the Phoenix phone book and sent the goons to wipe out the person to whom the name belonged.

No one's asking anyone to feel sympathy, empathy or any-thy.
That's a poor straw-man argument and you know it.


All we're asking is for folks not to act like a bunch of middle-schoolers that just stole an older kid's copy of cannibal corpse.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: AJ Dual on March 04, 2011, 10:44:04 PM
All we're asking is for folks not to act like a bunch of middle-schoolers that just stole an older kid's copy of cannibal corpse.

Oh my God.

Thank you for telling us how it ought to be.

What would we do without you?
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: sanglant on March 04, 2011, 11:26:31 PM
No one's asking anyone to feel sympathy, empathy or any-thy.
That's a poor straw-man argument and you know it.


All we're asking is for folks not to act like a bunch of middle-schoolers that just stole an older kid's copy of cannibal corpse.
coming from a guy with costanza as a avatar, that is laughable.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: roo_ster on March 05, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
=|

Your definition does not apply to the decapitation jokesters.  I'll let you figure out why.  I'm sure you will, aftger giving it some though.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 05, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
coming from a guy with costanza as a avatar, that is laughable.
Oh my God.
Thank you for telling us how it ought to be.
What would we do without you?
Even a strawman argument is better than an ad hominem.  By your logic, if I have a picture of patton or another great figure, I am to be listened to? Fantastic.

By the way, so you don't come up with more brilliant strawman arguments, I'm not saying you're sociopaths. What I am saying is that you certainly aren't acting like respectable gentlemen.

Also, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8VcL9c3OVog/TGdq7y1W4MI/AAAAAAAAASo/PXM2Gma2p_4/s1600/u+mad.jpg
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on March 05, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Even a strawman argument is better than an ad hominem.

By the way, so you don't come up with more brilliant strawman arguments, I'm not saying you're sociopaths. What I am saying is that you certainly aren't acting like respectable gentlemen.

Also, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8VcL9c3OVog/TGdq7y1W4MI/AAAAAAAAASo/PXM2Gma2p_4/s1600/u+mad.jpg

Sarcasm is not an ad hominem.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 06, 2011, 01:58:20 AM
Sarcasm is not an ad hominem.
Sarcasm in and of itself is not.
In this case it is; it implies that I am unqualified, in some form or another, to make the statements I'm making.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2011, 09:56:39 AM
Well, if this is okay as long as it is someone we don't like then can I interest any of you in some jokes about Abu Ghraib?

Sure. Then again, I'm a bit callous toward inept drug runners and therefore lack a social conscience.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: grislyatoms on March 06, 2011, 11:08:32 AM
Sorry, I guess the folks punning just lost their heads. I'm sure they will see the error of their ways.

 :P

Oops, nevermind, someone already did that one.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: roo_ster on March 06, 2011, 03:32:49 PM
Geez, some folks seem intent on making black humor a capital crime.   :P
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: mtnbkr on March 06, 2011, 03:40:06 PM
Geez, some folks seem intent on making black humor a capital crime.   :P

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi114.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn270%2FBubblehead_2006%2FBlog%2520Photos%2Fthats-racist.gif&hash=c259fca751f152017395f069ebeaf9bfdb94d966)

Chris
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2011, 03:43:38 PM
Chris, your gif isn't showing up. Other than that, well played. 
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Boberama on March 06, 2011, 07:41:43 PM
He shouldn't have stuck his neck out and messed with the cartel's drugs.

Anyone else get an image of Javier Bardem on the loose?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: AJ Dual on March 06, 2011, 08:08:08 PM
Sarcasm in and of itself is not.
In this case it is; it implies that I am unqualified, in some form or another, to make the statements I'm making.

I'm not implying.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: roo_ster on March 06, 2011, 09:05:36 PM
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi114.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn270%2FBubblehead_2006%2FBlog%2520Photos%2Fthats-racist.gif&hash=c259fca751f152017395f069ebeaf9bfdb94d966)

Chris

 :lol:
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 06, 2011, 10:04:47 PM
I'm not implying.

Good for you.
My apologies for interfering in your fun.  Please, continue to make light of a gruesome, horrifying act that is part of a larger war that has cost countless innocents their lives.  You're right; you obviously hold the intellectual and moral high ground on this issue.


Gee, sarcasm is fun
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: sanglant on March 06, 2011, 10:15:45 PM
did you not watch seinfeld? the things you support say things about you, don't like that? it's time to rethink supporting them. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: AJ Dual on March 06, 2011, 10:29:11 PM
Good for you; I must be accustomed to professionals who hold their speech, conduct and humor to a higher standard.

My apologies for interfering in your fun.  Please, continue to make light of a gruesome, horrifying act that is part of a larger war that has cost countless innocents their lives.  You're right; you obviously hold the intellectual and moral high ground on this issue.


Gee, sarcasm is fun

Where did it say we were having a business meeting?

And sarcasm aside, as others have mentioned, black humor is normal and common.

And I've yet to find the discussion board, where low post-count short timers chiding the rest of the board on morals or manners goes over well. Granted, you weren't the first, so perhaps you felt you had company, but part of being new is not knowing if those individuals have their own axes to grind on other matters, and were largely being dismissed out of hand.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 06, 2011, 10:30:06 PM
Where did it say we were having a business meeting?

And sarcasm aside, as others have mentioned, black humor is normal and common.

And I've yet to find the discussion board, where low post-count short timers chiding the rest of the board on morals or manners goes over well. Granted, you weren't the first, so perhaps you felt you had company, but part of being new is not knowing if those individuals have their own axes to grind on other matters, and were largely being dismissed out of hand.
Your first line reminds me of someone being corrected for their spelling/grammar; "Ugh, u no wat i mean, and dis aint a english class"
Hahah, are you really using your post count as a yardstick here?
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M


Let's just agree to disagree :D
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2011, 11:13:03 PM
Please, continue to make light of a gruesome, horrifying act that is part of a larger war that has cost countless innocents their lives.  

We will, we do, we always have. We're just talkin' like folks talk, and no, it doesn't reflect poorly on the pro-gun community, any more than most other things we say around here. Frankly, I hear darker humor than this at board meetings with the "professionals" I work with.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 06, 2011, 11:26:59 PM
We will, we do, we always have. We're just talkin' like folks talk, and no, it doesn't reflect poorly on the pro-gun community, any more than most other things we say around here. Frankly, I hear darker humor than this at board meetings with the "professionals" I work with.

Please see:


Quote from: me
Let's just agree to disagree
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: grislyatoms on March 06, 2011, 11:53:52 PM
A little George Carlin might help here. Wish I could find the video.

It goes something like:

"You can joke about anything. It's the intent that's behind it that is meaningful.

No intent from folks here other than to one-up each other with tasteless (and they are, but still amusing) puns. We have all been together here for a bit. Don't take everything said too seriously.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2011, 12:00:48 AM
Please see:
Let's just agree to disagree :D

Yeah, I saw it. You can agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I have to.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Pharmacology on March 07, 2011, 12:43:33 AM
Yeah, I saw it. You can agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I have to.

OK, so I received your "This is our treehouse, and if you don't like it you can leave!" message loud and clear.
Like I said, good for you. http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8747/pearls3b2.jpg


Quote
Insert Quote
A little George Carlin might help here. Wish I could find the video.

It goes something like:

"You can joke about anything. It's the intent that's behind it that is meaningful.

No intent from folks here other than to one-up each other with tasteless (and they are, but still amusing) puns. We have all been together here for a bit. Don't take everything said too seriously.

At long last, a voice of reason.  You are correct, and  I yield.
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2011, 01:21:52 AM
OK, so I received your "This is our treehouse, and if you don't like it you can leave!" message loud and clear.

I didn't say anything like that. Now if you're going to agree to disagree then stop trying to have the last word.

After all, I want it.  :P
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: grislyatoms on March 07, 2011, 09:13:49 AM
OK, so I received your "This is our treehouse, and if you don't like it you can leave!" message loud and clear.
Like I said, good for you. http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8747/pearls3b2.jpg


At long last, a voice of reason.  You are correct, and  I yield.
I manage to make sense every now and then. It's rare, but been known to happen. Unless you ask my ex. =D
Title: Re: Headless Body and a Fenceless Border
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 07, 2011, 11:17:41 AM
You borrow my brain for five seconds and just be like 'Dude, can't handle it! Unplug this bastard!' ... It fires in a way that is perhaps not from this terrestrial realm.