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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Phyphor on May 18, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43068421/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/
If you see this dog coming for you, run. Thanks to his extensive training — and customized body armor that can cost upward of $30,000 — he's bulletproof, can hear through concrete and can record high-def video of missions, even in the dead of night.
Since the moment it was revealed that the "nation's most courageous dog" (Update: named "Cairo") served alongside the 80 Navy SEALs who took out Osama bin Laden, America's fascination with war dogs has hit a fevered pitch. And while the heart-tugging photos of these four-legged heroes are worth a look, so is the high-tech gear that helps them do their job.
Very cool. I'm thinking offering this dog a beggin' strip if he's after you isn't going to help much...
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43068421/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/
Very cool. I'm thinking offering this dog a beggin' strip if he's after you isn't going to help much...
No dog is invulnerable to the power of real bacon.
Of course, Bin Laden had no knowledge of that power. =D
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Is the picture in the article a good example of the "armor"? It doesn't seem to cover all that much. Certainly not enough to call the dog bullet proof. I hope that for $30,000, the armor is a little better than just that vest.
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Those dogs are trained to refuse any food not provided by someone thats is one of their caretakers.
Also, most will not take treats from your hands.
Running from any dog will insite the chase/kill instinct. With an non shutzhund trained dog, its best to hold your ground and not make eye contact. With a trained attack dog, if its been commanded to eat you, its gonna eat you and you are just *expletive deleted*it out of luck.
The only thing that will stop a well trained dog is the command FROM THE HANDLER.
if its not well trained, well... So long, nice knowing you (and this is why anatolians are not used as attack dogs. They won't call off ;) )
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Of course, Bin Laden had no knowledge of that power.
\respect on\
Nice, very nice!
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Is the picture in the article a good example of the "armor"? It doesn't seem to cover all that much. Certainly not enough to call the dog bullet proof. I hope that for $30,000, the armor is a little better than just that vest.
The face/head area for the dog is just impractical. And aside from a helmet, it's probably covered about as well as a soldier is, around the core vital torso area.
As for the rest, the trained dog is not going to be turning it's unarmored end towards the enemy intentionally ever. They're pretty... single minded.
Those dogs are trained to refuse any food not provided by someone thats is one of their caretakers.
Also, most will not take treats from your hands.
Running from any dog will insite the chase/kill instinct. With an non shutzhund trained dog, its best to hold your ground and not make eye contact. With a trained attack dog, if its been commanded to eat you, its gonna eat you and you are just *expletive deleted* out of luck.
The only thing that will stop a well trained dog is the command FROM THE HANDLER.
if its not well trained, well... So long, nice knowing you (and this is why anatolians are not used as attack dogs. They won't call off ;) )
Your only chance with a charging trained dog is to try and get in a bit of matador/judo, and sidestep/flip it as it makes it's lunge. And the odds are 99.99% you'll fail anyway, but that's your one chance.
Of course, if you don't stun the dog on the ground hard enough to incapacitate it, or you actually wind up in control of it's neck with none of you in it's mouth, now you've got it's handlers and maybe another dog coming right along any second now.
The dog is faster than you, and does not have human psychology in terms of dedication to the attack when faced with pain, weapons, or resistance either. In reality, there's only two real solutions to a trained K9 after you.
1. Be somewhere else.
2. Kill it ASAP with superior firepower.
And #2 is dicey, because in most instances, the human members of your OPFOR will often react viscerally with more aggression to a dead K9 than they would to one of their own being wounded.
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The only thing that will stop a well trained dog is the command FROM THE HANDLER.
or a really angry ninja
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In Modern Warfare, I press the 'E' key to break its neck. I am usually too slow on this and end up being eaten.
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now, police dogs are trained to hold a suspect. If you fight the dog, the dog will nail you, but if you submit, the dog won't hurt you.
At least not too much...
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Also, the commands have to be in the correct language, not to mention the right persons voice. I have friends who's trainers used Japanese as a standard for guard dog commands, but I'm sure there are others.
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Bulletproof? Sure? So If I am Mehmet Q from Iran and am toting a PKM loaded with ball AP ammo, the dog is still bulletproof? [ar15] Like equiv of 10mm of steel plate? Yeah ..sure..
There's bulletproof and there's bulletproof.
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i doubt they are halberd proof
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Original post edited due to violation of the quoting policy. Don't make me zardoz you.
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In Modern Warfare, I press the 'E' key to break its neck. I am usually too slow on this and end up being eaten.
Breaking a canine's neck is a slow, unwieldy process. Breaking the jaw, OTOH, disarms it pretty effectively.
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When I lived in Thailand, Thai friends had guard gibbons rather than dogs. The first explanation was that burglars always arrived with one or more bitches in heat for guard dogs. Gibbons in heat were, reportedly, too expensive and not effective on female guard gibbons.
Wonder whether four footed SEALs are immune to that call...
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When I lived in Thailand, Thai friends had guard gibbons rather than dogs. The first explanation was that burglars always arrived with one or more bitches in heat for guard dogs. Gibbons in heat were, reportedly, too expensive and not effective on female guard gibbons.
Wonder whether four footed SEALs are immune to that call...
They are neutured, dude. And they use bitches, too.
The no females in combat thing doesn't apply to canines.
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I had a pair of Conures that chased a burglar out of the house. Gave himself away too because we knew there was only one guy around that was absolutely scared shitless of them birds and whenever he came in the back door and saw them loose he musta crapped a brick because he didn't even grab the substantial amount of cash right there in plain sight on the table just past the birds. :lol:
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I have heard (but fervently hope to never attempt) that if otherwise unarmed, lunging into the bite leading with your weak forearm can injure the attacking dog's jaw and neck - helping to shorten the attack. This is why the dog trainers in padded armor who are on the receiving end of Angry Fido training have to be careful to naturally recoil from and roll with bites. On the other hand, it would probably just lead to one arm in ribbons and an angry, injured dog who hangs on anyway.
This kind of tactic puts me in mind of one knife fighting stance where the weak forearm is held in front with the palm in to serve as a shield. You're going to get cut, but maybe you'll preserve a few of your more important bits.
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I have heard (but fervently hope to never attempt) that if otherwise unarmed, lunging into the bite leading with your weak forearm can injure the attacking dog's jaw and neck - helping to shorten the attack.
What I've been told (and this assumes you're only dealing with the dog itself, not an armed handler who will be catching up in a second or two) is to get something around your off arm if you can, then when the dog comes in to bite, force the arm in and up hard to possibly break the neck. Failing that, you're going to need to go to the ground so you can get your other arm behind the head for more leverage. If you can manage it, a hard kick to the snout from almost any direction should break either the upper or lower jaw, and since canines don't really use their claws as weapons, that would effectively disarm it.
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Would not attempt the arm down throat with a dog that has titaniam teeth, though...
The SOCOM dogs are pretty much bionic dogs.
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Several years ago an inmate attempted to "defeat" the use of a canine in extracting him from his cell. He used the technique of thrusting something into the throat of the dog as it began its bite.
Unfortunately for the inmate, he was at the time housed in a cell that had been stripped of everything except him, his blanket and his paper gown. Thus, what he chose to thrust into the dog's throat was his left hand.*
"Kong" was quite well trained. After biting down, he released and backed away towards his handler. When at his handler's side he performed a textbook "sit" and thereupon spit out the inmate's index finger. He then attempted to re-enter the cell, but was restrained as the inmate was indicating he would now comply with being removed from his cell if we would just take him to the infirmary before taking him to the Segregation Unit.
It was only necessary to bring a canine into the cellblock and give any command that used the dog's name (e.g.: "Sit, Kong") to get immediate inmate compliance. It never mattered which canine we actually brought, as long as the handler called it "Kong". =D Many of us believed if we had brought a Chihuahua and called it "Kong" it would have worked.
stay safe.
*Idiot inmate did not think to wrap his hand/arm with his blanket before trying to ram it down the dog's throat. Did I Mention he was an idiot?
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Bulletproof? Sure? So If I am Mehmet Q from Iran and am toting a PKM loaded with ball AP ammo, the dog is still bulletproof? [ar15] Like equiv of 10mm of steel plate? Yeah ..sure..
There's bulletproof and there's bulletproof.
This is true....but, then you'd have to worry about the bite from the handler and the squad following him....bite marks or bullet holes....either way, you're gonna need stitches....
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Not if you are a smart Mehmet Q who has ordered several sets of Dragonskin armor and has made for himself a whole body thermal/armor suit. Thermal meaning, there is a whole circulatory system for coolant and a coolant pack on your back, and almost every area is covered in these dragonskin ceramic composite scales, underneath that would be thinner, more flexible bulletproof armor . I bet that a strong person could move quickly wearing such a suit, and wouldn't even get really hot, as long as the AC would last.
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I heard it was actually Rin Tin Tin # 34 and Cairo was just his code name. He',,,er she's safe. ;)
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Would not attempt the arm down throat with a dog that has titaniam teeth, though...
The SOCOM dogs are pretty much bionic dogs.
Sadly, I looked into this further and that's just a rumor. Apparently they'd only do that if a dog broke it's teeth, and it's skills were so good it was worth the dental work, rather than retiring the dog. Despite the actual strength of the Titanium tooth or teeth, the tooth to jaw interface would never be as strong as a live tooth and that dog would actually be a at a disadvantage.
One of those things one certainly wants to believe is true, though, it sounds so cool.
I bet someone at DARPA somewhere is working on training dogs to use thermal goggles. :cool:
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Would not attempt the arm down throat with a dog that has titaniam teeth, though...
The SOCOM dogs are pretty much bionic dogs.
[tinfoil] Makes me remember "Max" from the old '70s show, "The Bionic Woman." A German Shepard "lab animal" that was horribly burned in a lab fire and turned into a half-robot dog named "Maximillian." Actually, because "Max" cost a "million" dollars. [popcorn] [tinfoil] Ahhhh, the fond memories of 1970s television. [tinfoil]
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I bet someone at DARPA somewhere is working on training dogs to use thermal goggles.
Actually, the dog's nose would be far more effective. ;)
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Actually, the dog's nose would be far more effective. ;)
That needs no improvement.
And I would have said NV, but the dogs are probably already as good as a Gen III NVD, so I went with thermal.
So in classic gunboard parlance I say "get both".
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Which Cyberpunk book had the augmented thermal sniffer dogs?
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Which Cyberpunk book had the augmented thermal sniffer dogs?
Uh... "Count Zero" I think. The storyline of the Merc who escaped with the scientist's daughter from the Maas Biolabs complex built into a Southwestern U.S. desert mesa. He went to his brother for a hideout/help. His brother had dogs with "hoods" that had NGV/Thermal/Sensors over their heads as a security system.
I believe there was a comment made that there were no rabbits, raccoons, or possums left in the area. =D
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actually, I was under the impression that they do it before the dog breaks teeth, simple so it won't happen in the feild. The toes and nails are also reinforced.
The stomachs are also sewn to the abdomen wall to prevent tortion during jumps.
And its only done to a few dogs.
And I would think it to be smart. A dog who busts something ibecauses generally a pain in the ass. Not so much because the dog would be in pain, but... Well, flinging blood comes to mind. Especially on busted toes.
I'm suprise they don't also crop ears, as injuries to the ear generally result in a distracted dog, and more flinging blood. Ear injuries take forever to heal, because dogs shake their heads. But I guess, since the generally have prick eared dogs, and people at large are not a fan of earcropping, they don't do it.
The Anatolians Louise sold to the Air Force many years ago had their teeth and stomachs done.
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Maybe it's caps then.
Because even the best dental implants just don't hold as well as real tooth roots. Nor do they feel right, being dead metal. Teeth do actually provide a lot of sensation, but we only tend to notice when it's pain, or it's suddenly gone.
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Maybe it's caps then.
Because even the best dental implants just don't hold as well as real tooth roots. Nor do they feel right, being dead metal. Teeth do actually provide a lot of sensation, but we only tend to notice when it's pain, or it's suddenly gone.
You got to think of this from a diffrent perspective. Its not about making the dogs teeth some badass weapon, but preventing pain and damage to the dog.
My dads terrier, Northwest, once got in a fight with my beagle. Actually, Northwest was beating the crap out of Buster. When Dad pulled Northwest off, he wouldn't let go and held on to Buster so tight , he essentially pulled out his own fang.
Now, Northwest wasn't so bothered by this. He was more concerned with being top dog then the fang hanging out of his mouth and blood pouring all over the place. But it sure bothered dad.
Caps wouldn'tprevent this kinda thing, but fake teeth would. Northwests tooth ripped sraight out, but that was luck. One ripped out halfway or to the side wouldbe a lot worse. Fake teeth that have a bit less hold wouldactually be better.
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Fake teeth that have a bit less hold would actually be better.
An advantage to getting older ? =D
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Sadly, I looked into this further and that's just a rumor. Apparently they'd only do that if a dog broke it's teeth, and it's skills were so good it was worth the dental work, rather than retiring the dog. Despite the actual strength of the Titanium tooth or teeth, the tooth to jaw interface would never be as strong as a live tooth and that dog would actually be a at a disadvantage.
One of those things one certainly wants to believe is true, though, it sounds so cool.
Seems kind of a mean thing to do to a doggy, if his teeth were healthy. =(
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Why has nobody posted this yet?
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"It's not plane nor bird nor even frog. It's just little ol' me, Underdog!!" :lol:
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/no-navy-seal-dogs-dont-have-titanium-teeth/
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Uh... "Count Zero" I think. The storyline of the Merc who escaped with the scientist's daughter from the Maas Biolabs complex built into a Southwestern U.S. desert mesa. He went to his brother for a hideout/help. His brother had dogs with "hoods" that had NGV/Thermal/Sensors over their heads as a security system.
I believe there was a comment made that there were no rabbits, raccoons, or possums left in the area. =D
http://books.google.com/books (http://books.google.com/books?id=dFX1xN7q-AgC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=%22Count+Zero%22+dogs&source=bl&ots=UuuN6dAFoU&sig=J0u8vHOuIUTxUz1t5GL5pYBr0go&hl=en&ei=_YbVTaekH6ON0AGH4P23Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false)
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Dogs'll watch the house." He scratched the animal behind its plastic hood. "Right, boy?" The dog whined and twitched. "I had to train `em off coon hunting when I put their infrareds in," he said. "There wouldn't've been any coons left in the county .
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/gibson_countzero.shtml
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Dogs'll watch the house." He scratched the animal behind its plastic hood. "Right, boy?" The dog whined and twitched. "I had to train `em off coon hunting when I put their infrareds in," he said. "There wouldn't've been any coons left in the county .
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/gibson_countzero.shtml
I guess I remembered it pretty well. =D
Too bad my head's just full of SciFi and trivia, instead of something that would have made me rich. =|