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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: T.O.M. on September 14, 2011, 12:14:16 PM
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/09/09/mother-accused-of-raping-baby-son.html
Bottom line: 24 year old woman engages in sex acts with her 10 month old chid, records it, and e-mailed it to her ex-boyfriend. His new girlfiend finds it and turns it over to authorities.
Apparently, she wanted to show the old boyfirned what he was missing...
I don't think Hell is hot enough for this one. :mad:
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I can understand people who steal, sell drugs, etc. . . maybe even understand muggers & killers. (understanding does NOT signify approval!!!)
But this . . . this is beyond the pale . . . how can anyone with a soul do this?
Some "people" should just be put down.
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Some "people" should just be put down.
Yeppers. Sign me up. I'll throw the switch on this one.
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What... the... *expletive deleted*ck?!
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What... the... *expletive deleted*?!
Pretty much this. [barf]
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Yea, saw this one on the local news - she lived about an hour North of us.
I guess that the vids she sent her BF in MI got more graphic over time - don't know how that would be possible.
She may beat Casey Anthony on the hometown hate scale, from what I am hearing.
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>Apparently, she wanted to show the old boyfirned what he was missing...<
Wait... what... HUH?????
This is so wrong on so many different levels, I don't even know where to begin.
There's no soul there, can't be
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You know....
I thought this would be some horrible case of neglect or something, like the starved vegen baby.
Now, I kinda wish it had been. =|
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This is so wrong on so many different levels, I don't even know where to begin.
It's not exactly the wrongness that really gets me on this one. It's the multiple levels, and a heavy dose of, "Where in the blankety-blank would a person get an idea like that?"
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Kudos to the GF for turning in her boyfriends ex, which of course begs the question-why isn't the ex boy friend in jail for possession of child porn?
Why didn't he immediately A: contact the authorities or B: run over there and remove his flesh & blood from creepy mom , even if he is like some kind of outlaw or something with that don't snitch code he could have at least broken her nose-who would convict after seeing the tapes?
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Why don't we still use the guillotine these days?..... :mad:
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Makes me wonder if boyfriend was known to like little kids and that's where the woman got the idea. I hope the cops charge him with possession of child porn.
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Maybe the boyfriend regularly deleted her emails without opening them - which is something many people advise as good policy in bad breakups. I can't imagine somebody not calling the cops for something like this... then again, I can't imagine someone doing this in the first place, so...
There's some *expletive deleted*ing sick people in this world.
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Maybe the boyfriend regularly deleted her emails without opening them
So how does girlfriend X+1 see the pics then?
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She might have looked into his email before he deleted them, or looked into the "trash" folder
Hell... he could have set a filter to send anything from his ex to the spam folder, and current GF was looking in there for something funny...
So... he might not actually be guilty of possession of kiddie porn. But I agree that there's something fishy there...
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She might have looked into his email before he deleted them, or looked into the "trash" folder
Hell... he could have set a filter to send anything from his ex to the spam folder, and current GF was looking in there for something funny...
So... he might not actually be guilty of possession of kiddie porn. But I agree that there's something fishy there...
I wonder if the law cares which folder it was in.
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O’Brien said Jessup emailed the videos to the boyfriend in Battle Creek, Mich., where his ex-girlfriend discovered them and contacted police.
So far the only one with any decency is the ex-girlfriend.
Now it may not be hard to fathom why she's an ex.
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Wait, help me here.
Comrade Jessup commits acts of unspeakable evil. Emails images to ex-boyfriend. Ex-boyfriend... for some reason... does not see the images (giving him benefit of doubt here). His other ex-girlfriend somehow gets access to his e-mail address, and then calls the police? Is this it?
I think some of my brain cells just died.
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I deal with a couple probation departments in my work. I hear what goes on, peripherally. This reminds me of that. Not the "sex (of whatever sort) with a baby" part, but rather the no heed to consequences, no social restraint part, with consequent drama.
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So far the only one with any decency is the ex-girlfriend.
Now it may not be hard to fathom why she's an ex.
Ah Ha! I think we have a winner here!!
His girlfriend upon discovery of the vids turns them over to police and becomes ex girlfriend. Dude has some splaining to do-who wants to bet the recent ex girlfriend who knew enough to contact LE has kids too?
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No bet, gunsmith.
If the previous ex was sending pics and or vids like that with a "see what you're missing" tag, I'm not gonna bet on whether or not the guy is a perp. Not odds I would want to play...
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I could have sworn that I read about a similar incident maybe a year ago.
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>Apparently, she wanted to show the old boyfirned what he was missing...<
Wait... what... HUH?????
This is so wrong on so many different levels, I don't even know where to begin.
There's no soul there, can't be
Makes me sick to be in the ranks of "mother" with the likes of her. That poor lil baby....
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Ever read Helter Skelter?
This reminds me of the Manson "family".
DD
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What pleasure does any person get from a child of that age?
Words cannot describe what should happen to the girlfriend and if the boyfriend knew what was going on and didn't report it he needs to have his ass beat.
Now the ex seems to be the only smart one in the bunch but then again what was she doing going through her ex's email?
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Words cannot describe what should happen to the girlfriend and if the boyfriend knew what was going on and didn't report it he needs to have his ass beat.
I recently debated the death penalty over drinks at a magistrate's conference. I said that the death penalty is greatly misapplied in America. The guy who robs the convenience store and shoots the clerk is less of a risk to re-offend than a serial child molestor who raped 10+ kids, yet the killer gets the death penalty while the child rapist sits in prison with the possibility of parole.
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I will again point out that every child molester is cured 5 seconds after the first shovelful of dirt hits their coffin.
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What pleasure does any person get from a child of that age?
Words cannot describe what should happen to the girlfriend and if the boyfriend knew what was going on and didn't report it he needs to have his ass beat.
Now the ex seems to be the only smart one in the bunch but then again what was she doing going through her ex's email?
Could have been something where he left his account open on her computer.
Hell, even i'd be tempted to take a peek.
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yup, plus if the guy is that dumb in the first place he deserves it.
He probably was looking at the vid while his ex gf was looking.
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I Think some of you misread the story. The molester sent pics to her boyfriend (implying current) while the ex-gf (implying past) found it
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What pleasure does any person get from a child of that age?
I can speculate, but won't publicly.
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I recently debated the death penalty over drinks at a magistrate's conference. I said that the death penalty is greatly misapplied in America. The guy who robs the convenience store and shoots the clerk is less of a risk to re-offend than a serial child molestor who raped 10+ kids, yet the killer gets the death penalty while the child rapist sits in prison with the possibility of parole.
Amen.
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I recently debated the death penalty over drinks at a magistrate's conference. I said that the death penalty is greatly misapplied in America. The guy who robs the convenience store and shoots the clerk is less of a risk to re-offend than a serial child molestor who raped 10+ kids, yet the killer gets the death penalty while the child rapist sits in prison with the possibility of parole.
Each took a life....only difference is that it took one victim longer to die....
Well put, Chris....
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Each took a life....only difference is that it took one victim longer to die....
Well put, Chris....
Ummm, no. I can only hope no victims of sexual crimes ever turn to you for help dealing with suicidal urges. "Yeah, your life was pretty much over when you were attacked." :mad:
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Balog, I don't think that's what Seeker meant.
Our former neighbor worked with sexually abused kids. She said it was like someone had killed the person, but left the still breathing body behind. She said "It was like someone had turned off the lights." The molester had taken and destroyed that which had been and left behind a empty shell, for the most part. The trauma and damage is horrific, to say the least.
So yeah, you prove in court he did it, and I'd have no problems making the last thing the molester so to be to kneel in front of me while I had my 1911.
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Balog, I don't think that's what Seeker meant.
Our former neighbor worked with sexually abused kids. She said it was like someone had killed the person, but left the still breathing body behind. She said "It was like someone had turned off the lights." The molester had taken and destroyed that which had been and left behind a empty shell, for the most part. The trauma and damage is horrific, to say the least.
So yeah, you prove in court he did it, and I'd have no problems making the last thing the molester so to be to kneel in front of me while I had my 1911.
And as you may have noticed I agreed with Chris too.
But my wife and I have a wonderful life, despite the bad things that have happened to us. To define our lives as being over, as though we are nothing more than what happened to us when we were children is incredibly insulting.
Sexual assault is horrific, and the scars never go away. The same could be said of the things I saw in Iraq, and watching my son die. But to say that my life is over because of the bad things in my past is just wrong. Children who have been molested need hope that it can get better, not to be told that their life is over.
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Balog, I don't think that's what Seeker meant.
No, it wasn't....a molestation victim is pretty much destroyed psychologically from the assault....it takes a lot of time, courage, and pain before that person can put back together what got demolished.....
If we ever do get to execute child molesters, I'd prefer that we use a cold oven....put the monster in and turn up the heat....slowly....over the course of an hour or two....
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We get it, you hate child molesters. Here's a cookie, we're all real proud of you. But guess what, so does pretty much everyone on earth who isn't one.
If you really want to do something, maybe try helping the victims instead of telling them their life is over and fostering revenge torture fantasies. If you really care that much about the subject do something positive about it instead of posting internet tough guy bs that ranges from unhelpful to actively harmful to anyone who reads it that is actually dealing with those issues.
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I Think some of you misread the story. The molester sent pics to her boyfriend (implying current) while the ex-gf (implying past) found it
I tried to tell 'em, Wacki. But they ain't listening.
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If you really want to do something, maybe try helping the victims instead of telling them their life is over and fostering revenge torture fantasies. If you really care that much about the subject do something positive about it instead of posting internet tough guy bs that ranges from unhelpful to actively harmful to anyone who reads it that is actually dealing with those issues.
:facepalm: ........just :facepalm: .......
.....and the worst part is: we actually agree on the damage done....I just advocate that destroying someone's life psychologically should carry the same penalty as destroying someone's life physically.....and, while a victim can rebuild their life after this kind of crime, they shouldn't have had to go through this in the first place.....BTW, "destroyed" doesn't mean it can't be rebuilt.....look at Germany post-WWII....
....and, considering that I work with students that have gone through this (and worse) on a daily basis, maybe you should measure twice before you start cutting....
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:facepalm: ........just :facepalm: .......
.....and the worst part is: we actually agree on the damage done....I just advocate that destroying someone's life psychologically should carry the same penalty as destroying someone's life physically.....and, while a victim can rebuild their life after this kind of crime, they shouldn't have had to go through this in the first place.....BTW, "destroyed" doesn't mean it can't be rebuilt.....look at Germany post-WWII....
....and, considering that I work with students that have gone through this (and worse) on a daily basis, maybe you should measure twice before you start cutting....
I agree with your premise, that child molesters deserve the death penalty.
But ideas have consequences, and the language we use has consequences too. Your language is thoughtless and harmful. And since you seem to missed it, I'm speaking from experience as someone who was repeatedly molested as a child, and who is married to someone who was repeatedly molested as a child. So get off your fscking high horse, and try listening to what I'm saying instead of getting defensive and ignoring my point.
Saying "Each took a life....only difference is that it took one victim longer to die...." is hurtful to victims. Talking about how you want to torture child molesters to death is not helpful to victims. This isn't about you. It's about the people you claim to be so worried about, and the hurt your thoughtless language can cause to them.
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A question I've always wondered is, "How much damage is done by the actual abuse, compared to how much is done by the reaction once the abuse is discovered?"
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Balog: Out of respect for your experience and for the "P" in APS, I'm withdrawing from this discussion. We're not going to meet on any common ground here; and I'm not participating in any unnecessary drama.
BTW, before you start complaining about others' high horses, you'd best check what's under your own saddle....
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A question I've always wondered is, "How much damage is done by the actual abuse, compared to how much is done by the reaction once the abuse is discovered?"
After working in the system for 16 years, and haviung spent time holding the hand of a child victim as I walked him into court, promising that I would stop the molestor if he tried to hurt the boy in court, I can say this without a doubt...the molestor does tremendous damage, in that he takes the child's innocence, he warps the child's sense of self-worth, privacy, and sexuality, and destroys the trust the child has for his or her parent/guardian/family. Reporting is traumatic, but in general is the first step in trying to repair the damage.
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As for the debate between Balog and Seeker, let me just say this...
In a murder, the victim's pain ended when the lights went out for him or her. The evictim's family suffers from the loss, of course. I won't say they get over it, because they don't. But it gets better.
In a child rape or molestation, the victim's pain continues. It may abate over time with treatment, counseling, and the support of a good, loving family and friends, but the scars remain. The victim's family suffers right along, often blaming themselves for what happened. The pain goes on for years. And, sometimes, even with the right counseling, a supportive family, and all, the victim doesn't really recover. I've gotten that call about a victim taking his life. Don't want to remember that (I do) and really don't want talk about that... It can get better. It takes a long time and a great effort. It can get worse.
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Don't know if Chris has had the same experience I have, but I've noticed that "gets worse" is usually based on everyone focusing on the perp, and doing nothing for the victim.
That's where I get tired of folks' reaction to peds: everyone wants to get creative on how to execute Chester. How about spending some of that time and energy helping the victim recover the control over their own life?
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You could say that about punishment for any crime. No need to get creative, just get it done simply and quickly and move on. IMO, cruel and unusual punishments serve no useful purpose. Revenge is not useful.
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DINGDINGDING! We have a winnah!
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Don't know if Chris has had the same experience I have, but I've noticed that "gets worse" is usually based on everyone focusing on the perp, and doing nothing for the victim.
My experience is 12 years as a criminal prosecutor, and almost 6 years on the bench.
And Mech, cruel and unusual punishment was what we "fantasized" about over beers and drinks after the cases were done to decompress and relieve stress. That, and range time, helped keep me sane.
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I imagine you are at the sharp end of that issue. Sometimes I wish the newspapers and such would publish a whole lot more details about what some of these criminals do. It would be useful if the general public knew a lot more about how many cases there are and what was done.
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I imagine you are at the sharp end of that issue. Sometimes I wish the newspapers and such would publish a whole lot more details about what some of these criminals do. It would be useful if the general public knew a lot more about how many cases there are and what was done.
No, you don't.
Seriously, you do not want to know the details.
Just to give you an idea of why not, the folks who came out to do a sexual abuse treatment training program for the 3-county area started off by putting a plastic trash can next to every student. Most folks initially wondered why. Before lunch we had 4 students who refused to come back in and finish the training. One "quit" on the spot (not just the training but their job) but after taking the rest of the day off and meeting with a few therapists was allowed to return with three days administrative leave to cover their time away. They transferred from casework to financial assistance and were really never any good for anything.
I can make you never go to sleep with the lights off again just by telling you the highlights of some cases. Don't make me come to your house and do it.
stay safe.
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moar fun with modern parenting:
The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents)
knew he always wanted to be a girl
Parents say it's better for Thomas to have sex change before he is adult
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html#ixzz1a7ppSO2Z
Tammy Lobel's hormones are being blocked by an implant on the inside of the 11-year-old's upper left arm, which must be replaced once a year.
Ms Moreno explained: 'In other words, she will stay as a pre-pubescent boy until she decides and we feel that she can make this decision about surgery.'
His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
By age 14 or 15 the device will need to be removed so that Tammy can go through puberty, Ms Moreno said.
If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should their son decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.
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All I have to say to that is WTF!?!
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Having had discussions with a man who is living as a woman and taking hormone blockers in preparation to getting surgery, I wondered when sex-changing children would start being a thing. He always talked about how it would have been so much easier if he had never gone through male puberty.
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moar fun with modern parenting:
The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents)
knew he always wanted to be a girl
Parents say it's better for Thomas to have sex change before he is adult
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html#ixzz1a7ppSO2Z
Tammy Lobel's hormones are being blocked by an implant on the inside of the 11-year-old's upper left arm, which must be replaced once a year.
Ms Moreno explained: 'In other words, she will stay as a pre-pubescent boy until she decides and we feel that she can make this decision about surgery.'
His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
By age 14 or 15 the device will need to be removed so that Tammy can go through puberty, Ms Moreno said.
If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should their son decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.
I would point out that the kid needs to be taken away from the "parents" and the latter be charged with child abuse, or similar. But that just seems obvious.
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moar fun with modern parenting:
The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents)
knew he always wanted to be a girl
Parents say it's better for Thomas to have sex change before he is adult
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html#ixzz1a7ppSO2Z
Tammy Lobel's hormones are being blocked by an implant on the inside of the 11-year-old's upper left arm, which must be replaced once a year.
Ms Moreno explained: 'In other words, she will stay as a pre-pubescent boy until she decides and we feel that she can make this decision about surgery.'
His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
By age 14 or 15 the device will need to be removed so that Tammy can go through puberty, Ms Moreno said.
If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should their son decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.
That's the kind of *expletive deleted*it that results when "modern" parents refuse to let their children develop a normal gender identity (like those aholes in that article we discussed a few months back who refuse to define their child, or let it be defined as a girl or boy)