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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on June 16, 2011, 09:25:37 PM
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx
This is bad.
This will encourage the Romneys, McCains, Giulianis and other filth to run, and encourage the GOP national structure to support status quo rather than reform.
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Not necessarily. For "generic Republican" read NOT OBAMA. I think the American people understand instinctively that before we can heal what's wrong we must first extract the nettle. There are several paths we can take, and we have a year to make that choice.
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That's funny. All the other polls I've seen in the news the last few days show Obama anywhere from a few points to comfortably ahead of any Republican challenger, at least among likely voters.
Besides, I really believe Romney will be the Republican candidate, and large numbers of conservatives will stay home on election day 2012 with predictable results.
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That's funny. All the other polls I've seen in the news the last few days show Obama anywhere from a few points to comfortably ahead of any Republican challenger, at least among likely voters.
Besides, I really believe Romney will be the Republican candidate, and large numbers of conservatives will stay home on election day 2012 with predictable results.
I will not stay home on election day if Romney is the candidate. I will vote for a conservative in each of the elections. This, of course, means I will be voting for someone other than the Republican candidate in the general.
We cannot survive another candidate that just stops the progress toward complete socialism (if Romney would even do that.) We need someone who will push back. Romney will NEVER get my vote. He can't be trusted. (About nearly anything.)
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Besides, I really believe Romney will be the Republican candidate, and large numbers of conservatives will stay home on election day 2012 with predictable results.
It seems to me that the only clear difference between Romney and Obama is skin color. And in this enlightened age, that's not a winning issue.
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Yep, I won't trade Obamacare for Romneycare, either.
Not when it puts the taint of fiat legitimacy to State-sponsored terrorism despotism autocracy via the Commerce Clause.
Obamacare is the line in the sand. It's where we tell our "betters" to take a stab at a rolling donut.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx
This is bad.
This will encourage the Romneys, McCains, Giulianis and other filth to run, and encourage the GOP national structure to support status quo rather than reform.
I don't see it. The RINOs will run regardless (it's their turn, donchaknow?), and their supporters will always think that Rudy McRomney is more electable than whichever icky conservatives are running.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx
This is bad.
This will encourage the Romneys, McCains, Giulianis and other filth to run, and encourage the GOP national structure to support status quo rather than reform.
It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense
Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?
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It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense
Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?
The people who share my beliefs (to some extent) make up a plurality. Enough of the squishy middle just might realize we're on a path to Argentina and Weimar if we don't stop and turn around.
Fortunately, we'll have an election in a year and five months to see if they wake up. Whatever happens, we'll be getting the government that the majority of the voters deserve.
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It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense
Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?
<Snark related to your final comment removed prior to posting. But I thought REAL hard about going there.>
When a significant plurality WANTS to vote themselves "bread and circuses", and hang the expense because "someone else" is going to have to pay for it anyways, I will argue (DO argue) that the tyranny of the majority is... less relevant than fans of unmitigated democracy might think.
Remember that only about 1/3 of the population supported the American Revolution.
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Romney in the last few weeks has struck out.
--Supports Ethanol boondoggle--Strike 1
--Refused to renounce Romney care--Strike 2
--Believes in man caused global warming--Strike 3
And I think it is evident to the northeastern republican tribe that he carries just too much baggage when being heavily contested by TEA party types. The reason I say that is out of the primal ooze surfaces Rick Perry who is being positioned as a conservative's conservative. Why he alone is responsible for something like 38% of net new jobs in the US since 2009, or so the propagandists say. Key members of his staff as governor left to run Gingrich's (another establishment republican) campaign. When Gingrich cratered, the staff went back to Perry who just coincidently began playing the peek-a-boo game. Gingrich is off the table, Romney will have trouble, and there sits Perry (the establishment republican's hip-pocket candidate).
FWIW, Perry is no constitutional conservative. He is an attractive figure on which the TEA party types can write their hopes and dreams. Establishment republicans would rather have 4 more of Obama than permit an effective TEA party type to represent the party.
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I'd prefer Perry over Romney too, for obvious reasons, but if it becomes Romney versus Obama...well, those of you who plan to stay home or vote third party had better gird your loins for...OMG...secession. This nation is not going to survive another Obama term intact.
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I'd prefer Perry over Romney too, for obvious reasons, but if it becomes Romney versus Obama...well, those of you who plan to stay home or vote third party had better gird your loins for...OMG...secession. This nation is not going to survive another Obama term intact as it exists today.
I'm well aware another Obama term dooms this country. I believe a RINO dooms us as well, just more slowly AND makes it harder to fix after it falls apart.
Thus, if we're screwed either way, I choose the one that gives me the better chance that my little girl will be living in a first world country by the time she grows up, rather than having it collapse around her.
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."
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All I'm saying is...accept the consequences. You're not the only one preparing for hard times.
Another RINO is bad news, that's true, but do you really think that a sufficient quorum of your countrymen, right now, are sufficiently engaged to take us where you'd like us to arrive? The average American doesn't even know who fought in the Civil War.
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All I'm saying is...accept the consequences. You're not the only one preparing for hard times.
Another RINO is bad news, that's true, but do you really think that a sufficient quorum of your countrymen, right now, are sufficiently engaged to take us where you'd like us to arrive? The average American doesn't even know who fought in the Civil War.
Would the situation improve with a RINO in the White House?
The numbers are clear. We have, at most, 15 years at current projections (I'm betting those are too high) until the Ponzi schemes start collapsing. Another Obama term would significantly shorten the time before the collapse. A RINO might not shorten it at all; maybe he would even buy a little more time, but he wouldn't fix it.
Either way, we're screwed. I prefer there be a chance to fix it before my child starts her adult life.
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Well, I'm the one who's been talking about "divorce" for quite a while now. If divorce is inevitable--and I think it is--the goal has to be peaceful separation. Problem is, the American people are not there yet; they are not even close.
Your goal--a better world for your daughter--is best served by focusing on how we can agree to amicably disagree as a people, with all that implies, not by withholding your vote for Romney. Only that was my point.
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Maybe talkers should become doers.
Chris
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With a GOP POTUS, even a RINO, there's at least a CHANCE of getting a good SCOTUS nominee. No guarantee - but a chance.
With Obama - nope. None. Zip. Zero.
Bad SCOTUS nominees can do this country more damage than nearly anything else Obama/Reid/Pelosi have done.
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Maybe talkers should become doers.
Chris
Do you know what I'm doing? Somehow I doubt it.
But what is it, Mr Chris, that you are coyly encouraging? Why don't you spell it out?
I have heard so much macho bluster on this forum. The irony is thick as lard, pal. All I've proposed is organizing a peaceful movement to regain our political autonomy. The rest is your wishful thinking.
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With a GOP POTUS, even a RINO, there's at least a CHANCE of getting a good SCOTUS nominee. No guarantee - but a chance.
With Obama - nope. None. Zip. Zero.
Bad SCOTUS nominees can do this country more damage than nearly anything else Obama/Reid/Pelosi have done.
Yes they can. However, that only matters if the country does not collapse.
My opinion is that we have only a short time (not next year nor even within the next Presidential term, for example, but within a generation) if things continue as they are now. A bad Justice from a bad President only hastens that time.
It is preferable to me to hasten the time to the collapse if avoiding the collapse is not an option.
Voting between a collapse that happens sooner and a collapse that happens later means I pick sooner so that I can deal with the problems rather than my children dealing with them.
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It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense
Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?
??? TP? At the risk of sounding naive, what does that stand for? (Please don't say Toilet Paper.)
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??? TP? At the risk of sounding naive, what does that stand for? (Please don't say Toilet Paper.)
He doesn't like the Tea Party
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Do you know what I'm doing? Somehow I doubt it.
But what is it, Mr Chris, that you are coyly encouraging? Why don't you spell it out?
I have heard so much macho bluster on this forum. The irony is thick as lard, pal. All I've proposed is organizing a peaceful movement to regain our political autonomy. The rest is your wishful thinking.
I'm not encouraging anything, I'm merely pointing that some folks seem to talk about revolution and secession quite a bit. It reminds me of a fable I read as a kid.
The Trumpeter Taken Prisoner
A Trumpeter during a battle ventured too near the enemy and was captured by them.
They were about to proceed to put him to death when he begged them to hear his plea for mercy.
"I do not fight," said he, "and indeed carry no weapon; I only blow this trumpet, and surely
that cannot harm you; then why should you kill me?"
"You may not fight yourself," said the others, "but you encourage and guide your men to the fight."
Words may be deeds.
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If the stupid party cannot field a better candidate than the likes of Romney, I'd sooner vote for Kucinich. I'm sick of the OMG!!WehavetovoteforthestupidpartyorriskliberalSCOTUSpicks!
Been hearing that (I used to think the same way) for so many elections I'm sick of it.
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I'm not encouraging anything, I'm merely pointing that some folks seem to talk about revolution and secession quite a bit. It reminds me of a fable I read as a kid.
The Trumpeter Taken Prisoner
A Trumpeter during a battle ventured too near the enemy and was captured by them.
They were about to proceed to put him to death when he begged them to hear his plea for mercy.
"I do not fight," said he, "and indeed carry no weapon; I only blow this trumpet, and surely
that cannot harm you; then why should you kill me?"
"You may not fight yourself," said the others, "but you encourage and guide your men to the fight."
Words may be deeds.
Nice fable, but without ideas and words there's no purposeful action taken, just instinctive spasms. If I talk about secession it does not mean that that is my ideal outcome, only that it appears to me to be the most plausible future scenario given everything I see right now. Can you honestly tell me that you think it is going to be possible for Americans who still believe in political liberty and the tenets of the U.S. Constitution to co-exist with all of those who do not? Unless freedom-loving Americans find a way to safeguard their own rights they are going to end up submerged.
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I'd prefer Perry over Romney too, for obvious reasons, but if it becomes Romney versus Obama...well, those of you who plan to stay home or vote third party had better gird your loins for...OMG...secession. This nation is not going to survive another Obama term intact.
How much money would you like to bet that no states will secede by the end of Obama's second term?
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How much money would you like to bet that no states will secede by the end of Obama's second term?
With Utah and other States experimenting with "Gold Standard" legislation to divorce themselves from the FRN currency, it becomes more and more possible.
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Micro, this is not about wagering any more than the odds of your country being attacked by Iran is about wagering. I do think you underestimate how fractured this nation could be if Obama's policies are allowed free rein in a second term, perhaps with the adrenaline boost of a SCOTUS majority There's the potential for very serious economic disruption in this country unless we change course, and when people are really backed up against the wall financially--something few living Americans can imagine--just about anything is possible. Secession is only one of several options but all imply significant social friction and the gnashing of teeth.
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Just my thoughts, but electing a RINO is NOT the same as reelecting Obama. It is light years better. If any Republican gets elected, more than likely there will be another increase in Republican representation in Congress and more hope for better budgets out of Congress. I believe I heard that a whole bunch of the spend and tax Democrats in the Senate are up for reelection in either this election or the next also.
I would much rather see a good libertarian leaning conservative in there, but if I have the choice between a stack of rice cakes or a bowl of dog crap, the rice cakes win every time.
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Seeing who all is running in the GOP primary, I'd vote for "generic Republican" over all the current Presidential candidates, too..... ;/
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Micro, this is not about wagering any more than the odds of your country being attacked by Iran is about wagering. I do think you underestimate how fractured this nation could be if Obama's policies are allowed free rein in a second term, perhaps with the adrenaline boost of a SCOTUS majority There's the potential for very serious economic disruption in this country unless we change course, and when people are really backed up against the wall financially--something few living Americans can imagine--just about anything is possible. Secession is only one of several options but all imply significant social friction and the gnashing of teeth.
Here's the deal, longeyes.
One of specific reasons I'm attending graduate school is to make myself a more viable immigration candidate under American immigration laws (Which favor graduate degree holders). I have already bet six years of my life, and am about to bet three more, on the belief America will not collapse by the time I am capable of immigrating there, and in fact will remain a free, prosperous country.
You are making dire predictions about America. The simplest way to back them up is for you to make a specific prediction that can be proven true of false within a set period of time. I do not insist you should bet money - although I recommend it, because it puts a wonderful edge on one's reasoning when money is on the line.
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Can anyone elaborate Obama's policies, and explain how they're different from Ronald Reagan's policies?
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A generic ballot poll is bogus. On one side you have a known candidate which has good points and warts. On the other side you have a dream candidate (no specifics) and more importantly no warts.
Why would anyone think such a ballot would be rational?
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Can anyone elaborate Obama's policies, and explain how they're different from Ronald Reagan's policies?
De Selby, please don't troll. If you can't figure out some of those differences, you need to put on the dunce hat and go sit in the corner.
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Here's the deal, longeyes.
One of specific reasons I'm attending graduate school is to make myself a more viable immigration candidate under American immigration laws (Which favor graduate degree holders). I have already bet six years of my life, and am about to bet three more, on the belief America will not collapse by the time I am capable of immigrating there, and in fact will remain a free, prosperous country.
You are making dire predictions about America. The simplest way to back them up is for you to make a specific prediction that can be proven true of false within a set period of time. I do not insist you should bet money - although I recommend it, because it puts a wonderful edge on one's reasoning when money is on the line.
Well, that's fine, but I already live in the United States, so I do have some skin in the game. As do most of the other people on this forum. What you want and what I want aren't what matters here. I'm not making dire predictions about America: what's dire is already here, and I'm suggesting, if you hear me, that there are constructive and pragmatic solutions, however dramatic they may seem at present, one of which is parts of our population recognizing that they are going to need to divorce themselves from the officially-sanctioned madness. In other words, it will truly become dire if we continue to believe that we are compelled to co-exist with people and forces adverse to our interests and at the cost of our basic liberties.
Okay, money. Fact is, I am investing with what I see in mind. My approach is to use a diverse portfolio of non-correlated assets. This is the best I know how to do at the present time.
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Can anyone elaborate Obama's policies, and explain how they're different from Ronald Reagan's policies?
:facepalm: Geeesh. If you can't figure THAT out on your own, NO ONE can help you..............
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...You are making dire predictions about America. The simplest way to back them up is for you to make a specific prediction that can be proven true of false within a set period of time. I do not insist you should bet money - although I recommend it, because it puts a wonderful edge on one's reasoning when money is on the line.
Well, like longeyes I am not sanguine about America's future. We are currently 14.3 TRILLION dollars in debt and are facing a spending curve that has transitioned upward in, basically, the shape of a hyperbola, since roughly the early to mid 1960s. This is unsustainable. The curve obviously cannot continue upward in reality, even though in theory it can. There is an actual limit to our wealth. I wish I could find some real indication that Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi, Babs Boxer, Diane Feinstein, and other demos would comprehend that .... but I can't seem to.
I mean actions, not words. Anyone can "say" anything in politics.
As of now our GDP growth is down to 1.8%, the last month or so has been HELL on the Dow Jones indicator, and even consumer optimism is waning.
Quantum Easement 2 ends at the end of this month and I don't really know what that portends.
A number of economists have pointed out the real possibility of a "double-dip" recession. This is similar to what happened in the 1930s and probably for much the same reasons. Obama is FDR redux and none of his policies have really helped, only hindered.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt used to complain about the industrialists conspiring against him as the reason his policies didn't work. In 1940 he almost didn't run again because he well knew his administration had utterly failed. It was only the beiginning of WW2 and his switch to an "isolationist" campaign that alllowed him a third term.
Thankfully third terms are not permitted under the Constitution these days, but we still face a possibility Obama, who complains about bankers and other big businesses hoarding $$$$$ and not spending it (an echo of the FDR rantings) getting a second term.
Sparta fell. Greece fell. Rome fell. Even the British Empire, upon which the sun did not set, collapsed.
America will not continue as is. I am not saying we will collapse, but we cannot continue on the path we are now on, or we WILL collapse --just like Rome.
I don't know when. I don't gamble or do sideshows or crystal ball predictions, or tell people how long their "lifeline" is. I am merely looking at our financial situation, as well as our social and cultural condition, and saying, we cannot go on as we have been.
I wish you well if you desire to come here and make a life for yourself. I think we will be all the better for having you here too. Best of luck to you. =)
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Here's the deal, longeyes.
One of specific reasons I'm attending graduate school is to make myself a more viable immigration candidate under American immigration laws (Which favor graduate degree holders). I have already bet six years of my life, and am about to bet three more, on the belief America will not collapse by the time I am capable of immigrating there, and in fact will remain a free, prosperous country.
You are making dire predictions about America. The simplest way to back them up is for you to make a specific prediction that can be proven true of false within a set period of time. I do not insist you should bet money - although I recommend it, because it puts a wonderful edge on one's reasoning when money is on the line.
Even if American dissolution were a high probability, your move would be smart, as I doubt Israel is a viable proposition past 2050 or so.
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In other words, it will truly become dire if we continue to believe that we are compelled to co-exist with people and forces adverse to our interests and at the cost of our basic liberties.
Here's the thing:
You're the one with the apocalyptic predictions.
What I ask is that you make your apocalyptic predictions into a concrete, falsifiable form.
"Dow at 7,000 by 2012."
"Hyperinflation (defined as at least 10000% per annum) by 2013."
"Riots in Tulsa, Oklahoma, by 2014."
What this form should be is for you to decide. But if you are making a prediction, should you not put it in such a form that we may see whether you are right or not?
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Please, with all due respect, I am not about to be suckered into making specific predictions of that nature. No one should do that. The hallways of history are littered with people who presumed to pronounce on such metrics and ended up looking foolish. However...I can point to current trends, as I see them, and outline where they appear to be going based on movements, momentum, demographics, the nation's zeitgeist. You can do the same. You use the term "apocalyptic," by the way. I don't. I use the term "pragmatic." It doesn't take anything but common sense to recognize the unlikelihood of the current American population coming together on the necessary policies and programs. This is now a deeply divided nation, and it took 50 years to get here.
None of this means you shouldn't attempt to emigrate here. We can use all the help we can get.
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De Selby, please don't troll. If you can't figure out some of those differences, you need to put on the dunce hat and go sit in the corner.
I'm quite serious - obama's economic policy is basically identical (and it sees similar bubble effects developing.)
His foreign policy is, again, not at all that different. He's attacking the same interests.
Obama does not present or manage image nearly as well as Reagan did, but on policy I think you'd be hard pressed to identify a core disagreement.
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I'm quite serious - obama's economic policy is basically identical (and it sees similar bubble effects developing.)
His foreign policy is, again, not at all that different. He's attacking the same interests.
Obama does not present or manage image nearly as well as Reagan did, but on policy I think you'd be hard pressed to identify a core disagreement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
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I'm quite serious - obama's economic policy is basically identical (and it sees similar bubble effects developing.)
His foreign policy is, again, not at all that different. He's attacking the same interests.
Obama does not present or manage image nearly as well as Reagan did, but on policy I think you'd be hard pressed to identify a core disagreement.
You are in loony-tune land. Reagan enacted a lot of de-regulation and lowered taxes. This had the effect of getting us out of the Carter malaise and a recession. It really paid off in the 90s when a lot of those de regulated research & development programs began to make a profit. At the end of his presidency we were doing well and government revenues had doubled -- unfortunatly due to a democrat kongress, spending had more than made up for this.
Obama wants to re regulate everything and tax everyone. You might notice we aren't doing so well economically.
Anyone who thinks Reagen=Obama is not living in the same universe. Say hello to Rod Serling for me. [tinfoil]
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I'm quite serious - obama's economic policy is basically identical (and it sees similar bubble effects developing.)
His foreign policy is, again, not at all that different. He's attacking the same interests.
Obama does not present or manage image nearly as well as Reagan did, but on policy I think you'd be hard pressed to identify a core disagreement.
You must live in a very different universe.
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This is now a deeply divided nation, and it took 50 years to get here.
And this is a bad thing?
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And this is a bad thing?
Depends on how it got there and where it's going. The Bible warns that "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
OTOH turning into a non-divided, unified, mono-ideological country has its pitfalls. For example, should it devolve into a tyranny that would be a bad thing. The tyrant may have his "act" together .... and he may not have anyone opposing him (or his views) but that doesn't mean his citizens enjoy great freedom or that those who opposed him enjoy their new occupation: pushing up daises.
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Look at Europe's political world.
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I generally don't do that unless I'm stocked up on Alka Selzer, Pepto Bismal, or some other stomach calmative .... ;)
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I'm quite serious - obama's economic policy is basically identical (and it sees similar bubble effects developing.)
His foreign policy is, again, not at all that different. He's attacking the same interests.
Obama does not present or manage image nearly as well as Reagan did, but on policy I think you'd be hard pressed to identify a core disagreement.
Well, BHO kills a lot more militant Muslims than Reagan ever did.
But, BHO also pisses all over allies while brown-nosing bitter enemies. "Smart Diplomacy," right.
Throw-away comments aside, RWR and BHO have entirely foreign policy different goals in mind. RWR, one of American renewal and strength. BHO, one of American decline and weakness.
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Look at Europe's political world.
No thanks. Two world wars and a genocide in a 30 year span are great arguments for coming down on those not assimilated into middle class American culture with a hammer.
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De Selby, please don't troll. If you can't figure out some of those differences, you need to put on the dunce hat and go sit in the corner.
Thank you & I second that
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Unfortunately, it looks like the GOP acts like the security guards who told people to stay in their office after the first plane hit the tower.
Here in NV the Republicans will not give us a choice at all, Ron Paul probably would win NV if it were not fixed. Romney will win NV caucus & there aint nothing anyone can do about it.
I hope the Tea Party can pull off a miracle and get Sarah or Michelle, I like Cain but have not heard anything about how he is on gun issues.
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No thanks. Two world wars and a genocide in a 30 year span are great arguments for coming down on those not assimilated into middle class American culture with a hammer.
I'm not sure you get my drift at all.
My point is Europe is an example of how a political discourse should NOT be. Sure, Europeans are united - both their right-wing and left-wing parties are afraid to challenge the status quo in any meaningful way, so there's not much 'polarization' going on.
Frankly I'd rather have polarization.
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In all fairness, if I lived in Los Angeles I'd probably think we're headed for Civil War mkII myself...
I also agree with the poster who pointed out that this is meaningless as "generic Republican" is a intrinsically easier choice than whatever tool the GOP foists off on us.
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The real cutting edge of a future civil war isn't in Los Angeles, it's anywhere that Twitter-based flash mobs can congregate. It took sixty years of liberal post-modernism, amp'd up by technology, to turn social networking into felonious anarchy.
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The real cutting edge of a future civil war isn't in Los Angeles, it's anywhere that Twitter-based flash mobs can congregate. It took sixty years of liberal post-modernism, amp'd up by technology, to turn social networking into felonious anarchy.
The violent robbers of downtown Chicago (and I have nothing against peaceful Chicagoites) are as much to do with real flash mobs as arsonists are to, say, a fireworks operator.
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Maybe not in Israel but in America's ghettos they are, whether you choose to believe it or not. I'm not blaming technology; technology didn't create lawless kids but it sure as hell facilitates them.
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I don't see why "flash mob" only includes peaceful, law-abiding "mobbing." Why couldn't it include criminal actions as well?
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I don't see why "flash mob" only includes peaceful, law-abiding "mobbing." Why couldn't it include criminal actions as well?
This wouldn't be a problem - although of course it is not what the word used to mean. The problem is longeyes' attempts to insinuate it is primarily about the violent flash-robberies.
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Of course, the murder/violent crime rates are continuing their decline.
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I'm still waiting for Hillary to resign as Sec of State and announce that she is running. You see Obama is wanting to nominate her to head the World Bank. I would register as a Democrat for the primary just to vote for her against him.
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This wouldn't be a problem - although of course it is not what the word used to mean. The problem is longeyes' attempts to insinuate it is primarily about the violent flash-robberies.
I said nothing of the sort. I'm saying LOOK TO THE MARGINS. Increasingly violent flash mobs, and those that don't need tweets, are telling you something about a serious chunk of this culture. I'm not playing semantic games with you about what "flash mob" means or used to mean, just noting what it's becoming.
You say your prefer "polarization," yes? Well, you're coming to the right country.
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The reduction in overall murder rates seems to counterindicate the suggestions society is growing more violent.
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Only the parts where the average age is going higher.
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No thanks. Two world wars and a genocide in a 30 year span are great arguments for coming down on those not assimilated into middle class American culture with a hammer.
Since 1945, I'd take Europe over us.
Generally speaking the Scandinavian countries especially have the highest standard of living, and the most robust economies (measured by unemployment and GDP growth), and they're not tied to the big big mistake of the Euro-Zone, "the Euro" which if the Greek voters have any sense they will jettison.
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Well, euro girls are cute but I like the wide open wild west, & I like carrying guns almost wherever I please. No euro country has open carry of loaded handguns.
Back to the topic, I'm gonna start praying that Sarah wins the nomination & if she does I'll be on my knees twice a day praying she wins.
I will love talking real loud in SF how happy I am with President Palin
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At age 51, I am not as old as some on this board, but am older than most, I suspect. It is interesting for me to think back over the past 35 years or so about all the individuals and political groups that have predicted the imminent destruction of America, usually because of one Administration and Congress or the other. And yet the Republic endures. Possibly not in a fashion preferred by some, yet it endures nonetheless. I see it enduring for the future, regardless of whom is elected in 2012.
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At age 51, I am not as old as some on this board, but am older than most, I suspect. It is interesting for me to think back over the past 35 years or so about all the individuals and political groups that have predicted the imminent destruction of America, usually because of one Administration and Congress or the other. And yet the Republic endures. Possibly not in a fashion preferred by some, yet it endures nonetheless. I see it enduring for the future, regardless of whom is elected in 2012.
Piff, those Visigoths are just pathetic barbarians. The Eternal City will never fall!
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And we should all stockpile toilet paper, and Krugerrands, and ammunition, because life as we know it will end in 2000 due to Y2K!
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And we should all stockpile toilet paper, and Krugerrands, and ammunition, because life as we know it will end in 2000 due to Y2K!
I'm not saying the Republic will fall. I'm saying "Well, it hasn't yet therefor it can't!" is myopic and a poor line of argumentation. We have a short history in the States, and some things (massive debt and entitlement obligations) that are unprecedented in our short history.
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Piff, those Visigoths are just pathetic barbarians. The Eternal City will never fall!
The Western Roman Empire did not fall with the second sack of Rome.
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Since 1945, I'd take Europe over us.
Generally speaking the Scandinavian countries especially have the highest standard of living, and the most robust economies (measured by unemployment and GDP growth), and they're not tied to the big big mistake of the Euro-Zone, "the Euro" which if the Greek voters have any sense they will jettison.
The Greeks and Italians are the reason that Soros' pet American-dollar-destroyer Euro is going down the pooper.
The Euro was designed to deliberately destabilize the global economic hegemony of the dollar. It was intended to create small waves in an otherwise stagnant currency exchange economy (where Soros makes his money), and he banked on the predictability of that trend.
The suckers that run the European governments that became the EU effed up by including socialist hemorrhoids like Italy and Greece in the communal pool. Not that France is much better, but at least the people there work 32 hours a week before dining on government cheese. ;/
I'm looking eagerly forward to the demise of the Euro, and the EU. 10 years, tops. It was manufactured. Soros made his money. Now he's done, and moved on to swapping between RMB (Ren Min Bi, Chinese Yuan), USD and AED (United Arab Emirates Dirhams). That's the new currency game, and how you make money without doing any actual work.
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The Greeks and Italians are the reason that Soros' pet American-dollar-destroyer Euro is going down the pooper.
The Euro was designed to deliberately destabilize the global economic hegemony of the dollar. It was intended to create small waves in an otherwise stagnant currency exchange economy (where Soros makes his money), and he banked on the predictability of that trend.
The suckers that run the European governments that became the EU effed up by including socialist hemorrhoids like Italy and Greece in the communal pool. Not that France is much better, but at least the people there work 32 hours a week before dining on government cheese. ;/
I'm looking eagerly forward to the demise of the Euro, and the EU. 10 years, tops. It was manufactured. Soros made his money. Now he's done, and moved on to swapping between RMB (Ren Min Bi, Chinese Yuan), USD and AED (United Arab Emirates Dirhams). That's the new currency game, and how you make money without doing any actual work.
On that note, I'm thankful for the Euro right now. Were it not for how destabilized the Euro has become with the problems of the PIIGS, the dollar probably would have gone into free-fall after QE1 and QE2 as people dumped it for the duetschmark (holy crap, I spelled that right without looking it up). So, thanks for propping up the dollar, EU!
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Since 1945, I'd take Europe over us.
Generally speaking the Scandinavian countries especially have the highest standard of living, and the most robust economies (measured by unemployment and GDP growth), and they're not tied to the big big mistake of the Euro-Zone, "the Euro" which if the Greek voters have any sense they will jettison.
Funny how the best places in the world to live (according to the left & squishes) are places that are almost "diversity"-free enclaves of white people.
Anyone care to examine that phenomenon?
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At age 51, I am not as old as some on this board, but am older than most, I suspect. It is interesting for me to think back over the past 35 years or so about all the individuals and political groups that have predicted the imminent destruction of America, usually because of one Administration and Congress or the other. And yet the Republic endures. Possibly not in a fashion preferred by some, yet it endures nonetheless. I see it enduring for the future, regardless of whom is elected in 2012.
Not much small-R republicanism left, what with popular election of Senators and the supremacy of the central gov't over states and citizens.
Sadly, we are more like the later ancient Greek democracies with a veneer of republicanism.
The utility of the COTUS and some of the symbols of republicanism will persist, as they are politically useful, even as the substance rots from within. As did the Roman Senate after Caesar Augustus.
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At age 51, I am not as old as some on this board, but am older than most, I suspect. It is interesting for me to think back over the past 35 years or so about all the individuals and political groups that have predicted the imminent destruction of America, usually because of one Administration and Congress or the other. And yet the Republic endures. Possibly not in a fashion preferred by some, yet it endures nonetheless. I see it enduring for the future, regardless of whom is elected in 2012.
O ye of too much faith...
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At age 51, I am not as old as some on this board, but am older than most, I suspect. It is interesting for me to think back over the past 35 years or so about all the individuals and political groups that have predicted the imminent destruction of America, usually because of one Administration and Congress or the other. And yet the Republic endures. Possibly not in a fashion preferred by some, yet it endures nonetheless. I see it enduring for the future, regardless of whom is elected in 2012.
This is like saying you're the same "Millcreek" you were at 25. Yes, the name is the same, but...
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The Roman Empire endured for some time. It was not the Roman Republic, though.
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What's endured is that the public urinals are as bad today as they were under Vespasian.
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Funny how the best places in the world to live (according to the left & squishes) are places that are almost "diversity"-free enclaves of white people.
Anyone care to examine that phenomenon?
The left are actually racist?
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Funny how the best places in the world to live (according to the left & squishes) are places that are almost "diversity"-free enclaves of white people. Anyone care to examine that phenomenon?
I'd say they are places that embody the political virtues of Northern Europe.
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Funny how the best places in the world to live (according to the left & squishes) are places that are almost "diversity"-free enclaves of white people.
Anyone care to examine that phenomenon?
IIRC, there's more than a million here who are not ethnic Swedes/Scandis. Gypsies, Arabs, Somalis, Albanians, Thais, Hispanic, Turks, Persians. Diversity free? Not since the 60's. Multi-culture is the name of the game here. [barf]
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I should have said erstwhile political virtues of Northern Europe.
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IIRC, there's more than a million here who are not ethnic Swedes/Scandis. Gypsies, Arabs, Somalis, Albanians, Thais, Hispanic, Turks, Persians. Diversity free? Not since the 60's. Multi-culture is the name of the game here. [barf]
85% Swedish, 5% Finns, 10% "other" (Highest single other reported ethnicity, Assyrian .88%)
Yeah, bastion of diversity, you Swedes. ;)