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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on March 20, 2011, 11:18:07 AM
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I'm somewhat torn on my thoughts regarding this story. On the one hand, anyone with a gun should know their target and what is beyond it. On the other hand, the story mentions her being "waist deep in water" which sounds a bit like the Rachel Corrie method of protesting.
This happened in Australia, but it would be interesting to read the investigation report. Some of the comments to the story were interesting. I'm sure the people who wrote them don't eat meat or wear leather. ;/
Side note as full disclosure: Hunting protesters who protest by disrupting hunts are in my opinion, morons.
http://www.news.com.au/national/duck-protester-shot/story-e6frfkvr-1226024526110
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Some of the comments to the story were interesting. I'm sure the people who wrote them don't eat meat or wear leather. ;/
Well, they sure haven't spent much time around animals.
No other animals kills for fun.
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Not a good shoot, but I can't say I feel any remorse for the 'victim' - absolutely none at all.
I've run into these types once while goose hunting- there was a group of 4 that came in on public land and would stand up, scream, and wave their arms around whenever a fight of geese came over. They did bring shotguns and shot them straight up in the air whenever geese came within a mile of the hunting land. They pissed off a lot of people that morning, me and my buddy were the last ones left, after we went out for soe breakfast at 9AM, we noticed that these hoodlums start to walk back toward their vehcle as well.
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FRom the article she was waist deep in water and got shot by a hunter aiming at a low-flying duck. From the picture and description (pellets in face & hands, 1 tooth knocked out) it appears she was rather low, as was the duck.
Makes me wonder if she was practicing the same technique as some other protesters - hunker at water level and then pop up as shooters swing to fire. Or was the shooter taking aim at a duck just about on the water?
In either case I'm betting she was where she did not have permission to be. That does not excuse the hunter for a bad shot, but if she was not visible till the last instant I might beconvinced to put the blame entirely on her.
stay safe.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Ditto'ing the others. Did not deserve to get shot but that is the risk of what they are doing. No sympathy from me at all.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Viking, you're on a roll. :lol:
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Viking, you're on a roll. :lol:
It sure fits though.
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Ditto'ing the others. Did not deserve to get shot but that is the risk of what they are doing. No sympathy from me at all.
Not much info in the article, but IMHO it is entirely possible that she DID deserve to be shot. If she chose to position herself downrange where it was known that people would be shooting, what did she think was going to happen? Force fields are great in science fiction, but so far I haven't read that an effective, portable personal force field has been perfected and marketed to civilians.
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That does not excuse the hunter for a bad shot,
Who said anything about a bad shot?
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Kinda like trying to blame the train when it runs you over because you were screwing around on the tracks.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Ayup.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There is much truth in that statement.
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Who said anything about a bad shot?
Well, it wasn't a clean kill...
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Stupid should hurt.
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for the rest of her far left life, she should be referred to as "Ms. Cheney". >:D
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I can't help but wonder if she intentionally got herself in a position to be shot.....
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Kinda like trying to blame the train when it runs you over because you were screwing around on the tracks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Brian_Willson#Concord_protest_and_injuries
Concord protest and injuries
In 1987, while engaged in a protest of U.S. weapons to Central America, Willson and other members of a Veterans Peace Action Team blocked railroad tracks at the Concord, California Naval Weapons Station. An approaching train did not stop, and struck the veterans. Willson was hit, ultimately losing both legs below the knee while suffering a severe skull fracture with loss of his right frontal lobe. Subsequently, he discovered that he had been identified for more than a year as an FBI domestic "terrorist" suspect under President Reagan's anti-terrorist task force provisions and that the train crew that day had been ordered not to stop the train to prevent any Hijacking attempts. Willson filed a law suit contending that the Navy and individual supervisors were given ample warning of their plan to block the tracks, and that the train crew had time to stop—which the subsequent official Navy report confirmed. The train crew filed a law suit against Willson, requesting punitive damages for the "humiliation, mental anguish, and physical stress" they suffered as a result of the incident, which was dismissed. Willson later agreed to settle his lawsuit against the Government and train crew for $920,000. Willson now walks with prostheses.
Well, that left a mark.
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While I can't take joy in that idiot getting shot in the face, I do say that she shouldn't be receiving a red cent from the hunter for medical bills, considering what she did.
Plus, I wonder how the hunter feels? Most sane people would feel horrible about accidentally shooting someone.
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I still want to know how that duck came to be hunting that protester. I didn't know they did things like that.
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How far away do you need to be from the shooter to only get 2 pellets in an area the size of her stupid head? 100 yards? 200?
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Going all in on certain positions have consequences at times. ;/
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I am calling BS on this one.
These are the type of idiots who would stab themselves with a sharp stick for attention to their cause, then blame the hunters.
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Yep, Not a good shoot, she still has her hat on.... >:D
At least in Illinois doing something that dumb is criminally stupid. Hunters can and have call the police and had people arrested for interfering with a legal hunt/hunters. IIRC, there is a mandatory minimum fine and jail time for being dumb in a no stupid zone.
She's damn lucky all she'll end up with is a false tooth and some interesting scars. I wonder what will happen if the next one ends up dead.
And yes, she should pay for the hunter therapy bills.
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Pretty sure MI has statutes specifically addressing disrupting a hunt for the purpose of protest/harassment.
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Yes, so does OH.
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I'm with jamis.
I think its highly likely she was hoping to take a few pellets for her cause.
I hope it hurts, too.
I feel bad for the hunter. He gets no duck for dinner and has to deal with being the scapegoat for a pack of idiots.
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Pretty sure MI has statutes specifically addressing disrupting a hunt for the purpose of protest/harassment.
So does Texas.
It's TPW code 62.0125. HARASSMENT OF HUNTERS, TRAPPERS, AND FISHERMEN but it's only a misdemeanor.
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I still want to know how that duck came to be hunting that protester. I didn't know they did things like that. :O I'm with Fistful on this one.......
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(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpremium1.uploadit.org%2FdocZox%2F%2Faflacshoot.jpg&hash=9d01084b18842727f2526c65ce105604cbf6cbcd)
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EXCLUSIVE: THE teenage boy blamed for shooting a duck hunting protester at Donald on Saturday denies making the shot.
The 14-year-old from Melbourne has told police he and his uncle, who was standing near him, had not fired any shots for about an hour before protester Julia Symons was hit in the face with 10 pellets.
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2011/03/21/308975_latest-news.html
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Tuttle, first I must bow and say you are the master of images.
A FOURTEEN YEAR OLD KID WAS HER TARGET FOR A LIE!!!!!! :mad:
I am having serious issues with not calling this --person-- all sorts of names that would earn me a time out.
This --persons-- actions are so far beyond the pale and I hope her wounds get infected and her dentist screws up while fixing her teeth.
:mad: :mad:
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Thanks for the link Harold. I see there's a change in the direction of the comments compared to the first story. :)
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Comment:
if you were real men you would not need to prove your manhood by shooting ducks
Spot on, Cathy. We REAL men shoot protesters instead of ducks.
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Winzors!1
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Why do I smell fraud with this story?
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I'm normally a pretty empathetic guy....but that is just funny. I wonder if she walks like a duck.
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Why do I smell fraud with this story?
that's your mind protecting you from the stench, this woman "thing" is putting out. [barf]
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Judging from the photo, unless she's been rode hard and put away wet a few times, I'd call BS just 'cause of this:
Witnesses say Ms Symons, aged in her 20s, was waist-deep in water when she was shot by the hunter, believed to be aiming at a low-flying bird.
How close would one have to be to get a tooth knocked out by bird shot? And if one were that close, I'd expect a bit more damage than she's showing.
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How far away do you need to be from the shooter to only get 2 pellets in an area the size of her stupid head? 100 yards? 200?
I was trying to think about this issue also. I don't think you need to be all that far to get that kind of spread, but I rarely mess with shotguns. It might depend on the load and the barrel. I was thinking more about how far that would be versus the pellets still having enough speed and force to mess up teeth and/or cause significant damage.
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FWIW, I remember 20 or so years ago when a member of our hunting party got shot while pheasant hunting. The three of us were walking back to the truck along the edge of a picked corn field. The woods along side us extended back to a finger into the corn field about 70 yards behind us. Two guys came around the corner shooting at a rooster behind us, we all hit the dirt, but my Dad's buddy took two pellets to the back of his shoulder (they hit about 3" apart). The pellets had penetrated a canvas jacket, a few layers of light clothing and had enough to go about 1/8" into the skin. he was able to dig them out and continue hunting.
This is all acecdotal I know, as much bigger shot is used for ducks plus distances and circumstances are very differrent.