Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Jamie B on October 19, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
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http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/10/17/submachine-guns-pistols-stolen-from-lapd-swat-training-site/
The 21 MP-5 submachine guns and a dozen Colt 45 automatic pistols were taken from a locked container inside the Kennedy Building on San Pedro Street, police officials said.
The location — which formerly housed clothing firms before it was donated to the LAPD several years ago — is considered a secure site, Deputy Chief Michael Downing told the Associated Press.
Thank goodness that it was a secure facility!
More thanks that the weapons only able to fire 'training ammunition"! =D
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Possible inside job? A new way to implement Fast and Furious without all the paper trail? Sure would make it easier if they were "stolen". [tinfoil]
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i'm thinking simunitions
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Thinking the same thing. Those neat little paintball cartridges.
*ponder*
You know, I've never actually dealt with that stuff while doing any gunsmithing/armorer type stuff. Can anyone shed some light as to what modifications were done?
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Thinking the same thing. Those neat little paintball cartridges.
*ponder*
You know, I've never actually dealt with that stuff while doing any gunsmithing/armorer type stuff. Can anyone shed some light as to what modifications were done?
Not sure but willing to guess reduced weight springs to account for reduced powder charges are involved. Some folks say swapping barrels is also involved but that sort od fuggested a bottlenecked cartridge, no?
stay safe.
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Even if the stolen guns are Simunitions, they are easily restored to real gun status.
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I took a quick look at the Simunitions website.
For an MP5, it looks like a barrel sleeve and new locking piece is installed for the Sims, and the 1911 is a new slide/barrel/spring/mag/slide release.
1911 kit (http://simunition.com/en/products/conversion_kits/1-pistols/83-colt-1911-45-acp)
MP5 kit (http://simunition.com/en/products/conversion_kits/3-submachine-guns/39-hk-mp5-9mm)
install videos (http://simunition.com/en/products/conversion_kits/videos#mp5_sd) The MP5SD vid shows them swapping out a locking piece.
So, yes, pretty easy to swap back if you know how guns work, and have the parts they took off. Sure any of us here could go right to HKparts.com or robertrtg and grab a couple of MP5 parts and have that thing back up in short order, but the average guy on the street? not so much. On the 1911's it'd be cheaper to buy an RIA tac than buy and fit a new top end to a stolen frame.
IMHO, if this was a random street thug grabbing guns of opportunity, the odds are pretty high they'll load that MP5 with 9mm and blow it up on the barrel sleeve. If it was targeted at those guns by someone that knew they were unguarded sim guns, then they're probably already back in working order.
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I'm not surprised, but angry, that law enforcement agencies can have subguns stolen from warehouses, vehicles, hotel rooms, bathrooms, and not receive any punishment. If a Form 4 holder "lost" a subgun, he'd be in for a world of hurt.
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I'm not surprised, but angry, that law enforcement agencies can have subguns stolen from warehouses, vehicles, hotel rooms, bathrooms, and not receive any punishment. If a Form 4 holder "lost" a subgun, he'd be in for a world of hurt.
So you are saying that they need a Form 4 like the rest of us? Even if the CLEO would sign off on that one even if he never signs off on any others?
If that's what it takes, I'm all for it.
stay safe.
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What I'm saying is that the lackadaisical attitude they have with NFA guns is infuriating. I'm imagining that the punishment goes something like this:
ATF agent: "Um, boss, I lost some stuff."
Field office chief: "Really, Bates? What was it?"
ATF agent: "Two HK MP5's, eight Colt M4 select fire carbines, an M32 grenade launcher, and a case of flash bangs."
Office chief: "How did you lose something like that?"
Agent: "I left them on the front seat of my truck while I went for a beer at the Dew Drop Inn."
Office chief: "Dammnit, Bates, now I have about three hours of paperwork to fill out. I'm going to remember this at Christmastime. Now get out of here and go out and shut down more FFL dealers."