Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MicroBalrog on July 23, 2011, 06:13:37 AM
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/consumer/sns-rt-us-usa-security-avitre76j65c-20110720,0,3189285.story
After complaints from travelers the TSA earlier this year began testing at four airports software for the full-body scanners that instead uses a generic body outline and highlights the area where any anomaly is detected, eliminating the actual image of the passenger.
Micro Sez:
This seems to be far less invasive, and is basically a version of earlier metal detectors, except with a more advanced technology. I'll hazard a guess and say it is a step forward.
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Doesn't change the radiation issue, does it ???
Anyway, after having the scanner "see" anomalies that weren't there, I remain unhappy about the whole thing. :mad:
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Still opting out, and the agents that run these things deserve any side effects they get.
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Still opting out, and the agents that run these things deserve any side effects they get.
Is it possible for a tumor to get a tumor?
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Doesn't change the radiation issue, does it ???
Anyway, after having the scanner "see" anomalies that weren't there, I remain unhappy about the whole thing. :mad:
First trial run will apparently be on the non-ionizing radio-wave (MMW) versions - the ionizing-radiation scanners (backscatter x-ray) machines don't get this mod for a while, it seems.
Still opting out of any Nude-O-Scopes I might be faced with. :mad:
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Is it possible for a tumor to get a tumor?
One would hope. Karma would call for a particularly nasty cancer, say bone, for the ones that abuse the living hell out of their authority
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One would hope. Karma would call for a particularly nasty cancer, say bone, for the ones that abuse the living hell out of their authority
Testicle cancer would be fitting as well >:D.
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Testicle cancer would be fitting as well >:D.
I don't think that would be a worry for most TSA employees.....
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I don't think that would be a worry for most TSA employees.....
Nor spinal cancer.....
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So, brain tumors are out of the question as well?
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So, brain tumors are out of the question as well?
"In my youth," Father William replied to his son,
"I feared it might injure the brain;
But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
Why, I do it again and again."
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Agit-prop.
The software gets modified from nude-o-pics to this alternate view on the screen.
Doesn't change the fact that the MACHINE still uses nude-o-pics and a 4th amendment violation to render the alternate view.
And, the MACHINE still has the capacity to store the original nude-o-pics (and probably does, despite the natterings of John Pistole or Janet Napolitano).
This rendering is essentially just a mask put over the original data which is still one of the greatest betrayals our government has ever performed against The People it is obligated to protect and serve.
Edited by mods because I can't post without rude insults.
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But but but the tv at the airports I went through recently just said that they don't store pictures and are non-intrusive, and the lady going through it was smiling. [barf]
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I guess its somewhat better than having some fed looking at a naked picture of you, but I for one will not be satisfied until we get back to separation of airline security and state.
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i guess this will end the biggest draw for tsa employement!
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I guess its somewhat better than having some fed looking at a naked picture of you, but I for one will not be satisfied until we get back to separation of airline security and state.
Agreed.....a local radio-talk host, when talking about TSA, always asks "What kind of airport security do you want?" My answer is....the same security we had pre-9/11....private-run security (maybe with a state or federal certification as security guards), increased numbers of air marshals on planes, and armed pilots.....
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I wonder how many air marshals we could hire and train with the money all the scanners and gropers are costing?
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I wonder how many air marshals we could hire and train with the money all the scanners scammers and gropers are costing?
FIFY.....
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a friend went through security last week with a jackknife in her pocket they never questioned.
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a friend went through security last week with a jackknife in her pocket they never questioned.
They probably weren't looking at her pockets ;)
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i went through with a full size leatherman just post 911
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They probably weren't looking at her pockets ;)
Hot Ukrainian Coworker took a trip home to Jersey last week and instead of flying through the local airport, where we have no scanner, she drove to LAX. All the people in front of her got to go through the regular metal detector. She of course, got popped for the scanner. She refused. When asked if she wanted a private pat down, she loudly said, "No, I want it right here where everyone can see.". :)
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Hot Ukrainian Coworker took a trip home to Jersey last week and instead of flying through the local airport, where we have no scanner, she drove to LAX. All the people in front of her got to go through the regular metal detector. She of course, got popped for the scanner. She refused. When asked if she wanted a private pat down, she loudly said, "No, I want it right here where everyone can see.". :)
LAX is hell :mad:
Down a dark dingy underground hallway with blue-shirted fat black people yelling at you the whole way.
Then those same people blue-shirted fat black people get to feel you up whether or not you go through the nude-o-scope. They can always find an "anomally" ;/
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Hot Ukrainian Coworker took a trip home to Jersey last week and instead of flying through the local airport, where we have no scanner, she drove to LAX. All the people in front of her got to go through the regular metal detector. She of course, got popped for the scanner. She refused. When asked if she wanted a private pat down, she loudly said, "No, I want it right here where everyone can see.". :)
That's the way to do it.
Unfortunately, I'm given to understand that there is a procedure (secret, of course) wherein you are not given a choice - you *MUST* be searched in a private room. Theoretically, you're permitted a witness. Sometimes, you might even be able to HAVE one. :mad:
Proper response to that one, IMO: "I NEED AN ACTUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OVER HERE NOW, PLEASE!!!" Make sure they (TSA screeners) don't paw through your carryon without you being right there watching, as well - TSA is notably riddled with outright thieves. Experienced FlyerTalk members are more and more recommending that you put an actual lock on your carryon - and not a TSA-compliant one, a REAL lock. Make it a combo lock, so you don't need to leave the key in an open pocket where they can open your bag without you anyways. You can't secure your checked bags, but you CAN secure your carryon. Do so.
They're also now demanding that you say your name at the blacklight-ID-Checker's podium, too.
"..." (we DO still have the right to remain silent, don't we?)
"Oh, you can't read it off the ID and boarding pass in your hand? Thought you guys were all supposed to have a GED. Okay, sound it out with me..."
"Oh sure - that's pronounced 'John, Jacob, Jingleheimer-Schmidt'." (would work best if you've got one or more accomplice behind you in line, for the obvious follow-on responses)
Naturally, don't do any of these unless you're prepared for the "random" retaliatory groping you'll receive for being improperly respectful of authori-TAH!!! [barf] Probably helps if you literally don't care if you don't make your flight or even fly that day, and let them know that - it takes away a couple of the threats they'll use against you.
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"Oh, you can't read it off the ID and boarding pass in your hand? Thought you guys were all supposed to have a GED. Okay, sound it out with me..."
"Oh sure - that's pronounced 'John, Jacob, Jingleheimer-Schmidt'." (would work best if you've got one or more accomplice behind you in line, for the obvious follow-on responses)
That's my name too! :lol:
Probably helps if you literally don't care if you don't make your flight or even fly that day, and let them know that - it takes away a couple of the threats they'll use against you.
Flights to Vegas are cheap. Especially when bought to make a deliberate political statement.
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Flights to Vegas are cheap. Especially when bought to make a deliberate political statement.
Problem for me is that it is mostly the return home boarding that is so unpleasant. And if I have to go away, I really want to get home.
While I resent the intrusions on principle, the TSA folks in Billings are actually pretty nice. But you still have to take off your shoes, hat, jacket, etc and pull out your laptop :(
It was at LAX (or maybe Grand Rapids?) that somebody made a fuss about my neckerchief, but finally said okay. Do they make men take off their necktie now ??? :mad:
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Or go into the Raymond J. Johnson Jr. tirade (don't know if that bit works without a zoot suit and a cigar for props)
"You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny, or you can call me Sonny, or..."
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Me and the girlfriend just said no last week when we were on our way to Mexico from Newark.
So here we are in the priority security line. (she has the continental gold thing)
They were just having people go through the regular metal detector. The min we walk up the want us to go through the microwave.
She says no first (shockingly) then me. They have us walk around the metal detector. Why I don't know? Still could have prison hidden a knife.
So one pats here down after long stupid tsa rant. My turn, guy pats down my shoulders sides etc. He kneels down in front of me, this is where the fun begins. Note my back is to the other people in line.
I start rolling my head and twitching around like I'm enjoying something. My final laugh was to say loudly " why your down there" and "less teeth please"
Made a few other people laugh in line and stopped the pat down quickly it seemed.
On the way back from the cacun airport.
Fly threw metal detector, I don't even know if it was on. None of them ever beeped. They might only have been set to catch a metal baseball bat.
Passport check in Newark, stamp no questions.
Get luggage.
Customs at Newark. 3 people working total. Waved everyone through.
Small stock of Cuban cigars, check.