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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Nick1911 on June 21, 2011, 12:11:35 PM
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/52047424-68/labels-cigarette-smoking-fda.html.csp
Personally, I think this is insane. The problem with smoking as a public health problem is not that smokers don't understand the health implications, IMO.
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I predict you'll see people looking for the most disturbing packs as a badge of machismo.
Chris
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/52047424-68/labels-cigarette-smoking-fda.html.csp
Personally, I think this is insane. The problem with smoking as a public health problem is not that smokers don't understand the health implications, IMO.
Correct. The "problem" is that 1) smokers enjoy smoking, 2) smoking becomes a habit, C) it's also addictive.
I quit smoking completely 1,693 days ago. (I have a simple spreadsheet on my desktop that tracks it by days.) And that was after over 25 years of heavy smoking. My company's health plan has a pretty good smoking cessation program that I took advantage of when I was ready to quit! My wife and I both took advantage of it, and quit within a week of each other.
All that background is to preface this: We have guests who smoke. We don't preach at them or shun them; we put out an ashtray. If we're in a public place where people are smoking, we do NOT make faces and wave our hands around like we're having a fit. We both get annoyed (extremely) at the commercials lamenting that Las Vegas does not have what so many other "World Class" cities have: clean indoor air. Then there are the commercials that have the kids talking about how much money we could take from smokers through even more taxes to put towards The Government's social engineering projects.
Can't we all just leave each other alone? :laugh:
DD
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People can smoke all they want, chew or dip too. Just don't do it near me and expose me to your smoke. I know the majority of them will die before they reach my age, but that is their choice....chris3
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Let's not turn this into a smoking argument. The OP's topic is about the mandated graphics.
I quit smoking on September 7, 2008. Prior to that I smoked five packs a day. I started smoking about a pack a day when I was 16 in 1966.
I knew all along that smoking was hazardous to my health, and knew for most of those years that it probably would cause some kind of cancer. Still, I never quit.
Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking. "Reefer Madness" didn't stop people from smoking grass (if anything, it provided entertainment while stoned). Current drug laws don't stop people from using crack, cocaine and other drugs.
I guess the folks in government never learn.
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IMO, all drugs, from alchol, through booze, cigarettes, cocaine to weed should be legal, and sold in plain packaging that'd state in stark terms, how addictive they are, what are the health risks, how much they lower life expectancy, etc. Not really necessary to put nasty pictures on them.
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It seems preposterous to me that people at times actually believed inhaling any kind of smoke is not harmful.
That said, anyone stupid enough to smoke $hit deserves all the health related trouble smoking brings with them.
The only concern of mine is that people who don't smoke don't have to share the smokers' healthcare expenses. Same goes for alcoholics and gluttons. Those people deserve to pay higher health insurance.
I'm ambivalent about smoking bans. On one hand, before smoking bans, there was not one pub in Bratislava with clean air. Sure, there were cafés and restaurants with clean air, but not one of these places served beer at reasonable prices.
Doesn't matter that a lot of people don't smoke at all, simply put, no pub owners risked banning smokers from his venue. No one even dared to experiment, or to try to lure non-smokers with a smoke-free establishment.
It's the same with loud music... doesn't matter that half of the people dislike it, if they don't speak up or leave, pubs will continue to play effing loud music.
I mean.. I once specifically asked them to not play any music (we were alone in our part of the cellar, and it was nicely quiet when we sat down). Specifically. Five minutes later, music starts blaring... so I disconnected the speakers, instead of asking again. Staff were later seen scratching their dim heads..
Come to think of it, next time something irritates me this way in a pub, I'll make myself heard.
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The reasoning they give is very nanny-state. If the justification was that some smokers can't read, that would be more palatable.
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Seriously! If the punitive taxation and pariah-hood that has been imposed on smokers has not gotten them to quit, do these fools really expect a graphic to do the job? :facepalm:
Anybody else here ever have "altitude sickness" while being a 5-pack-a-day smoker? Who refused to give up smoking even while unable to draw a breath? With a measured hypoxia of 70%? And you think a graphic was going to even be noticed, let alone have some magical impact on behavior?
All I can say is I have not had a cigarette since before the days when smokers were forced to huddle outside at least 50 feet from the doorway in order to suck down tars and nicotine. In some places (New Yawk Citee!) that almost puts them out in the middle of the street - and they don't care if they have to stand there dodging traffic.
There are days when I am convinced that if you showed a liberal the instructions printed on the bottom of the heel of a boot they still could not pour piss out of it.
stay safe.
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/52047424-68/labels-cigarette-smoking-fda.html.csp
Personally, I think this is insane. The problem with smoking as a public health problem is not that smokers don't understand the health implications, IMO.
It'll make sense when they also require cars to be fully adorned with graphic pictures of accident victims.
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It'll make sense when they also require cars to be fully adorned with graphic pictures of accident victims.
Don't give them ideas!
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IMO, cars of people who DUI ought to be adorned with these kinds of pictures.
I mean, if it'd prevent just one drunk driver from getting behind the wheel.. =D
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...and we should put photos of toothless people on candy, photos of fat people on ice cream, photos of stupid people on the New York Times, etc, etc.
"Doing good ain't got no end." ---Captain Redlegs Terrell, "Outlaw Josie Wales'
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Really? That's the most absurd notion I've heard in a long time. Every time I think the idiots in DC couldn't possibly come up with anything more ridiculous, they surprise me again.
I quite smoking 36 days ago after smoking for <ahem> years. No patch, no gum, no assistance at all, just a refusal to accept that I can be beaten by cigarette. The pics of what your lungs look like after smoking didn't do it, the price of cigarettes didn't do it, the outbreak of anti-smoking laws here didn't do it, being treated like a pariah by none-smokers didn't do it, the death of a close friend from lung cancer didn't do it. What did it was the fact that I finally reached a point where I was ready to quit and found a way to make it work for me - by considering it a challenge to be overcome. That isn't to say that I won't pick up a cigarette tomorrow, but for today, it's working and I'll tackle tomorrow when I role out of bed in the morning. No disgusting pictures necessary. We all have to find what works for us, which is what understanding addiction is all about. Apparently the FDA does NOT understand addiction.
And Lanius, don't move here with the notion of becoming a voting citizen.
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And Lanius, don't move here with the notion of becoming a voting citizen.
Why should I want to move to a nation that is in high speed decline? Maybe I'll move once it bounces off the bottom, but probably not.
36 days ago? Hah.. you can say you've quit once you have gone a year without fags..
I know of people who 'quit' dozens of times, some of these attempts lasted months or half a year.
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This thread immediately reminded me of Denis Leary's "No Cure for Cancer" routine. Fast forward to 4:56. Foul language warning. DEFINITELY NSFW!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zAeW8z1O9E&feature=related
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Why should I want to move to a nation that is in high speed decline? Maybe I'll move once it bounces off the bottom, but probably not.
It's not that bad. Yet.
36 days ago? Hah.. you can say you've quit once you have gone a year without fags..
I've gone all 33 years of my life without those. Of course, that word means something entirely different here. :lol:
I know of people who 'quit' dozens of times, some of these attempts lasted months or half a year.
I have been told by many current and former smokers that it is harder to quit than any other drug.
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photos of stupid people on the New York Times,
Already covered:
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I love the health argument.
My dad smokes about five pack a day, has since he was in is mid 20's.
He got an inneroccular melanoma. That's a type of skin cancer caused by UV rays. :facepalm:
Smoking does have heath issues, lots of them, but they are overhyped by the anti smokers.
My Dad did try quiting, a few times e managed over a year. He never goes outside without sunglasses on, though.
Lots of things cause cancer. I'll quit smoking when I quit smoking. I didn't start because of peer pressure and knowing the health risks. I doubt i'll stop because of them. ;/
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I didn't start because of peer pressure and knowing the health risks. I doubt i'll stop because of them.
Sure, but I'll bet those photos will make you afraid to buy a pack.
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I didn't start because of peer pressure and knowing the health risks.
Then why *did* you start? Was it the attractive stench, or the ability to literally burn money in your hands?
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[popcorn]
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Then why *did* you start? Was it the attractive stench, or the ability to literally burn money in your hands?
I don't know about anybody else, but I started to smoke so I could piss off holier-than-thou assh*les like you. I quit smoking to piss off a different cohort of assh*les.
As for your estimation of the current and future status of this country, may I remind you of Sir Winston's appraisal - we are the absolutely worst possible country in the world, with the absolutely worst possible political system -- except for all the others.
stay safe.
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Sure, but I'll bet those photos will make you afraid to buy a pack.
I don't think they will do anything except make anti-smoking activists happy (for a little while).
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I work at a chemical plant around a lot of blue collar hourly workers. A lot of them smoke. Hell, the plant we work at does not allow smoking inside the gate, yet they either go outside the gate to catch a quick smoke or use one of those electronic cigarettes while at work. These guys really don't care what your opinion is about their smoking.
IMO, the worst people I see around this whole argument are the rabid anti-smokers.
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I don't know about anybody else, but I started to smoke so I could piss off holier-than-thou assh*les like you. I quit smoking to piss off a different cohort of assh*les.
As for your estimation of the current and future status of this country, may I remind you of Sir Winston's appraisal - we are the absolutely worst possible country in the world, with the absolutely worst possible political system -- except for all the others.
stay safe.
Best post in the history of this forum.
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Then why *did* you start? Was it the attractive stench, or the ability to literally burn money in your hands?
Its a comfort smell. The only safe people in my life smoked. *shrug* some of its also an ADD thing. When I get upset and frustrated, smoking calms me down.
My dad is a heavy smoker partially because he transfered one addiction to another. I think smoking is much better then alcohol. It sure as hell won't kill him as fast.
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I don't know about anybody else, but I started to smoke so I could piss off holier-than-thou assh*les like you. I quit smoking to piss off a different cohort of assh*les.
Who is that second cohort? ???
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"Why should I want to move to a nation that is in high speed decline? Maybe I'll move once it bounces off the bottom, but probably not."
If you are going to post here young man, please consider not continuing to put your ignorance out there for everyone to see. You'll be taken much more seriously if you do...that and living maybe another 30 or 40 years and paying attention.
As for moving here, I think you'd be better served staying where you are. It occurs to me that perhaps all you really know about America is what you read or hear from the media. I can assure you that perspective about America is as limited and incorrect as yours appears to be.
The main reason America is the special place that it is, it's people noble and exceptional is because the best, boldest, and finest people from the rest of the world had the ambition and courage to come here and prosper because they could be free to do so. The trouble with the rest of you is that your gene pool became rather shallow as a result.
We may have some elected officials that have made some bad choices but as Americans we always seem to give some folks the benefit of the doubt. That's another one of our better traits...giving a person enough rope to hang themselves. Probably that benefit is coming to a screeching halt fairly soon.
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36 days ago? Hah.. you can say you've quit once you have gone a year without fags..
I know of people who 'quit' dozens of times, some of these attempts lasted months or half a year.
Apparently you missed this part: That isn't to say that I won't pick up a cigarette tomorrow, but for today, it's working and I'll tackle tomorrow when I role out of bed in the morning.
I make no claims that I'll succeed. All I can say is that I've succeeded for 36 days. And your arguements sound an awful lot like those of someone who's doesn't really know what the hell he's talking about. Until you're speaking from personal experience rather than the experiences of people you merely know, I won't consider you an adequate judge of my status as a smoker or non-smoker. But thanks for the input!
IMO, the worst people I see around this whole argument are the rabid anti-smokers.
Yep. Completely agree! Kinda makes me wanna be just as rabid. Someone should warn them. Don't provoke the chick who just quit smoking lest she unleash her inner b*tch on your sorry *ss.
The main reason America is the special place that it is, it's people noble and exceptional is because the best, boldest, and finest people from the rest of the world had the ambition and courage to come here and prosper because they could be free to do so. The trouble with the rest of you is that your gene pool became rather shallow as a result.
That has my vote for the best post on the forum. Buy Grampster a beverage and a box of ammo.
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Then why *did* you start? Was it the attractive stench, or the ability to literally burn money in your hands?
Because I enjoy it. And I need justify myself to no man.
(Fighting VERY hard not to make a rude retort. Armed POLITE society. Sigh.)
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I quite smoking 36 days ago after smoking for <ahem> years. No patch, no gum, no assistance at all, just a refusal to accept that I can be beaten by cigarette. The pics of what your lungs look like after smoking didn't do it, the price of cigarettes didn't do it, the outbreak of anti-smoking laws here didn't do it, being treated like a pariah by none-smokers didn't do it, the death of a close friend from lung cancer didn't do it. What did it was the fact that I finally reached a point where I was ready to quit and found a way to make it work for me - by considering it a challenge to be overcome. That isn't to say that I won't pick up a cigarette tomorrow, but for today, it's working and I'll tackle tomorrow when I role out of bed in the morning. No disgusting pictures necessary. We all have to find what works for us, which is what understanding addiction is all about. Apparently the FDA does NOT understand addiction.
Congratulations! I'm at 5 months and 20 days. Keep it up.
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Congratulations! I'm at 5 months and 20 days. Keep it up.
You'll notice that the time from when you get an urge to smoke and the time when you realize the urge is no longer urgent gets shorter and shorter. Once in a while I still find myself thinking about how good a smoke would be. Not so much an urge or desire, but a memory. For example, I used to really like having a smoke outside on a cold, still day. Or outside during a good rain while I was sheltered from it by a porch or whatever. Brings back comforting memories. But I don't need that experience any more. And I really love taking a shower in the morning without hacking up phlegm for the first few minutes.
It can be done. You just have to be ready to do it.
DD
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Quitting smoking is like quitting any addiction. If you don't want to, you won't succeed. In the ~42 years I smoked, I never tried to quit, because I never wanted to quit. When I decided I wanted to, I used every cheat possible: medication, pacifiers (first the Nicotrol inhalers, then wood-tipped cigars to chew), and others.
The physical addiction is supposed to be gone after a week or so. The psychological is really the hardest. I knew that the hand-to-mouth behavior was ingrained in me, so I got the Nicotrol inhalers to satisfy the need to have something to hold and to have in my mouth. They look goofy, though, so I switched to the thin, wood-tipped cigars. I cut them in half, so they're just stubs, and chew the wood tips. It still looks goofy, but it's been two years and nine months since I quit a five pack a day habit.
I'll never go back. There's just no percentage in it. But photographs would never have deterred me from smoking.
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Until he died of old age several years ago one of my best friends was a lomg-time heroin addict. He taught me many of the things I know to be true about life.
As I said, George was an addict. Now, when I met him he had not used heroin for about 25 years. But he said that every day, at least once a day and on some days several times a day, he thought about using. He decided that at that very moment he was not going to use, even though he was thinking about it. He had strung together enough moments to add up to 25 years, and when he finally passed on the grand total was getting closer to 50. But he would never have been able to go 50 years without using heroin again if he had started out intending that to be his goal.
Like George I choose not to smoke right at this moment. I have no idea what will happen during the next moment, and cannot afford to worry about it as I'm busy dealing with this moment. I never can remember when my last cigarette was. All I know is that right now I have decided not to smoke right now.
12-steppers have it all wrong. It's not one day at a time. It's one moment at a time.
stay safe.
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My wife had a 3 pack a day habit. 25 years ago she woke up in the morning and said to herself that she didn't want to smoke anymore. She has never smoked again.
Dick is right. You gotta wanna. It's as simple as that. Every law, every advertisement, every caution etc etc etc about smoking or stopping smoking is nothing but some people, for whatever reason, trying to have power over you. It is all meaningless drivel for their selfish reasons. Has nothing to do with you other than the satisfaction that is gained by your manipulation by law or public opinion. It is subliminal propaganda intended to take your freedom from you.
I take great pleasure in watching people puff on those water vapor thingies just because it pisses people off who think they are actually smoking tobacco.
If one wants to stop smoking, then stop. You gotta wanna.
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Grampster, that's why mandatory rehab for alcoholics and drug addicts don't work (my brother and BIL have been through them dozens, if not hundreds, of times). Until the addict wants to quit, there's no point in rehab.
That's also why insurance companies cover so little for rehab. The chances of rehabilitation are extremely low because only a small minority who go actually want to quit. The others in rehab are there because their families want them to quit, or the courts have ordered them into rehab. Ain't gonna work.
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Actually, what might be more effective is to find each addict's "bottom" and put them there right away.
Every addict has a bottom. When they hit it, they decide they want to quit. For some it's losing family. For others, it's losing their jobs. Others have shallower bottoms (as I did), such as losing cars or drivers license, or whatever.
If it were possible to determine in advance what the bottom might be, maybe by asking friends and family, the bottom could be hit right away. Fire the person from his job, or take away the drivers license or car, or have the wife file for divorce.
I know it's not realistic, but it sure would save a lot of time and anguish.
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All of this behavioral modification clap trap is about the same two things that have been around forever: Money and power.
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Actually, what might be more effective is to find each addict's "bottom" and put them there right away... or have the wife file for divorce.
Sometimes that isn't even enough. That was the primary reason for my divorce and to my knowledge it hasn't had an impact on his lifestyle habits/choices. Of course, that also demonstrates that losing me didn't put him "on the bottom" which also confirms other suspicions I had about the marriage, but that's neither here nor there. Determining someone's "bottom" is difficult when looking in from outside. How low will they allow themselves to sink? Personally, I won't let myself go too low. Someone else might have a much higher threshold for humiliation, degradation, desperation than I do. Then there's the factor of whether or not they have bootstraps or any other means of pulling themselves up.
Addicts are like teenagers in some ways. Sometimes you have to just step back and let them make their mistakes, no matter how desparately you may want to "fix" it for them - because you simply can't and trying to only ensures that they won't learn the necessary skills to fix it themselves.
On a side note, congrats Vodka7 and thanks for the encouragement! Doggy Daddy - yes, the time between urges is longer, the urges themselves shorter. But sometimes it hits me like a brick to the forehead and it's all I can do not to go directly to the nearest gas station and buy a pack. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it, it just comes from out of nowhere. So far I've resisted and that's all that matters. Good luck to all of us!
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But sometimes it hits me like a brick to the forehead and it's all I can do not to go directly to the nearest gas station and buy a pack.
Yep, like a brick. But from what you've said, it sounds like that brick will work more FOR you than AGAINST you. Apparently you don't like to be told what to do. That's good. Don't let the brick try to tell you squat! :lol:
DD
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My brother was like that a bit with tobacco chew/dip. He had been trying to quit the stuff for a few years and would go several weeks. Then he would be out at 1 AM and someone he knew would offer him a dip. Then he would go another several weeks before trying to quit again. The last time, I happened to be there and saw him get offered the dip and ran over and bear hugged him. He didn't take it. It seemed pretty minor at the time, just having fun, but he later said that was the last time he was really tempted. Of course, he still does the nicotine gum, but any issues with that are pretty minor by comparison.
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Apparently having a cigar once or twice a year jacks your life insurance rates up to double non-smokers. Ask me how I know... g-d m-fing insurance companies...
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Apparently having a cigar once or twice a year jacks your life insurance rates up to double non-smokers. Ask me how I know... g-d m-fing insurance companies...
How did they know? ???
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They test for it.
Chris
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They test for it.
Chris
They asked, I answered honestly.
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They asked, I answered honestly.
That too, but one of the tests I was subjected to was a urine test for nicotine.
Chris
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That too, but one of the tests I was subjected to was a urine test for nicotine.
Chris
I do a blood test for it.
Thing is, the test we do here can only detect back about 3 days. That's why I was wondering why a cigar or two a year would have been a problem for testing.
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I imagine they may not believe it is only one or two a year.
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I imagine they may not believe it is only one or two a year.
Yeah, I think it's a blanket "If he admits to smoking at all he must be a lying addict" kinda policy. :mad:
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Yeah, I think it's a blanket "If he admits to smoking at all he must be a lying addict" kinda policy. :mad:
Folks like discriminating. Fat folks and smokers are still ok to go after.
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Once in a while I still find myself thinking about how good a smoke would be. Not so much an urge or desire, but a memory. For example, I used to really like having a smoke outside on a cold, still day. Or outside during a good rain while I was sheltered from it by a porch or whatever.
The thing is, I would still smoke during times like that, but as a nonhabitual smoker, I never have any cigarettes around when the urge hits. It's a shame they don't 'keep'. Can you keep cigarette tobacco around like you do cigars in humidors? If so I could roll them on demand.
I smoke a couple cigars a year but I haven't got busted yet. I didn't know you could detect nicotine in blood tests. I'll have to keep that in mind.
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Last cigarette 15 March 2000. The maintenance manager and I quit at the same time. We used some pill that made reduced the urge and made cigarettes taste like crap.
I ate a lot of carrot and celery sticks.
I have a cigar every now and again but don't have any desire to take it up again. About once every 3-6 months I'll have the "A cigarette would be good now." moment, but they are very few and far between.
Keep it up DD and MrsSmith, it gets easier as each day goes by.
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Last cigarette 15 March 2000. The maintenance manager and I quit at the same time. We used some pill that made reduced the urge and made cigarettes taste like crap.
I used the patch, which gave me some very interesting and vivid dreams. I really miss those dreams. I wonder if I could go back on the patch just for recreational purposes... >:D
DD
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I used the patch, which gave me some very interesting and vivid dreams. I really miss those dreams. I wonder if I could go back on the patch just for recreational purposes... >:D
DD
Don't say that too loud, or nicotine replacements will be the next thing the DEA goes after. ;/
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I'll be honest and say I hate smoking. Part of the reason is that all it takes is a slight wiff of it to give me chest pains, shortness of breath and a lovely tingling in my left arm. The other part is that it IS bad for my health and while it's not as bad as say an unshielded radiation source it is unhealthy and I don't want to be exposed to it against my will by opening a window or walking to the grocery store.
That said, most smokers know that smoking kills you, they generally don't care.
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I used the patch,
I tried the patch, but it tasted like burning plastic and wouldn't stay lit.
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I tried the patch, but it tasted like burning plastic and wouldn't stay lit.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I tried the patch, but it tasted like burning plastic and wouldn't stay lit.
Duh. You're not supposed to smoke a patch. Patches are for chewing.
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Duh. You're not supposed to smoke a patch. Patches are for chewing.
:facepalm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LQ4_MhDu4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LQ4_MhDu4)
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I've not been hasseled over admitting a 1-2 cigar/year tobacco use when applying for life insurance. They're far more uptight about my LDL/HDL ratio.
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I've not been hasseled over admitting a 1-2 cigar/year tobacco use when applying for life insurance. They're far more uptight about my LDL/HDL ratio.
Interesting. Everything else was fine, maybe they just needed an excuse to jack the rates up.
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Who are you using to find the life insurance? I've had good luck with Zander (one of Dave Ramsey's recommended companies). Only issue is that they don't deal that much with pilots (probably going to start on my PPL in a year or so) so the price you'd pay for aviation coverage is beyond absurd. Far better to go with AOPA or a life insurance company/broker that specializes with pilots.
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One of the reasons it is smart to buy life insurance when you are very young is after the 2 year contestable period, the only way the policy can be cancelled is if you don't pay the premium. Some policies have a feature that will pay the premium as well. Other policy features have guaranteed options to purchase more at certain ages or events such as marriage or birth of a child regardless of health or occupation.
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The way term life insurance rates are going it's often cheaper to replace your insurance every few years as the rates keep dropping. At least until you get old enough that the rate increase due to your age outstrips the drop in overall rates. I'm getting $50k more than what I had gotten 4 years ago for $80/year less in premiums. Never mind inflation or that I'm 4 years older. In another year or two, if I keep up on the bike riding and get my weight back down under 185, and get my LDL/HDL ratio where they like it I'll be able to chop $150-200 off that annual premium again.
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:facepalm:
Why the face palm?
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A product's packaging should primarily be designed to sell the product, not to dissuade people from buying it.
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Why the face palm?
Because of:
Patches are for chewing.
What else? ???
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Apparently you don't like to be told what to do.
Whatever gave you that idea? =D
Fell off the wagon a bit this weekend and had a couple drags at a party Saturday night, but haven't given it another thought since then. I'm not counting that against myself. And I don't care what if anyone says otherwise so don't bother arguing with me about it.
Oh, and the guys at the liquor store had some of those packs with the pictures on them. Marlboro menthols, empty not new, so I don't know where they got them. But the pic on the one I saw was positively disgusting. Showed a burned foot - I mean all over burned, looked like a piece of human charcoal. Can't fathom how that pertains to cigarette smoking. If I were intent on smoking though, I'd just dump them into a plastic case and toss the wrapper. Problem solved.
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Because of:What else? ???
Doggy Daddy, I was joking. I guess I really need a more obvious sense of humor.
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Oh, okay. I was trying to be polite, since I thought you might have been just having a senior moment.
DD
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Oh, okay. I was trying to be polite, since I thought you might have been just having a senior moment.
DD
I'm sorry, dick.... But I laughed...
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I'm sorry, dick.... But I laughed...
So did I. Then I forgot what I was laughing about. ;)
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[bow] =D [/bow]
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I wonder how these graphics will effect new smokers. Will it make the rebellious teens want to smoke more or less? I would think that the target audience is not fully-addicted smokers here. As you have all pointed out and with my own experience as a former pack-a-day smoker, these graphics are going to do nothing to people who are addicted. In other words, I hope they are intentionally targeting the potential smokers who will never start if they see this imagery, otherwise this is a giant waste of money.
I generally don't have a problem with smokers, but damnit I really hate smelling that crap. I quit smoking August 11, 2004, because of a 3 day hangover that had me throwing up every time I would try to smoke. That made it pretty easy actually (in relative terms, it was still ridiculously hard) as I knew that I never wanted to smoke again. Nor have I even cheated once, or thought seriously about smoking. However, since then, the smell of cigarette smoke gives me horrible headaches.