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Title: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Balog on October 01, 2011, 04:58:08 AM
His socialism is showing... If Mitt gets the nod for the R's I'll be "wasting my vote" with a write in, and actively mocking the fools on the right who will be desperately trying to claim one socialist global warming cult member who wants to murder babies is better than the other.

 http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/29/8040219-irony-alert-romney-cites-wrong-brit-in-defense-of-flip-flops?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Jamisjockey on October 01, 2011, 07:55:18 AM
His socialism is showing... If Mittens gets the nod for the R's I'll be "wasting my vote" with a write in, and actively mocking the fools on the right who will be desperately trying to claim one socialist global warming cult member who wants to murder babies is better than the other.

 http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/29/8040219-irony-alert-romney-cites-wrong-brit-in-defense-of-flip-flops?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The field is looking worse and worse.  Christie had better stay the hell out of it.  Just what we need, another RINO on the list  [barf]
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: brimic on October 01, 2011, 08:35:28 AM
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His socialism is showing... If Mittens gets the nod for the R's I'll be "wasting my vote" with a write in, and actively mocking the fools on the right who will be desperately trying to claim one socialist global warming cult member who wants to murder babies is better than the other.

Werd.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: mtnbkr on October 01, 2011, 09:25:53 AM
I'm waiting for the Republican Party apparatchiks to show up and tell you how you're so very wrong and that work socialism-lite will set us free.

Chris
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2011, 09:42:39 AM
Did anyone bother to read the quotation?
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Fly320s on October 01, 2011, 10:16:41 AM
Did anyone bother to read the quotation?

Now, don't start using quotes and facts. We'll have none of that!   ;)
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: longeyes on October 01, 2011, 11:28:30 AM
Politics is about fantasy, not facts, especially the fantasies you can sell.

By the end of the debate season a lot of people will have realized that the audience was the real winner.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
Now, don't start using quotes and facts. We'll have none of that!   ;)

I know, right? It doesn't matter that the quip had nothing to do with politics or economics, or that Romney wasn't even trying to quote Keynes, does it?  :lol:
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Waitone on October 01, 2011, 11:56:17 AM
Notice something weird?  Top two horses are establishment.  Coming up on the outside is is a dark horse moving fast but still not in the hunt.  Meanwhile establishment puppeteers are still trying to throw new candidates into the mix to see what if anything will stick.  Why would that be?  Why keep flooding the zone when the top two positions are already dominated by their horses?   

Something is going on.  Something deep polling has spotted but not ID by public polls. 
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: TommyGunn on October 01, 2011, 12:45:32 PM
Did anyone bother to read the quotation?

I did.  Wasn't Winston Kaynes a genius?   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 01, 2011, 01:26:51 PM
In regards to the OP:  Yawn.

In regards to Romney:  Yawn.

In regards to this:

Notice something weird?  Top two horses are establishment.  Coming up on the outside is is a dark horse moving fast but still not in the hunt.  Meanwhile establishment puppeteers are still trying to throw new candidates into the mix to see what if anything will stick.  Why would that be?  Why keep flooding the zone when the top two positions are already dominated by their horses?   

Something is going on.  Something deep polling has spotted but not ID by public polls. 

Seems the same as the last several elections.


Your "deep polling" you mention is probably the fact that larger and larger percentages of the R base are waking up and noticing the shell game being played with them.  And they're getting tired of choosing the "empty cup" over and over again.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: grampster on October 01, 2011, 02:35:57 PM
I went from Who is Herman Cain; to Yeah, sure, Herman Cain ;/ ; to starting to think Cain may be the best American for the job of POTUS since Reagan.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: BReilley on October 01, 2011, 04:43:41 PM
In regards to the OP:  Yawn.

In regards to Romney:  Yawn.

In regards to this:

Seems the same as the last several elections.


Your "deep polling" you mention is probably the fact that larger and larger percentages of the R base are waking up and noticing the shell game being played with them.  And they're getting tired of choosing the "empty cup" over and over again.

Yes.  I will be concerned when he quotes Keynes on matters of economics.  The quote used actually makes sense and, as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I am awfully sick of hearing people complain about potential candidates' electability.  Emphasizing electability leads us to some milquetoast middle-of-the-roader like McCain - who may be just fine as a Senator where there are a few actual conservatives to balance out some of his foolishness, but who does not belong in the Presidency.  If we put forth someone with decent conservative or, gasp, Constitutional credentials, the public would be able to choose between a rainbow-farting liberal and a hopefully principled conservative, rather than a two rainbow-farters, one of whom just farts more musically.  America deserves to finally get a choice to vote "for" someone, rather than just to choose the least evil.

I went from Who is Herman Cain; to Yeah, sure, Herman Cain ;/ ; to starting to think Cain may be the best American for the job of POTUS since Reagan.

Clearly that's just your white guilt speaking ;)
I like Cain too.  Seems to have less baggage than the others, which is kind of a nice plus...
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2011, 05:47:23 PM
America deserves to finally get a choice to vote "for" someone, rather than just to choose the least evil.

I'm not sure we really deserve it, but it sure would be nice.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 01, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
Herman Cain-
Successful business man,
Actual executive experience
real life no-*expletive deleted*it rocket scientist.
Whats not to like?
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Balog on October 01, 2011, 06:51:57 PM
I know, right? It doesn't matter that the quip had nothing to do with politics or economics, or that Romney wasn't even trying to quote Keynes, does it?  :lol:

Does show what is on his mind, doesn't it? Like a devout Christian unthinkingly sprinkling Bible verses into his conversation.

In any case, my opposition to Romney is hardly based on this incident. Just an interesting view into the people who have influenced him.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 01, 2011, 07:45:18 PM
Does show what is on his mind, doesn't it?

It probably shows that someone mis-attributed the quotation to Churchill, which is who he thought he was quoting.


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In any case, my opposition to Romney is hardly based on this incident.

I know. Same here.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Scout26 on October 02, 2011, 11:19:24 AM
I'm with RKL. The more I look at Herman Cain, the more I like.  The guy knows his stuff and speaks it without a teleprompter.  The 9-9-9 plan I'm somewhat leery of, simply because as I pointed out to my dad, "Once the camel's nose is under the tent with a national sales tax, they can change that 9 to any number they want any time they want.  Remember that the Income Tax was only going to be on the Top 1%."

So I want to see/read more about it.   I'm not worried so much about his foreign policy experience or lack thereof, as long as he doesn't bow to any foreign dictator he can't do worse than what we have now.  If he surrounds himself with good *cough* John Bolton *cough* people to shore up that side of the house and if, (and we stand a good chance) of having R majorities (especially with lots of TEA party candidates winning), then maybe, just maybe we can start to turn the ship around.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: longeyes on October 02, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
What the Establishment is noticing is that more and more Americans want nothing to do with "the System" at all.  But they can't afford to allow any real maverick--sorry, John, you're not one--into the hunt.  It's only a matter of time before Republicans make clear their favorite candidate is "Nobody."  Or almost nobody.

How Cain got in there I'll never know.  I like him.  But he's too good for the process.  He could be a good President of the Tea Party States of America.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 02, 2011, 06:29:45 PM
He could be a good President of the Tea Party States of America.

Well, yeah. How else are we going to hide our covert racism?
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: BReilley on October 02, 2011, 08:47:31 PM
I'm not sure we really deserve it, but it sure would be nice.

Hah, good point ;) I was very tired when I wrote that.

Herman Cain-
Successful business man,
Actual executive experience
real life no-*expletive deleted* rocket scientist.
Whats not to like?

May I direct your attention to Ruth McClung, former House candidate from Arizona's 7th District, home of current dirtbag Raul Grijalva... just saying :I
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: dm1333 on October 02, 2011, 08:52:23 PM
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Did anyone bother to read the quotation?


Who cares if Romney is quoting Kanye?
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: MechAg94 on October 02, 2011, 09:50:45 PM
So the people that don't like Romney have another reason to dislike him.  Doesn't change my mind as I already didn't like him.

IMO, just about any of the major candidates save Romney are light years better than McCain, including Perry.  I really would like to see Herman Cain make a strong showing.  The more I hear of him, the more I like him.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 02, 2011, 11:25:57 PM
So the people that don't like Romney have another reason to dislike him. 

No, actually they don't. There is nothing about this quoting business that gives anybody any reason to dislike Romney. Or even Keynes, for that matter.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: stevelyn on October 04, 2011, 07:56:04 AM
When you consider that Romney is someone the leftists can live with, that should tell you everything you need to know about him and nothing he says can make him lose those spots.
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: longeyes on October 05, 2011, 01:06:33 PM
Don't worry, it's only socialism for the financial class: they lose, and we make it up for them. 
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: wacki on October 05, 2011, 10:36:14 PM
If someone can attribute the quote to keynes they get $10 here:

http://www.businessinsider.com/keynes-didnt-say-when-the-facts-change-i-change-my-mind-2011-9

WSJ thinks Keynes never said it.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/02/11/keynes-he-didnt-say-half-of-what-he-said-or-did-he/

MSNBC is stupid.

Anyone that's upset over Romney's quote is probably offended by the scientific method ... which is always changing theories when new facts come to light. 

Some people are just .....
Title: Re: Mitt Romney quotes Keynes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 05, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
MSNBC is stupid.

Anyone that's upset over Romney's quote is probably offended by the scientific method ... which is always changing theories when new facts come to light. 

Some people are just .....

I haven't seen anyone offended by the substance of what was said, just one group mocking him for the misattribution and (possible) Keynesian connection, and another group who thinks that quoting Keynes (even unwittingly or not at all) makes one a socialist.

And though I never thought I'd be defending MSNBC, they are actually careful about attributing the quotation to Keynes, and quote and cite that WSJ MarketBeat page to which you linked.