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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Fitz on October 09, 2011, 04:40:33 PM
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I want a subcompact XD. I can't afford one, but I would love one for carry. I have an XD45 that just seems too damned cumbersome.
I need to experiment with new methods of carry. When cold enough for a jacket, this thing is no problem.
Tough in shorts and a T shirt though. small of back works well, but I would feel better with a smaller gun.
Anyone here carry full frame .45s comfortably in hot weather? What are your solutions.
Current carry setup is a crossbreed holster, which i love
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I'm curious as well. The XD .45 compact is the only suitable carry gun I own, but I'm just a little guy (5'10", 150 lbs soaking wet) so carrying it would be difficult for me without outing myself. About the only suitable place I've found that isn't thunderwear would be the small of my back, IWB, but I better be wearing a loose fitting shirt or I'm printing.
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It's all about the holster. I carry a full size 1911 in shorts and a tank top. Comp-tac is my suggestion.
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^This. The Comp-Tac CTAC or Minotaur (or equivalent from a competitor) is the ticket. Wide loop/clip placement combined with a slim pancake profile.
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I carry a full size 1911 every day. I use a Serpa CQC (paddle) because 90+% of my carry is open carry. If I go somewhere where I know I need to conceal I use a Milt Sparks VM2. The real key to carrying a 1911, or any gun for that matter is a good belt. Minotaur makes some great carry belts.
bob
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Anyone have a Crossbreed holster?
I don't want to throw money at the problem IF it's something I'm doing wrong.
I am meeting some folks here tonight. I guess if i'm printing like I FEEL like I am, they'll let me know.
I seem to look fine in the mirror. Then I move around and i have this nagging suspicion that my gun is showing.
I should mention I am new to carrying concealed.
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I have a crossbreed, but it's for my kel-tec p3at..... :-*
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XD45
Is the bigger or smaller than a K-frame service revolver?
I carry a Security Six, or sometimes a S&W model 15, in a OWB holster at about 8:00 or 8:30 position (I'm left handed.) The gun butt is directly under my armpit, which helps hid it in the shirt material. I mostly wear polo or rugby shirts, or pocket T-shirts. Not baggy, but never tight, thin, or clingy.
I think a good belt is more important than a good holster.
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I have no idea. I've never owned a revolver.
Now, i await the floggings from the peanut gallery for never owning a revolver... :facepalm:
[popcorn]
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I have worn a military-style holster to work empty before, covered by a shirt tail but sticking out the bottom, just to see if anybody notices. They don't. BTW, I just started carrying this year. I don't carry every day because my employer doesn't allow it in the building (they don't allow it in the parking lot either, but MN has passed a law that they have to tolerate it in the parking lot) I do carry whenever I go to church, and to and from the shooting range. And sometimes everywhere I go on weekends. Still getting used to it.
One thing I haven't figured out yet is how to carry anything bigger than a mousegun when I have to wear a tucked in dress shirt and might need to take off my jacket. I just ordered one of these; hope it works: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360327874506
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I've carried a full size XD45, a 5"1911, and/or a Sig 2022 for years in FL summers under shorts and a T-shirt. A good holster, a good belt, and it works fine. I personally prefer leather holsters, and use Andrews Leather IWB holsters, but Comp-Tac works well. Don't neglect the belt. Most folks new to CC don't understand the difference a GUN belt makes.
Buy a good gun belt, but a good IWB holster. Then just wear them. A pistol is actually pretty dang easy to hide.
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Any belt recommendations that won't break the bank? I think the holster is good.
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Wilderness instructor belt (http://www.thewilderness.com/storepinnacle/index.php?p=product&id=2309&parent=142)
Either 5 stitch or polymer lined. I've had both and prefer the poly-lined but 5-stitch will work.
Pay attention to the sizing directions.
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I bought a "Last Chance" web belt from Cabelas (was on sale for $15 or $20). It's the first belt I've ever had that actually holds my pants up. ;/ I had to send the first on back though, because they were cut too way long and I had to cinch it up way past the velcro.
If your waist is the right size for it, a cow collar looks like a good strong belt. I saw some at Fleet Farm 2 weeks ago in the dairy supply aisle.
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Wilderness instructor belt (http://www.thewilderness.com/storepinnacle/index.php?p=product&id=2309&parent=142)
Either 5 stitch or polymer lined. I've had both and prefer the poly-lined but 5-stitch will work.
Pay attention to the sizing directions.
+1
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Nylon as presented. For leather, Dillon or The Beltman. More expensive, but they will last, so consider it an investment.
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I have the Crossbreed for my TRP. I like to wear short-sleeved fishing shirts in hot weather. They're pretty loose fitting and there is never a printing issue. It seems to work well with T-shirts if you don't wear a body hugging T-shirt, but I can tell you with a T-shirt, I have a bad habit of reaching back to ensure the 1911 is covered just because it sometimes feels like it's not (though it always is when I check).
I have the Comp-Tac Minotaur as well for my Combat Commander. Both are great concealment holsters, but I give a slight edge to the Crossbreed for comfort and body hugging ability.
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Is the bigger or smaller than a K-frame service revolver?
Laying my 4" Model 19 next to my XD40 Service, excepting the cylinder, the revolver is thinner, a hair taller (a half inch taller with my grip), and a lot (eyeball est. 2") longer.
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Any belt recommendations that won't break the bank? I think the holster is good.
Good luck in your search. Don't even bother going to the stuff-marts.
I have a 5.11 Stitched Leather Casual Belt - 1.5" (http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Accessories/Belts/Stitched-Leather-Casual-Belt-15.html). On clearance through an online outlet site. I suspect these were clearanced because the tan ones scuff very easily. The leather it's made of seems to be the same "leather shavings and glue product" as the stuff-mart belts, but there's a nice stiff internal stiffener layer. It'll do, if you need something that looks like leather.
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Fitz,
You already have an inadequate belt, right? Get some Perry suspenders to go with it.
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I have a belt from Executive Leather Gear (http://www.executiveleathergear.com/). They get them from an Amish belt maker (RW Leather) in Sugar Creek, Ohio. Won't break the bank and they look good. I have actually bought from this guy twice, once for me and once for my FIL. My FIL's was for his birthday (surprise) and my MIL got the size wrong. I had to send it back, I had to pay for the shipping back to the company but the picked up the shipping of the proper size belt, even though I offered to pay since the size mess up was our fault.
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Going back to the initial issue, printing is 99% in your head when you start to carry.
Just remember you are hyper-aware of the gun on you because it's new. No one else is looking at you that closely and even if they do most folks see "printing" just as something (phone, camera, PDA etc) under your shirt. Only you have any reason to think "OMGgun!".
Most folks don't see my gun (1911 or LW Commander, same-same concealment-wise) when I'm OC-ing OWB, never mind when I'm actually trying to conceal (as opposed to just having an untucked t-shirt over it IWB).
Good leather will make the gun feel more comfortable and more a part of you. Once you get over the newness, concerns about printing will wear off as you realize just how unaware folks are and that you and your gun aren't the center of their universe in the first place. =D
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In this one instance, I'm going to say, "It must be nice to be male."
Try concealing anything on a 5'3", 112 lb frame. Sure, it can be done, if I could find attractive shorts/skirts with a feminine cut and belt loops through which to put an ugly belt that weighs as much as I do - assuming I could find one small enough that it doesn't encircle my waist twice. Then there's the holster. IWB or OWB doesn't make a damn bit of difference unless I wear men's large t-shirts (not happening), and even then, when I bend over to pick anything up, there's an obvious pistol grip jutting out from my waist under the shirt - covered, but not exactly unidentifiable. I've tried wearing a loose fishing/guide shirt over spaghetti strap tops but same thing - the minute I have to bend even slightly forward, I'm printing badly. I've considered just saying it was a medical device if anyone asked, but ew.
I spent a lot of time looking at thigh holsters this summer. Under a sundress in just the right spot, inner thigh, small gun, it could conceivably work, but have you ever tried walking in heels with a gun between your thighs? (SEEKER, leave it alone!)
Winter's easier. Fits in a coat pocket or conceals easily enough under a bulky sweater. Or if I knew I was going to be outside all day and not removing my coat, a shoulder holster would work, except I haven't had the chance to practice drawing from one and wouldn't want to put it to the test without doing so.
I can't tell you how many hours I've spent in gun stores with guys holding holsters up to my waist, having me try on different styles, then laughing and telling me I'm SOL unless I want to gain about 40 pounds. I think not.
Solution? Sucks, but carry a purse. Uh, I mean manbag/murse, whatever y'all are calling it these days. Women have been doing it for ... well, however long women have been carrying purses. You can too. Or buy a smaller gun.
On the other hand, if any of our resident geniuses can figure out how to conceal a full size pistol on a small figure, without making me look like a butch truck driver, by all means, please share. I'll send you a bottle of your choice of adult beverage if your idea actually works.
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I'm 5'3" also. More meat, though. :laugh:
Male fashion is more forgiving to concealed carry, too.
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In this one instance, I'm going to say, "It must be nice to be male."
Well, duh. It's a man's world... ;)
Check out these two ladies youtube channels, they review holsters, guns and knives and discuss realistic carry options while not dressing like a slob, or Jamis, but I repeat myself. =D
http://www.youtube.com/user/faliaphotography?feature=mhw4
http://www.youtube.com/user/limalife
Particularly this video
http://www.youtube.com/user/faliaphotography?feature=mhw4
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Mrs Smith,
How about some thing like this? http://www.pistolwear.com/
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Mrs Smith,
While not really designed for full size pistols, I actually have a friend that has worn the Flash Bang (http://www.flashbangholster.com/Flashbang_Holster/Movie.html), and she said it was actually pretty good. She did mention that for comfort, ahem, "perkier" was better.
It's an option though.
Actually, while vastly newer then CC in general there is a growing market of designed for women gun gear. It's better then it was even 5 years ago.
My wife still rocks her Coronodo Leather purse.
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Well, duh. It's a man's world... ;)
Check out these two ladies youtube channels, they review holsters, guns and knives and discuss realistic carry options while not dressing like a slob, or Jamis, but I repeat myself. =D
http://www.youtube.com/user/faliaphotography?feature=mhw4
http://www.youtube.com/user/lima life
Particularly this video
http://www.youtube.com/user/faliaphotography?feature=mhw4
I prefer to call it casually casual.
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I felt better after spending several hours tonight while carrying. right hip, IWB, with a polo over it.
I went to meet two APS'ers, so maybe they can tell you if they noticed I was carrying.
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In this one instance, I'm going to say, "It must be nice to be male."
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Try concealing anything on a 5'3", 112 lb frame. Sure, it can be done, if I could find attractive shorts/skirts with a feminine cut and belt loops through which to put an ugly belt that weighs as much as I do - assuming I could find one small enough that it doesn't encircle my waist twice. Then there's the holster. IWB or OWB doesn't make a damn bit of difference unless I wear men's large t-shirts (not happening), and even then, when I bend over to pick anything up, there's an obvious pistol grip jutting out from my waist under the shirt - covered, but not exactly unidentifiable. I've tried wearing a loose fishing/guide shirt over spaghetti strap tops but same thing - the minute I have to bend even slightly forward, I'm printing badly. I've considered just saying it was a medical device if anyone asked, but ew.
I spent a lot of time looking at thigh holsters this summer. Under a sundress in just the right spot, inner thigh, small gun, it could conceivably work, but have you ever tried walking in heels with a gun between your thighs? (SEEKER, leave it alone!)
Winter's easier. Fits in a coat pocket or conceals easily enough under a bulky sweater. Or if I knew I was going to be outside all day and not removing my coat, a shoulder holster would work, except I haven't had the chance to practice drawing from one and wouldn't want to put it to the test without doing so.
I can't tell you how many hours I've spent in gun stores with guys holding holsters up to my waist, having me try on different styles, then laughing and telling me I'm SOL unless I want to gain about 40 pounds. I think not.
Solution? Sucks, but carry a purse. Uh, I mean manbag/murse, whatever y'all are calling it these days. Women have been doing it for ... well, however long women have been carrying purses. You can too. Or buy a smaller gun.
On the other hand, if any of our resident geniuses can figure out how to conceal a full size pistol on a small figure, without making me look like a butch truck driver, by all means, please share. I'll send you a bottle of your choice of adult beverage if your idea actually works.
You've perused Kathy Jackson's website (http://www.corneredcat.com)?
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Well, duh. It's a man's world... ;) No dear, we just let you think it is.
Check out these two ladies youtube channels, they review holsters, guns and knives and discuss realistic carry options while not dressing like a slob, or Jamis, but I repeat myself. =D
None of her pistols are full size. All of the holsters she has vid for would work with a compact or small caliber, but that's about it.
Mrs Smith,
How about some thing like this? http://www.pistolwear.com/
The guy's about 5'11, weighs about 180. Loose t-shirt. Putting anything bulkier than a belt buckle at the front of my waist under a shirt makes me look like I'm three months pregnant. Notice the woman in the still photo is facing forward, not sideways.
Dogmush - I've seen the bra holsters but no. Woman in vid has about a 36" chest. I ... don't. Coronado leather purse does rock though! Also found a leather guy in GA who was willing to work with me to design an attactive leather "purse" on a belt, similar to this:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1181.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx440%2Famythurman%2Fcarrypurse.jpg&hash=ec1e6320b8c7f08f0113c4a7e2fee4d9e79a1055)
But need to find a leather guy a bit closer now. And as an example, this woman is built about like me - where you gonna hide a full size pistol on her?
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where you gonna hide a full size pistol on her?
Misdirection.
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I use Galco's Miami Classic shoulder holster for my 1911.
where you gonna hide a full size pistol on her?
I suppose you could make a holster to put on the upper back, like a backpack. It would be a PITA to reholster, and might make you look like a hunchback or some such... but it could work, especially with an open-neck shirt/blouse like that.
The easiest solution is to wear a cape, which allows you to look like an Evil Overlord and carry a full-sized rifle at the same time.
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Eh... I think with a slightly longer blouse or t-shirt, and I do mean slightly, like one or two inches.. that model above could get away with a slim single stack auto, like a Kahr, Walther PPS or Kel-Tec PF9 carried appendix style at 11 or 1 o'clock. She even could with that blouse, but I'm giving a bit of extra for cover when bending. Although you aren't likely to bend backwards anyway. So bending forward would just cover more.
And to a degree, you just have to STOP WORRYING AND JUST CARRY. =) You have to take it to heart that people just aren't that observant, and if they are, what are they going to do? Only an even smaller subset of those folks would out you. Stick something like a pocketbook or a PDA pouch in your small framed feminine waist, make it as suspiciously gun-like as you can, and go out about your day on errands a dozen times, see what happens.
I'll lay $100 on it being "nothing".
Folks here in WI who won't get carry until the permits start showing up in December or January even, like myself, Monkeyleg (he's forever going on about his weight and working out now, but the dude's a rail... seriously... =D ) we've er... lived with more than just the fashion concern of an unsightly bump for awhile now. ;)
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Folks here in WI who won't get carry until the permits start showing up in December or January even, like myself, Monkeyleg (he's forever going on about his weight and working out now, but the dude's a rail... seriously... =D ) we've er... lived with more than just the fashion concern of an unsightly bump for awhile now. ;)
My MN permit is good there starting 11/01, right? =D
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Misdirection.
Ayup. Low cut blouse....nobody will be looking for your printing...
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My MN permit is good there starting 11/01, right? =D
Yeppers. And that's what blows. The WI DOJ dragging it's heels will mean that out of staters will be able to legally carry for a month or two before WI's own citizens can. :mad:
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Anyone here carry full frame .45s comfortably in hot weather? What are your solutions.
Colt Combat Commander. Almost full-size (not quite).
I carry OWB in a Horseshoe Leather pancake holster. In warm weather I either wear a tee shirt tucked in with an unbuttoned shirt as cover, not tucked in, or a light shirt tucked in and a lightweight vest.
If anyone wants to know why I wear a vest, I have a one-word answer: "Pockets."
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A lot of CC is just getting used to it. I've open carried a Glock 17 in the big city and I'm thinking that 90% of the people don't notice that. They will notice you constantly fidgeting with something under your shirt.
Coronado makes amazing things, I want to get a black Americana jacket to complement the brown bomber one I already have. Can't speak to the purse, I only carry small sequined rainbow purses. I'm sure Coronado jackets for ladies are nice as well.
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I carry a Colt 1991A1. Full size, with a magazine bumper to help positively seat during reloads. Sticks out from the bottom of the gun about 1/2". I carry it in an IWB holster at about 3:30 on my right side with about a 30 degree forward cant. And a double mag pouch at 9:00. Here's what I've learned - people aren't looking at your waist. And if they do see something under a shirt, they will assume it's a cell phone or something like that.... NOT a gun. I've walked past cops while carrying, and if anyone would notice, you'd think a cop would.
Honestly, printing is 99% in your head. Like I said, if anyone notices, most likely they'll assume it's a cell phone.
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I'm good with a Colt 1991, Colt LW Commander XSE, a CZ-75 or an XD9.
Pretty much any full sized service pistol.
Another plus eleventybillion to the CTAC/MTAC holsters from CompTac. I have 3 different shields for my MTAC and life is just dandy. Also have a CTAC for my SP-101 3". In some ways, that one is even MORE comfortable and concealable than the MTAC, despite the revolver's cylinder bulk.
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I have a couple of Crossbreed holsters and am very happy with them. I need to get a couple more. Mostly carry a CZ 75 P06 in 40 cal. Shorts (w/belt) and T-shirt are no problem.
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Well, at 6'3", 195 lbs, I carry a full size 1911 with ease. =D
Changed out the crappy grips since this picture was taken, but you get the idea.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3025/xbaafa183.jpg
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I bought a "Last Chance" web belt from Cabelas (was on sale for $15 or $20). It's the first belt I've ever had that actually holds my pants up. ;/ I had to send the first on back though, because they were cut too way long and I had to cinch it up way past the velcro.
If your waist is the right size for it, a cow collar looks like a good strong belt. I saw some at Fleet Farm 2 weeks ago in the dairy supply aisle.
i use a collar for my tool pouch. that thing will never wear out. i don't think it would fit through my belt loops however. mine is synthetic, perhaps they make some thinner in leather.
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A cow collar?! Someone talked! My dad has worn a cow collar as a belt everyday for probably 10 years. He doesn't cary a gun, but between him and all the other MacGyver stuff he carries that belt is tough! And we know that the ring on it will lift a 240lb man no problem, thanks to the wonders of air hoists.
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Whenever I leave Mordor, I open carry my Colt 1991 in a Milt Sparks OWB holster. Most people don't even notice. (But then again, I've been told I rock the "Retired Police Sergeant look"). If I'm going somewhere a little more fancy (http://mausersandmuffins.blogspot.com/2011/10/night-at-symphony-titans-return.html) then I CC a Ruger LCR IWB with a coat or jacket.
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Whilst looking for suitable companies in my job search, I came across a holster company that uses canvas/webbing. Several of their products could easily be converted to be of use to women so I emailed the company and asked if they'd considered a line of products specifically designed for women, around our builds, our wardrobes, and our needs. The CEO emailed me back this morning and we now have a dialogue going about it. He also asked if I'd like to be a proto-type tester (3 free holsters!) and I asked if he was in need of a marketing person. We'll see what happens, either way could be a win.
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Sweet! Best of luck.
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Whilst looking for suitable companies in my job search, I came across a holster company that uses canvas/webbing. Several of their products could easily be converted to be of use to women so I emailed the company and asked if they'd considered a line of products specifically designed for women, around our builds, our wardrobes, and our needs. The CEO emailed me back this morning and we now have a dialogue going about it. He also asked if I'd like to be a proto-type tester (3 free holsters!) and I asked if he was in need of a marketing person. We'll see what happens, either way could be a win.
High Five!!!!
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I carry a Colt 1991A1. Full size, with a magazine bumper to help positively seat during reloads. Sticks out from the bottom of the gun about 1/2". I carry it in an IWB holster at about 3:30 on my right side with about a 30 degree forward cant. And a double mag pouch at 9:00. Here's what I've learned - people aren't looking at your waist. And if they do see something under a shirt, they will assume it's a cell phone or something like that.... NOT a gun. I've walked past cops while carrying, and if anyone would notice, you'd think a cop would.
Honestly, printing is 99% in your head. Like I said, if anyone notices, most likely they'll assume it's a cell phone.
I carry a flat bottom mag in the gun and save the bumper mags for the reloads. I can still tap/rack/bang a flat bottom and if that doesn't fix the problem that mag is hitting the deck regardless.
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Whilst looking for suitable companies in my job search, I came across a holster company that uses canvas/webbing. Several of their products could easily be converted to be of use to women so I emailed the company and asked if they'd considered a line of products specifically designed for women, around our builds, our wardrobes, and our needs. The CEO emailed me back this morning and we now have a dialogue going about it. He also asked if I'd like to be a proto-type tester (3 free holsters!) and I asked if he was in need of a marketing person. We'll see what happens, either way could be a win.
Just like a dame, gets all excited and forgets to post the link. ;)
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None of her pistols are full size. All of the holsters she has vid for would work with a compact or small caliber, but that's about it.
Did you check out Limalife's videos? She does holster reviews for, and carries, 1911's and Glocks.
http://www.youtube.com/user/limalife#p/u/5/HBryB5MvNck
That said, small people just have a harder time with full-size guns. Size and weight mean you are pretty much stuck with the beltline and littler people don't have much belt to line. Which I suppose is why they make midsize and compacts in major calibers.
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I carry a flat bottom mag in the gun and save the bumper mags for the reloads. I can still tap/rack/bang a flat bottom and if that doesn't fix the problem that mag is hitting the deck regardless.
I normally do the same thing, but my CMC mag bit the dust recently :'(
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Pharma - Wilson Combat mags for the 1911 are my new best friend. The Chip McCormick mags are good, but they just didn't feed reliably in my 1991. The problem was that the feed angle wasn't consistent because of the design of the follower. The less compression on the mag spring, the steeper the angle, to the point that on the second to last round, I'd fairly consistently get stove pipes. the Wilson mags have a one piece polymer follower that doesn't change angle regardless of the spring force. So far a few thousand rounds through it without a single stove pipe.
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Pharma - Wilson Combat mags for the 1911 are my new best friend. The Chip McCormick mags are good, but they just didn't feed reliably in my 1991. The problem was that the feed angle wasn't consistent because of the design of the follower. The less compression on the mag spring, the steeper the angle, to the point that on the second to last round, I'd fairly consistently get stove pipes. the Wilson mags have a one piece polymer follower that doesn't change angle regardless of the spring force. So far a few thousand rounds through it without a single stove pipe.
Eh, I've got a couple of wilson ETMs.
They do work every single time, but sometimes I get a funny failure to eject when I hand cycle only.
Also, I remember reading from 1911tuner on thr that they bypass the controlled feed usually associated with 1911 feeding.
I much prefer the Mec-Gar AFC 8 round magazines. Those things have the strongest spring of any 1911 magazine I've encountered, and they are absolutely reliable.
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He also asked if I'd like to be a proto-type tester (3 free holsters!) and I asked if he was in need of a marketing person. We'll see what happens, either way could be a win.
Best of luck...and way to go making your own opportunities!.... :cool:
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Just like a dame, gets all excited and forgets to post the link. ;)
Ah! Guess I earned that one. http://www.crossfiregear.com/home.html (http://www.crossfiregear.com/home.html)
And yep, probably have to go with something smaller. But I really love my M&P.
Thanks for the good luck SAD, Pharma and Seeker. We'll see what happens.
Now y'all get your SOs to email the company and ask for holsters/accessories for women. Create demand! =D
J/k.
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Ah! Guess I earned that one. http://www.crossfiregear.com/home.html (http://www.crossfiregear.com/home.html)
And yep, probably have to go with something smaller. But I really love my M&P.
Thanks for the good luck SAD, Pharma and Seeker. We'll see what happens.
Now y'all get your SOs to email the company and ask for holsters/accessories for women. Create demand! =D
J/k.
If you're still looking...
http://www.kelloggcustomleather.com/MegMag.html