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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: StopTheGrays on April 07, 2011, 10:13:55 AM
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That is some kind of pressurized gas tank. Paintball gun?
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Not to accuse the press of not fact-checking, but that really looks like a paintball gun to me. The tank, hose and barrel width all look like paintball stuff. I'll do a little googling, but that's my early prediction.
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That is some kind of pressurized gas tank. Paintball gun?
I was thinking paintball gun myself but since the image description says "sub-machine" I thought it might be some sort of "hi-speed", operator type weapon I have never seen before IRL, on TV or in a video game.
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Where'd you get the pic from?
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Yeah, that's some kind of paintball gun.
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Not to be left out, let me, too, say:
It looks like some kind of paintball gun. Maybe it's full-auto, though!
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Where'd you get the pic from?
Original source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374315/Gaddafis-letter-Barack-Obama-calls-end-unjust-war.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374315/Gaddafis-letter-Barack-Obama-calls-end-unjust-war.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
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Video of same weapon:
http://armedselfdefense.blogspot.com/2011/03/libyan-rebel-captures-weapon-and-shows.html
I can't identify the marker, but watching him wave it around, definatly a paintball gun of some type.
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Seeing the stock, it looks like a less lethal Riot type gun.
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Somebody over at SayUncle's blog IDed it as an FN 303. Looks right to me.
http://www.botachtactical.com/fn303lelesy.html
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It's a FN Herstal FN303 less-lethal gas operated rubber baton launcher. The magazine between the grips is a drum of rubber batons or OC bursters.
http://www.armedforces-int.com/article/fn-herstal-less-lethal-demonstrations-at-milipol-paris.html
You can also see the FN logo down int the bottom corner of the plastic skeleton stock.
ETA, Giga beat me to it by a minute. =D
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My brain hurts now...
The guy in the next picture down though has an actual machine gun, a DPM by the looks of it.
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Thanks.
I just found it myself by google-ing for images of "non-lethal weapon" and there it was.
Kind of useless in a shooting war, no?
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Somebody over at SayUncle's blog IDed it as an FN 303. Looks right to me.
http://www.botachtactical.com/fn303lelesy.html
I can't take that link seriously. .68 caliber, 280-300fps describes your typical paintball marker.
Then there is this: The primary effect of the projectile is trauma, which directly neutralizes the aggressor.
:facepalm:
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I knew what that was the moment I saw it. FNH pepperball gun. I saw them in use in Boston.
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WTF? What idiot is dropping riot gear into a shooting war?
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WTF? What idiot is dropping riot gear into a shooting war?
I'd bet a buck its us, or the kinder gentler Obama CIA....
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I'd bet a buck its us, or the kinder gentler Obama CIA....
We'd be dropping sterile Eastern European AKM variants. Lord knows we bought a few million new ones for Iraq and Afghanistan's new armies and police forces. (Then went and reversed ourselves, switching some of them back to M16's and M4's... then gave back the AK's when they couldn't even do jumping jacks.)
No idea what the gun laws in Lybia were like before SHTF... maybe it's the kind of thing a wealthier shop-keep actually can get if they jumped through all the hoops. Or it was liberated from a police depot.
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Original source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374315/Gaddafis-letter-Barack-Obama-calls-end-unjust-war.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374315/Gaddafis-letter-Barack-Obama-calls-end-unjust-war.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Gaddafi's letter is at the end of the article, and is very revealing. The birthers were right; Obama is Gaddafi's son. Also, Gaddafi is a racist. He used the middle name.
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We'd be dropping sterile Eastern European AKM variants. Lord knows we bought a few million new ones for Iraq and Afghanistan's new armies and police forces. (Then went and reversed ourselves, switching some of them back to M16's and M4's... then gave back the AK's when they couldn't even do jumping jacks.)
No idea what the gun laws in Lybia were like before SHTF... maybe it's the kind of thing a wealthier shop-keep actually can get if they jumped through all the hoops. Or it was liberated from a police depot.
It probably was. I was just taking a chance to take a dig at the administration...liberals don't like the idea that someone might actually die in a fight after all....
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It probably was. I was just taking a chance to take a dig at the administration...liberals don't like the idea that someone might actually die in a fight after all....
Meh.. only when they're not the administration in charge. Or so it seems to me.
The protesters in front of the WH fence, who feel betrayed by Obummer? Sure. They're consistent about it. The rest of the Left that actually gets in power, for the most part they seem to be just as willing to light the fuse if they see some advantage to it.
The namby-pambyness one does see, such as an unwillingness to put boots on the ground, tends to just be more the result of a finger in the wind, and a lack of political spine, than it is any true fundamental aversion to bloodshed. Hell, our own Community Organizer In Chief, learned at the knee of Bill Ayers, who was part of the whole "We'll have to kill 30-40 Million Americans who won't convert to communism/socialism during his Weathermen days."
What's a couple thousand Libyans in comparison?
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I can't take that link seriously. .68 caliber, 280-300fps describes your typical paintball marker.
Then there is this: :facepalm:
Getting shot with a paintball can hurt if you're not protected. I'd imagine the impact balls are harder than regular paintballs, plus you can use OC balls as well.
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Discombobulator 2000 I'm pretty sure. You can tell by the pixels. ;)
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It's a "truck gun" You stand on the car or truck and call people pig-dogs and such, show them the bottom of your shoes, and then fire it in the air. No bystanders get fatally wounded.
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I knew what that was the moment I saw it. FNH pepperball gun. I saw them in use in Boston.
Yup. Too bad back in '04 BPD proved (unfortunately) that "less than lethal" means "sometimes lethal" with that weapon (kenmore square, emerson student).
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Hence the name change to Less Lethal. They can be lethal, but they are less likely to be lethal than say a faceful of buckshot.
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Hence the name change to Less Lethal. They can be lethal, but they are less likely to be lethal than say a faceful of buckshot.
True. Brings up an interesting point, when it comes to center of mass hits, the fastest stops are actually with less than lethal (taser)...bullets take a while to stop someone (again, center of mass) compared to a taser. (note: in most cases, I.e. The average time to arrest someones forward progress or progress toward a response action). Of course, a 300gr SMK at 2800fps to the T-zone is probably the fastest overall.
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Doesn't surprise me that the reporter got it wrong. Regarding most technology, they wouldn't know sheep poop from apple butter. Most seem to wear such ignorance as a sign of moral enlightenment.
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Doesn't surprise me that the reporter got it wrong. Regarding most technology, they wouldn't know sheep poop from apple butter. Most seem to wear such ignorance as a sign of moral enlightenment.
True, but really can this one BE more wrong?
Reporter: American {made} submachine gun {firearm} {lethal} {full auto}
When it is:
Belgian (not American)
Less than lethal (not "lethal")
CO2 powered (not a firearm)
Semi-automatic (not full auto)
Just...wow
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Still; not surprising. Expected, in fact.
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True. Brings up an interesting point, when it comes to center of mass hits, the fastest stops are actually with less than lethal (taser)...bullets take a while to stop someone (again, center of mass) compared to a taser. (note: in most cases, I.e. The average time to arrest someones forward progress or progress toward a response action). Of course, a 300gr SMK at 2800fps to the T-zone is probably the fastest overall.
Not to start another caliber/stopping power discussion, but "it depends" seems to be an appropriate response.
- Tasers can be effective if the target isn't shielded from the electricity.
- The term center-of-mass has always bothered me. The center of what mass? The center of a human mass is nearer the naval than the upper chest, which would decrease the effectiveness of the wound.
- A true CNS shot will stop someone nearly instantly, but those shots are difficult to make on demand and under pressure.
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Doesn't surprise me that the reporter got it wrong. Regarding most technology, they wouldn't know sheep poop from apple butter. Most seem to wear such ignorance as a sign of moral enlightenment.
Yep, took some Journalism and mass-comm as some fill-in for my gen-ed credits in college. Not surprised.