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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on July 12, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58792.html
He's letting all comers know they can run for his TX seat in 2012.
He's either POTUS in 2013, or unemployed.
Good for him. I hate hedge-betters in politics. Right now he's the only one I'll vote for. Including the non-candidate Palin.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58792.html
Good for him. I hate hedge-betters in politics. Right now he's the only one I'll vote for. Including the non-candidate Palin.
That.
Good for him.
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Age, no doubt, is catching up with the old man.
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I wouldn't vote for him if there was a half way decent alternative. I like him as an idea guy and my Congressman, but I don't think he would make a good President. 4 years of him as COC would be 4 years of nothing. He may not vote any bad laws in, but he would make little or no gains. Of course, he might get nasty deconstructing the executive branch which wouldn't be all bad. That would likely be the main positive.
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He may not vote any bad laws in, but he would make little or no gains.
A president with principles and balls to back them, which managed to stay alive in office, could majorly prune the executive branch, which would be massive, colossal gain.
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"Objective Branch??" =|
Let's see... executive, legislative, judicial.....I don't remember any "Objective Branch." [popcorn]
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I wouldn't vote for him if there was a half way decent alternative. I like him as an idea guy and my Congressman, but I don't think he would make a good President. 4 years of him as COC would be 4 years of nothing. He may not vote any bad laws in, but he would make little or no gains. Of course, he might get nasty deconstructing the executive branch which wouldn't be all bad. That would likely be the main positive.
Which is better than the prospects of another RINO or Demoncrat in office. Vetoing bad laws, rescinding executive orders, and not passing more crappy unconstitutional executive orders is like christmas and my birthday rolled into one.
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I wish he'd bag the president gig and get on with his destiny which is SecTreasury where he can do battle with the FED.
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"Objective Branch??" =|
Let's see... executive, legislative, judicial.....I don't remember any "Objective Branch." [popcorn]
Its a Randian thing.
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I wouldn't vote for him if there was a half way decent alternative. I like him as an idea guy and my Congressman, but I don't think he would make a good President.
this is apparently a very prevalent view in his home district, where one would think folks know him best
sadly the last "principled man" in the oval office did much harm some that is still unfolding. not sure we can afford another
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I wouldn't vote for him if there was a half way decent alternative. I like him as an idea guy and my Congressman, but I don't think he would make a good President.
this is apparently a very prevalent view in his home district, where one would think folks know him best
sadly the last "principled man" in the oval office did much harm some that is still unfolding. not sure we can afford another
Are you really saying that Bush had "principles"?
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i was thinking of that peanut farmer
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The only "principled man" in the White House in my lifetime was Harry Truman. What harmful things did he do?
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Are we really comparing Paul to these people? Really?
"Ah yes, Paul has been called 'principled', well I remember once we had a president who was also called that and it didn't go well. *wink* *wink* Never mind anything about how their politics are completely different, they were both called 'principled' by mysterious unknown people who I am not going to name, therefore they are the same. Maybe. I didn't really say that, but a-wink a-wink"
You might as well compare people based on their hair color.
"We all know what happened the last time we had a grey-hair in the white house!"
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He is what ... 75 ???
Don't you think he might want to retire?
Paul would be a very "bad" president, in the sense of unpopular. The things that need to be done to save this republic are going to be bad tasting medicine.
Just trimming back the empire would be worth one four year term.
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The only "principled man" in the White House in my lifetime was Harry Truman. What harmful things did he do?
Beg to differ....Eisenhower was pretty principled....
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Beg to differ....Eisenhower was pretty principled....
and he worked for a living at one time in his life.
there are some great stories about his wife sending the secret service guys shopping for he. she clipped safeway coupons
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Which is better than the prospects of another RINO or Demoncrat in office. Vetoing bad laws, rescinding executive orders, and not passing more crappy unconstitutional executive orders is like christmas and my birthday rolled into one.
When I say a decent alternative, that is at least in part what I mean. I think we do have them so far this time.
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last time this country elected "an hionest man" i reaction to the usual washington nonsense we got more than we bargained on
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I wouldn't vote for him if there was a half way decent alternative. I like him as an idea guy and my Congressman, but I don't think he would make a good President.
this is apparently a very prevalent view in his home district, where one would think folks know him best
sadly the last "principled man" in the oval office did much harm some that is still unfolding. not sure we can afford another
I think part of that is that many see him as sitting there and getting little or nothing done. He votes no a lot even on bills we sometimes need and gets little done.
I like the his ideas, I just think he picks his battles poorly. I think if he was President and had a Congress supporting him, he would throw us in the chaos in his effort to "fix" things and wouldn't go about the transition very well.
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yup
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I think part of that is that many see him as sitting there and getting little or nothing done. He votes no a lot even on bills we sometimes need and gets little done.
I like the his ideas, I just think he picks his battles poorly. I think if he was President and had a Congress supporting him, he would throw us in the chaos in his effort to "fix" things and wouldn't go about the transition very well.
We're headed for chaos now. Pick your poison. Insolvency and bankruptcy doesn't bode well for the future of us as a "free" people.
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Happily, libertarian policies do not require a wise leader to implement.
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an electable one would be nice though
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an electable one would be nice though
The electability of leaders is defined almost solely by the quality of the political professionals who market them.
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so he is yet again fubar?
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The electability of leaders is defined almost solely by the quality of the political professionals who market them.
And the morons who vote for them based on looks, speech patterns, and "electability".
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We're headed for chaos now. Pick your poison. Insolvency and bankruptcy doesn't bode well for the future of us as a "free" people.
Yep =(
Basically the USA is an alcoholic - drunk on deficit spending.
The first step is to admit you have a problem ;)
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I like the his ideas, I just think he picks his battles poorly. I think if he was President and had a Congress supporting him, he would throw us in the chaos in his effort to "fix" things and wouldn't go about the transition very well.
What transition do you mean?
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What transition do you mean?
Probably the transition from a drunken brawling empire to a mannerly astute republic. =|
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As much as I think Paul is off base in his foreign policy I'll vote for the man if only to prove later that while Western Civilization collapsed, I voted for the Red Pill.
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While the attitudes of voters may have shifted slightly towards fiscal responsibility since 2008, the attitudes of the Media and the RNC Elite have not. Paul will get stiffed, screwed, and/or ignored just as much this time as he did last time, and will be lucky to make double digits in any of the polls that get reported.
That said, I still would love to see what he could accomplish, especially if he had Republican majorities in both houses. I'll vote for him if he survives the primaries, but considering the way most GOP voters consider him crazy (either for wanting a controllable supply of money, or for not wanting to blow up every country that looks at us funny), I'm pretty sure we'll end up with yet another "electable" moderate.
Paul's first ad is out. Not sure if I agree with the "Politics as Action Flick" feel of it, but it gets the message across.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-07-14/conviction-not-compromise-ron-pauls-first-2012-tv-ad/
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While the attitudes of voters may have shifted slightly towards fiscal responsibility since 2008, the attitudes of the Media and the RNC Elite have not. Paul will get stiffed, screwed, and/or ignored just as much this time as he did last time, and will be lucky to make double digits in any of the polls that get reported.
That said, I still would love to see what he could accomplish, especially if he had Republican majorities in both houses. I'll vote for him if he survives the primaries, but considering the way most GOP voters consider him crazy (either for wanting a controllable supply of money, or for not wanting to blow up every country that looks at us funny), I'm pretty sure we'll end up with yet another "electable" moderate.
Paul's first ad is out. Not sure if I agree with the "Politics as Action Flick" feel of it, but it gets the message across.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-07-14/conviction-not-compromise-ron-pauls-first-2012-tv-ad/
That ad will destroy the GOP as we know it, if it gets wider distribution than gun/TEA party web forums and Youtube can provide.
I like it.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen HTG around? Forum stats show him last active around April 1, 2011.
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The only thing I don't like about that commercial is the change in the speaker from a narrative voice to merely listing talking points.
Currently, it goes like this:
"Will our party's leaders repeat the mistakes of the past? Will they choose compromise, or conviction? -dramatic pause- One candidate has always been true.
Ron Paul.
Cut spending.
Balance the budget.
No deals."
I would prefer something more like:
"Will our party's leaders repeat the mistakes of the past? Will they choose compromise, or conviction? -dramatic pause- One candidate has always been true.
Ron Paul:
- has always voted to cut spending.
- wants to balance the budget.
- will not make any deals.
"
Without tying him in to the talking points, he could be anybody making empty promises. The people still need to hear who he is and what he stands for. When you just say "Ron Paul! Cut spending!" it sounds like "Cut spending" is a non-committal slogan instead of an actual verifiable voting record.
But dear GOD is it an upgrade over his 2008 commercials (one is posted at the above link for you who didn't click it yet).
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That ad will destroy the GOP as we know it, if it gets wider distribution than gun/TEA party web forums and Youtube can provide.
I like it.
Me too....not sure I'd vote for him, but he's raised the bar for the other GOP contenders.....
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I'm amazed. I didn't think the campaign was capable of such an upgrade.
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wow
great start
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Made me donate $20.12 to his campaign.
It's still super-early and I'm prepared for him to wind up as a "spoiler" candidate that attracts a lot of heat and ire before the "real" candidate starts to run...
But the "real" candidate isn't going to get a penny from me if he's Rudy McRomney.
And my money will make sure that Paul gets that much more time and air to push the issues I care about, making all the Rudy McRomneys squirm a bit more.
And who knows? Stranger things have happened. Maybe he can win if he puts all in and wins over some critics. It's all about momentum.
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Made me donate $20.12 to his campaign.
It's still super-early and I'm prepared for him to wind up as a "spoiler" candidate that attracts a lot of heat and ire before the "real" candidate starts to run...
But the "real" candidate isn't going to get a penny from me if he's Rudy McRomney.
And my money will make sure that Paul gets that much more time and air to push the issues I care about, making all the Rudy McRomneys squirm a bit more.
And who knows? Stranger things have happened. Maybe he can win if he puts all in and wins over some critics. It's all about momentum.
That's really the key here. Why vote for a RINO when it gets you the same outcome as a BHO 2nd term. Romney in particular. It's obvious why the media is currently supporting him, he's all about Obama Care and the AWB. (in which case, I'd just as soon keep the current idiot)
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That's really the key here. Why vote for a RINO when it gets you the same outcome as a BHO 2nd term. Romney in particular. It's obvious why the media is currently supporting him, he's all about Obama Care and the AWB. (in which case, I'd just as soon keep the current idiot)
ditto, ron paul or bust!
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The electability of leaders is defined almost solely by the quality of the political professionals who market them.
And the person running can very easily make himself unelectable, no matter what spin the pros put on it.
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And the person running can very easily make himself unelectable, no matter what spin the pros put on it.
You said it partner!
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you familiar with how he set himself up? when asked about the rumors he told the reporter "look if you think i'm running round follow me then!" the reporter did just that to the house a couple blocks away where he was meeting her. game set and match
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He seems to be learning. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/us/politics/27paul.html?_r=4)
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He seems to be learning. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/us/politics/27paul.html?_r=4)
He puts password protection on all the news stories about him?..... =|