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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on April 02, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
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Well, he actually did it about two weeks ago, and it hasn't been a big news story. Except in Afghanistan, where 12 people were murdered.
http://www.cbs12.com/news/afghanistan-4731736-protesters-quran.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/27401839/detail.html
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I find “Reverend” Terry Jones and his Quran burning, so-called Christian co-conspirators and the murderous Muslims to all be loathsome.
My contempt is not for good Christians or good Muslims. (I was for 26 years married into a Thai-Chinese Muslim family, all of whom were fine people.)
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I find “Reverend” Terry Jones and his Quran burning, so-called Christian co-conspirators and the murderous Muslims to all be loathsome.
My contempt is not for good Christians or good Muslims.
I quite agree. And though it doesn't bring back the twelve dead, I'll add that the folks down in Florida are less loathsome than those who did the killing.
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Let them kill each other over someone else burning a stupid book in a different country.
It just shows the true level of there intelligence.
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Let them kill each other over someone else burning a stupid book in a different country.
It just shows the true level of their intelligence.
Or their lack of value for human life.
Killing people over a burned book? Savages. =|
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Let them kill each other over someone else burning a stupid book in a different country.
It just shows the true level of there intelligence.
Most of the deceased were foreigners in the employ of the U.N., so they're not exactly killing "each other."
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why doesn't this 'preacher' go to a muslim country and do his act there?
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why doesn't this 'preacher' go to a muslim country and do his act there?
I think somebody here was giving away frequent flyer miles...
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why doesn't this 'preacher' go to a muslim country and do his act there?
Because that would be, quite frankly, idiotic in the extreme and he'd likely be dead.
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Last week, Afghan President Hamid Karzai issued a statement calling the burning a "crime against a religion." He denounced it as a "disrespectful and abhorrent act" and called on the U.S. and the United Nations to bring to justice those who burned the holy book and issue a response to Muslims around the world.
:facepalm:
Anyone else find this statement bothersome? It wasn't too long ago that a french fashion designer was charged with the actual crime of racisim, for making racial remarks in public.
Hate crime will become thought crime. It will become illegal to say certain things against certain religions or peoples. Mark my words.
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I thinks folk actions pretty much speak for themselves.
In the Muslim world:
Terry Jones burned a Koran, thereby showing he is insensitive to Muslim sensibilities.
Afghanis hear about it then riot and murder, showing they are savages who ought to be killed like mad dogs.
In the West:
Some dude burns/pisses on/otherwise desecrates a Bible, showing he is insensitive to Christian sensibilities.
Given it is so common, likely nobody hears about it unless the media wants to rub Christian noses in it.
Christians get upset, say so, and also say the pisser is a jerk.
Some atheists make FSM jokes and ridicule the Christians for being uncoool.
Nobody gets killed.
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I thinks folk actions pretty much speak for themselves.
In the Muslim world:
Terry Jones burned a Koran, thereby showing he is insensitive to Muslim sensibilities.
Afghanis hear about it then riot and murder, showing they are savages who ought to be killed like mad dogs.
Their President calls for freedom of expressive speech of westerners in a country 12,000 miles away be curbed by the UN, so as not to offend their savage ways.
In the West:
Some dude burns/pisses on/otherwise desecrates a Bible, showing he is insensitive to Christian sensibilities.
Given it is so common, likely nobody hears about it unless the media wants to rub Christian noses in it.
Christians get upset, say so, and also say the pisser is a jerk.
Some atheists make FSM jokes and ridicule the Christians for being uncoool.
Nobody gets killed.
FTFY.
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In the West:
Some dude burns/pisses on/otherwise desecrates a Bible, showing he is insensitive to Christian sensibilities.
Given it is so common, likely nobody hears about it unless the media wants to rub Christian noses in it.
Christians get upset, say so, and also say the pisser is a jerk.
Some atheists make FSM jokes and ridicule the Christians for being uncoool.
Some Christians laugh along with it, to show they're cool.
Nobody gets killed.
Remedied that for you.
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Bravo, JJ & fistful.
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A group of idiots + another group of idiots = two groups of idiots. What can you say about what idiots do...other than, "the idiots are doing it again"?
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Because that would be, quite frankly, idiotic in the extreme and he'd likely be dead.
Given how idiotic this stunt is to begin with, going the extra moron mile (or 12000 of them) would be quite fitting.
I am getting seriously fed up with people who want to fight for a cause, but only on the condition that they don't have to do any actual fighting. You want to teach the heathens something? Go to them. That's what those old-timey missionaries did. More than a few of them became martyrs, but that's the price of admission.
Burning a book in the safety of your own back yard is stupid, cowardly, and, given how predictable the response is, downright evil. If some enterprising jihadist happens to meet up with Mr. Jones I will not be particularly saddened.
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You want to teach the heathens something? Go to them. That's what those old-timey missionaries did. More than a few of them became martyrs, but that's the price of admission.
They're still doing it, and some of them still end up martyrs. Real martyrs, of course; not martyr complex dolts like Mr. Jones.
"Going the extra moron mile..." I resemble that remark, but it is definitely sig-worthy.
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Given how idiotic this stunt is to begin with, going the extra moron mile (or 12000 of them) would be quite fitting.
I am getting seriously fed up with people who want to fight for a cause, but only on the condition that they don't have to do any actual fighting. You want to teach the heathens something? Go to them. That's what those old-timey missionaries did. More than a few of them became martyrs, but that's the price of admission.
Burning a book in the safety of your own back yard is stupid, cowardly, and, given how predictable the response is, downright evil. If some enterprising jihadist happens to meet up with Mr. Jones I will not be particularly saddened.
I think this is sort of tangential to your argument but it is pretty tasteless to equate people that willingly put their lives on the line to spread the Gospel with someone making a tasteless, low risk political (?) point.
Also, you have to put your life at risk before you can exercise free speech now?
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I think this is sort of tangential to your argument but it is pretty tasteless to equate people that willingly put their lives on the line to spread the Gospel with someone making a tasteless, low risk political (?) point.
I did not at all equate them. Either I was unclear, or you misunderstand. They are doing it right. Jones is doing it wrong. He is hiding in safety behind the backs of soldiers and, what's worse, is willingly putting other people at risk for his beliefs.
Also, you have to put your life at risk before you can exercise free speech now?
No. However, putting the lives of others at risk to exercise your right to free speech is a crappy thing to do. Personal responsibility and teaching by example are concepts Mr. Jones would do well to get acquainted with.
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Pyro Pastor is not in any way responsible for anyone's deaths. Look to the savages who committed the murders to fix blame.
If, someplace in the US of A, Somedude said "Look, some wogs in BFEistan are burning Old Glory! Quick, let us go out and murder us some local wogs!" and then proceeded to kill them some local wogs in a rage, the responsibility for the murders lies at Somedude's feet.
To think otherwise is to assume foreigners have no moral agency.
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http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/117927/
Post well worth your time ^^^. I couldn't make it up if I tried.
Did you know that Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham want to impose restrictions on speech that hurts religious people's feelings?
Glenn ends with this:
"We’re led by cowards and fools. But at least by opening their mouths, they removed all doubt."
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Yawn.
Another ahole along the likes of that Phelps creature.
A pox on both of them.
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Pyro Pastor is not in any way responsible for anyone's deaths. Look to the savages who committed the murders to fix blame.
If, someplace in the US of A, Somedude said "Look, some wogs in BFEistan are burning Old Glory! Quick, let us go out and murder us some local wogs!" and then proceeded to kill them some local wogs in a rage, the responsibility for the murders lies at Somedude's feet.
To think otherwise is to assume foreigners have no moral agency.
I think Pyro Pastor's actions are childish . . . and protected under the 1st Amendment.
But pointing the finger at him for overseas Moslem mayhem, and the actions contmplated by Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham, is an indication that political correctness has crossed the line into dhimmitude, and it's becoming deeply ingrained. :mad:
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All this just leaves me wondering -- what do Moslems do with Bibles when they overrun Christian schools and facilities? Do they treat the Christian Bible with the same respect they demand for the Q'uran, or do they burn, tear up, shoot, trample and otherwise sully the Christian holy book?
If they do any of the above, they have no right to complain when anyone does it to THEIR holy book.
And, lest anyone claim that the Moslem holy book is somehow more holy and more sacred than the Christian holy book, I was raised in a fairly ordinary, run-of-the-mill Christian family. No raving fundamentalists, no "Bible thumpers," no missionaries. My mother was Episcopal, my father was Congregationalist. And we were raised that nothing superseded the Bible. If a bunch of books were stacked on a table, nothing could be placed on top of the Bible.
I think that approach would probably cover trampling in mud, etc.
Just another example of why the "Religion of Peace" ... isn't.
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All this just leaves me wondering -- what do Moslems do with Bibles when they overrun Christian schools and facilities? Do they treat the Christian Bible with the same respect they demand for the Q'uran, or do they burn, tear up, shoot, trample and otherwise sully the Christian holy book?
If they do any of the above, they have no right to complain when anyone does it to THEIR holy book.
And, lest anyone claim that the Moslem holy book is somehow more holy and more sacred than the Christian holy book, I was raised in a fairly ordinary, run-of-the-mill Christian family. No raving fundamentalists, no "Bible thumpers," no missionaries. My mother was Episcopal, my father was Congregationalist. And we were raised that nothing superseded the Bible. If a bunch of books were stacked on a table, nothing could be placed on top of the Bible.
I think that approach would probably cover trampling in mud, etc.
Just another example of why the "Religion of Peace" ... isn't.
It wasn't that many years ago that the Taliban destroyed ancient Buddhist statues in... Afghanistan?
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I don't know. Maybe we ought to burn a bunch of Korans every day. Either the fanatics overseas will kill themselves in riots or just get over it and stop worrying about it.
I think the latter is pretty much what happened to Christians here. We don't like it, but bitching about it just encourages liberals.
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Did you know that Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham want to impose restrictions on speech that hurts religious people's feelings
Can we just burn them...for hurting my head?
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All this just leaves me wondering -- what do Moslems do with Bibles when they overrun Christian schools and facilities? Do they treat the Christian Bible with the same respect they demand for the Q'uran, or do they burn, tear up, shoot, trample and otherwise sully the Christian holy book?
If they do any of the above, they have no right to complain when anyone does it to THEIR holy book.
The usual practice is to desecrate the holy books & places of other religions when they get the opportunity. I recall when the Palis held folks hostage in teh church in Bethlehem dedicated to the place of Jesus's birth. The usual: destruction, defecation on the altar, defacing art, etc.
Now, I would not burn a Koran out of respect for all the Muslims who aren't savages, but I reserve the right to do so.
Can we just burn them...for hurting my head?
I hear Reid & Graham weigh less than a duck, so go right ahead.
Graham is amazing in that he hasn't head of a country he didn't want to bomb and a liberty he didn't want to curtail.
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It wasn't that many years ago that the Taliban destroyed ancient Buddhist statues in... Afghanistan?
Plus-or-minus a decade. And the statues they destroyed were ancient, and priceless, and cultural treasures completely irrespective of religion. But the violent Islamicists have no respect for any other religion or philosophy, and they have no intention of peacefully coexisting with anyone.
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All this just leaves me wondering -- what do Moslems do with Bibles when they overrun Christian schools and facilities? Do they treat the Christian Bible with the same respect they demand for the Q'uran, or do they burn, tear up, shoot, trample and otherwise sully the Christian holy book?
The usual practice is to desecrate the holy books & places of other religions when they get the opportunity. I recall when the Palis held folks hostage in teh church in Bethlehem dedicated to the place of Jesus's birth. The usual: destruction, defecation on the altar, defacing art, etc.
That was a rhetorical question. Thanks for helping make my point.
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Ugh.
Mini-McCain digs in:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263848/graham-responds-steyn-stuttaford-robert-costa
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All this just leaves me wondering -- what do Moslems do with Bibles when they overrun Christian schools and facilities? Do they treat the Christian Bible with the same respect they demand for the Q'uran, or do they burn, tear up, shoot, trample and otherwise sully the Christian holy book?
If they do any of the above, they have no right to complain when anyone does it to THEIR holy book.
And, lest anyone claim that the Moslem holy book is somehow more holy and more sacred than the Christian holy book . . .
One of the news programs last night had an interview with a Moslem imam who was making exactly that point - that the koran is more important than the Bible and needs to be shown more respect. [barf]
Just another example of why the "Religion of Peace" ... isn't.
Exactly.
What really gets me about all this cr@p is that in WWII we didn’t condemn people for mocking Hitler out of fear that it would inflame the Nazis . . . we didn’t insist people only say nice things about Japan - “Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips” comes to mind - because Kamikaze pilots might get mad at us . . . yet everyone seems to be walking a tightrope when it comes to the sensibilities of the screaming beards of radical Islam. (And saying it shouldn’t be done because it will annoy good Moslems is like saying WWII propaganda was bad because it offended innocent hausfraus and mama-sans . . . )
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Ugh.
Mini-McCain digs in:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263848/graham-responds-steyn-stuttaford-robert-costa
Talking head. I tried diligently to make sense out of his comments, but there was no sense to be found.
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One of the news programs last night had an interview with a Moslem imam who was making exactly that point - that the koran is more important than the Bible and needs to be shown more respect.
The concept that "It's okay for us to crap on your holy book but you must respect OUR holy book" doesn't work for me.
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Here's an editorial cartoon related to this topic that - astonishingly - was published in the local Austin American-Statesman and a number of other papers on April 6 . . . the cartoonist is generally left-leaning on most issues.
Maybe people are starting to get it.
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