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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on June 06, 2011, 09:05:36 AM
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As if we needed more proof.
Synopsis: Man has dispute over bill. Man pays bill ... with pennies. Staff at office call cops. Penny man is arrested.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705373882/Police-cite-Vernal-man-accused-of-paying-bill-with-2500-pennies.html
Last I knew, pennies were United States currency and legal tender. Don't know who's more out of it on this one, the office staff who called the cops, or the cops who actually arrested the guy instead of laughing their way from the office to the donut emporium.
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dumping them on the counter and floor is where he screwed up particularly the floor
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Title 76 Utah Criminal Code
Chapter 9 Offenses Against Public Order and Decency
Section 102 Disorderly conduct.
76-9-102. Disorderly conduct.
(1) A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if:
(a) he refuses to comply with the lawful order of the police to move from a public place, or knowingly creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition, by any act which serves no legitimate purpose; or
(b) intending to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
(i) engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous, or threatening behavior;
(ii) makes unreasonable noises in a public place;
(iii) makes unreasonable noises in a private place which can be heard in a public place; or
(iv) obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic.
(2) "Public place," for the purpose of this section, means any place to which the public or a substantial group of the public has access and includes but is not limited to streets, highways, and the common areas of schools, hospitals, apartment houses, office buildings, transport facilities, and shops.
(3) Disorderly conduct is a class C misdemeanor if the offense continues after a request by a person to desist. Otherwise it is an infraction.
I guess those pennies made a lot of noise being poured on the counter, or perhaps stopped people from being able to walk around the counter?
I'd say he wasn't intending a public inconvenience, just one for the medical office hassling over a bill he said he didn't owe.
I'd take the case =D
Unfortunately, I don't think you get a jury for an infraction... so lets hope the judge has a sense of humor or at least decency. But I would say he received a citation, not an arrest. At least there was just the common sense to give him a ticket rather than actually haul the guy off to jail.
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Unfortunately, I don't think you get a jury for an infraction... so lets hope the judge has a sense of humor or at least decency. But I would say he received a citation, not an arrest. At least there was just the common sense to give him a ticket rather than actually haul the guy off to jail.
Would not the 6th amendment take care of that if they so choose? Even if it's just an "infraction" wouldn't that still apply as it was part of the criminal code?
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The sad part is pennies are now the only money that is actually worth anything.
He should have paid them with worthless paper.
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The sad part is pennies are now the only money that is actually worth anything.
He should have paid them with worthless paper.
Nickels, at last check, have 7¢ worth of nickel in them.
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Nickels, at last check, have 7¢ worth of nickel in them.
ok, nickels and pennies, then
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"Officers ... issued [West] a citation for disorderly conduct ... which carries a potential fine of $140."
Let's see, that would be 14,000 pennies ...
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"Officers ... issued [West] a citation for disorderly conduct ... which carries a potential fine of $140."
Let's see, that would be 14,000 pennies ...
=D
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The sad part is pennies are now the only money that is actually worth anything.
Pennies are made of zinc, which is worth almost nothing.
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Pennies are made of zinc, which is worth almost nothing.
what happened to the copper ???
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what happened to the copper ???
It went bye-bye a few years ago....you can sort them (new vs old) relatively easily by weight, and pennies have a long circulation life. Nickels (for now, don't count on it to last) are still made of cupronickel, and thus worth more than face value. Everything else is basically worthless.
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Our money is definitely zincing in value :lol:
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:facepalm: I don't know what's worse; the obsession some people here have for detcord, or the obsession some have for puns.
Perhaps we can use detcord on the punners .... and solve both problems. >:D
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what happened to the copper ???
Still on the job, I'd imagine......
=D
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:facepalm: I don't know what's worse; the obsession some people here have for detcord, or the obsession some have for puns.
Perhaps we can use detcord on the punners .... and solve both problems. >:D
We're just talking about the death of common cents.
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:facepalm: I don't know what's worse; the obsession some people here have for detcord, or the obsession some have for puns.
Perhaps we can use detcord on the punners .... and solve both problems. >:D
The status quo must be upheld! If you'll look at the OP, you'll see that you may be ticketed for too much change.
DD
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what happened to the copper ???
In 1986 they reversed the composition ratio of pennies from 95Cu/5Zn to 95Zn/5Cu.
On an interesting note, if you mix pre-86 and post-86 pennies at a ratio of 7/3 and then melt them down you create cartridge brass. =D
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Our money is definitely zincing in value :lol:
That would get you a groaner-foul in ComedySportz... :P
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The status quo must be upheld! If you'll look at the OP, you'll see that you may be ticketed for too much change.
DD
But he asked for no quarter.
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Our money is definitely zincing in value :lol:
Here's one for you pun lover. German Coast guard spoof in a 30 second commercial. It went around a few years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHwIoqTPhU
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So, did the hospital accept the pennies as payment?
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Would not the 6th amendment take care of that if they so choose? Even if it's just an "infraction" wouldn't that still apply as it was part of the criminal code?
SCOTUS has ruled, no right to a jury for a mere infraction. But you can get a judge that was specifically appointed to hear that particular type of case... often those courts are held in the city dept. of finance building, so you know they are legit. :police:
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Pennies are made of zinc, which is worth almost nothing.
Yep. At this point, if you are at an overseas military exchange, they round everything to the nearest nickel. Pennies are way too expensive to transport.
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But he asked for no quarter.
And here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOngTfTMs0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOngTfTMs0)
So, we start with copper pennies
and arrive at a Led Zeppelin...
DD
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Yep. At this point, if you are at an overseas military exchange, they round everything to the nearest nickel. Pennies are way too expensive to transport.
They don't transport any coinage into the sand box for use on the bases. Instead they use little plastic pogs produced by AAFES and denominated as nickles, dimes and quarters in conjunction with paper money because it's lighter to ship into the war zones.
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In the late 80's the DOD and USAREUR agreed to the Treasury's request and all the pennies in Europe were shipped backed to the US because of the 'shortage'. In trade we got all the two dollar bills and Carter quarters (Susan B Anthony dollar coins). It became a game of hot potato as to how fast you could get rid of them, once you got them as change. People (Especially the German places off-post that took US currency, which was almost all of them in Baumholder) would just look at you like "Dude, you're really going to do me like that?" when you would hand them a two dollar bill or a couple of SBAD's.
Favorite thing to do was rip and then tape the Two's. Then they would get taken out of circulation. SPAD's just got chunked into the the nearest pop machine on post.
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Nickels, at last check, have 7¢ worth of nickel in them.
Unless they're the 1942-1945 ones; those have $2 worth of silver in them. And watch for those pre-65 dimes; over $2.60 at current rates.
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They don't transport any coinage into the sand box for use on the bases. Instead they use little plastic pogs produced by AAFES and denominated as nickles, dimes and quarters in conjunction with paper money because it's lighter to ship into the war zones.
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I had seen a few of those, but they weren't in wide use where I was (Korea, Japan, Guam).
In the late 80's the DOD and USAREUR agreed to the Treasury's request and all the pennies in Europe were shipped backed to the US because of the 'shortage'. In trade we got all the two dollar bills and Carter quarters (Susan B Anthony dollar coins). It became a game of hot potato as to how fast you could get rid of them, once you got them as change. People (Especially the German places off-post that took US currency, which was almost all of them in Baumholder) would just look at you like "Dude, you're really going to do me like that?" when you would hand them a two dollar bill or a couple of SBAD's.
Favorite thing to do was rip and then tape the Two's. Then they would get taken out of circulation. SPAD's just got chunked into the the nearest pop machine on post.
When AAFES started using the Sacagewea Dollars, the cashiers got a lot of flack from the retirees that "didn't want no fake money."
The dollar coins would be a lot more popular if more vending machine companies set up their machines to accept them.
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The dollar coins would be a lot more popular if we were allowed to beat dollar coin boosters and penny-killers silly using sacks full of them, Sacajewia or no.
There, that's about right.