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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Waitone on October 31, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
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http://www.wyff4.com/news/29638219/detail.html
This from the sheriff of Spartanburg county, SC
Seems to me his position is that since the judicial system has failed the citizenry, the citizenry is justified in exercising lethal force. Granted, it is about three steps removed from the comments but it is there. Lots of frustration expressed over what passes for justice.
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I seem to recall a Georgia Sheriff and/or Prosecutor doing the same thing several months ago.
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Doubtless some of you saw this article on Drudge this afternoon:
http://www.wyff4.com/r/29638219/detail.html
Needless to say this is not the type of publicity we normally cultivate in South Carolina. But hell, we take whatever we can get.
From the sounds of it, the guy is gunning for Sheriff Joe's job.
Without knowledge of specifics, I can't say whether the deplorable status of law and order in Spartanburg County is the fault of law enforcement, but I doubt it. The onset of partial post-industrial poverty, organized crime of the Russian and Mexican flavors, and a mushrooming meth problem are contributing to the situation.
I have driven past the park in question countless times and it never seemed to me like a sketchy place, and at the end of the work day there are usually a lot of cars there. But then again, neither is it a place I would walk without a weapon.
Actually I never go anywhere without a weapon. But especially not Spartanburg.
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I had ancestors living in that area 200+ years ago ... =|
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Just saw I duped Waitone's thread...mods, feel free to do yer thing
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Wright said, "I'm tired of looking at victims saying, 'There's life after this' … I'm tired of saying, 'We're sorry, we can't keep them in jail.'"
Read more: http://www.wyff4.com/news/29638219/detail.html#ixzz1cPOOcJ1u
The article got me thinking a couple things:
1. They should make every lawyer in the DA's office walk through the park each evening.
2. Occasionally, I see people ask why we have 3 strikes and your out laws. I'm not sure it would apply to this guy, but it was an attempt to do something about these career criminals. 6 feet under is a good solution, but not always possible.
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We used to hang horse thieves and cattle thieves. Now our bleeding heart citizens picket the jailhouse because they object to capital punishment for a serial murderer of human beings.
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The Sheriff said he'd better stop before he got sanctioned. He deserves a standing ovation as far as I am concerned.
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I can't say whether the deplorable status of law and order in Spartanburg County is the fault of law enforcement, but I doubt it
LE hates it just as much as we do. Remember, they deal with the same people. Over. And over. And over. They can't stand that jail is a revolving door and the courts respect the rights of thugs more than law-abiding citizens.
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When I only saw the first half of the title, I thought it was going to be "Don't get mace; get even." =D
Without knowledge of specifics, I can't say whether the deplorable status of law and order in Spartanburg County is the fault of law enforcement, but I doubt it. The onset of partial post-industrial poverty, organized crime of the Russian and Mexican flavors, and a mushrooming meth problem are contributing to the situation.
I have driven past the park in question countless times and it never seemed to me like a sketchy place, and at the end of the work day there are usually a lot of cars there. But then again, neither is it a place I would walk without a weapon.
Most people I know don't look so hard for causes. They just blame teh black people. ;/
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Dupe topics merged yo.
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We used to hang horse thieves and cattle thieves. Now our bleeding heart citizens picket the jailhouse because they object to capital punishment for a serial murderer of human beings.
Back then, horses and cattle were about all of the chattel that someone could own.....
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When I only saw the first half of the title, I thought it was going to be "Don't get mace; get even." =D
I prefer "Don't waste your time with Mace, get a mace."
Go ahead, mug her, I dare you.
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I prefer "Don't waste your time with Mace, get a mace."
Go ahead, mug her, I dare you.
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She looks as if she doesn't know what to do with that.
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She looks as if she doesn't know what to do with that.
I bet she could figure something out pretty quickly.
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She looks as if she doesn't know what to do with that.
Swing it and make it connect with opponent. Is there anything more to it?
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When I only saw the first half of the title, I thought it was going to be "Don't get mace; get even." =D
Most people I know don't look so hard for causes. They just blame teh black people. ;/
I haven't actually looked at the demographics and crime stats for Spartanburg, but after interacting with the population I can assure you there is a lot of PWTs there too. Drugs, crime, and stupidity are alive and well on both sides of the race line.
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I bet she could figure something out pretty quickly.
Swing it and make it connect with opponent. Is there anything more to it?
She just has this look as, "Now what am I supposed to do with this?"
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She just has this look as, "Now what am I supposed to do with this?"
My problem is that you absolutely cannot see her dogtag.
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My problem is that you absolutely cannot see her dogtag.
That is a problem?
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She just has this look as, "Now what am I supposed to do with this?"
Only because she hasn't identified a target yet. I frequently get that happy-but-confused-at-the-lack-of-something-to-destroy look when holding big-bore revolvers.
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I love it anytime I hear a chief law enforcement type tell the people to protect themselves. Around these parts, we don't really have Sheriffs who have any power. We have Police Chiefs who are little more than political animals beholding to the politicians who appoint them. So if the mayor, selectman, etc is anti-gun, you can bet the Police Chief is.
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Hope that statement doesn't come back to haunt you in court.
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I prefer "Don't waste your time with Mace, get a mace."
Go ahead, mug her, I dare you.
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1)reminds me a bit of one of the grade school teachers at the school. not to be trilfed with.
2)I'd be afraid of the spikes getting stuck in something. But, if you've got the muscles to wrench it out, it'll do considerable damage.
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Hope that statement doesn't come back to haunt you in court.
As do it.
I also hope that if he chooses to reword it, your quoting it won't come back to haunt him
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History has changed.
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I changed it but still stand by it.
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My only gripe with what the good sheriff said is from this:
, "They make this right here where you can conceal a small pistol in them. They got one called The Judge that shoots a .45 or a .410 shell. You ain't got to be accurate; you just have to get close."
YGBSM
TC
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My only gripe with what the good sheriff said is from this:
Bad advice to recommend a Judge.
Bad advice to downplay the importance of accuracy, especially when you are completely responsible for each projectile.
But it's also the exact same "advice" you'll get by walking into any gunstore unless the guys behind the counter are switched on/halfway intelligent.
A quality handgun and a quality holster and belt are a proven CCW combo that you can rely on.
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Bad advice to recommend a Judge.
Bad advice to downplay the importance of accuracy, especially when you are completely responsible for each projectile.
But it's also the exact same "advice" you'll get by walking into any gunstore unless the guys behind the counter are switched on/halfway intelligent.
A quality handgun and a quality holster and belt are a proven CCW combo that you can rely on.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you made me think of something I want to share.
I wonder what the probability of an attacker being shot at and missed and continuing an attack is, vs. the probability that a person will choose not to carry, thinking that they would be unable to hit anyway.
We know from statistics that 95% of self defense cases do not involve the gun being fired. . . of the 5% remaining, how common would it be for an attacker to actually be fired upon, miss, and continue the attack (without being hit or losing his nerve from subsequent shots). I know from anecdotal evidence that many people, and a lot of them are women, choose not to carry because they don't think they can make shots. Take that woman and imagine her in a life-or-death situation. If you can put a gun in her purse by telling her that it's ok to miss, aren't you at least 95% right?
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but you made me think of something I want to share.
I wonder what the probability of an attacker being shot at and missed and continuing an attack is, vs. the probability that a person will choose not to carry, thinking that they would be unable to hit anyway.
We know from statistics that 95% of self defense cases do not involve the gun being fired. . . of the 5% remaining, how common would it be for an attacker to actually be fired upon, miss, and continue the attack (without being hit or losing his nerve from subsequent shots). I know from anecdotal evidence that many people, and a lot of them are women, choose not to carry because they don't think they can make shots. Take that woman and imagine her in a life-or-death situation. If you can put a gun in her purse by telling her that it's ok to miss, aren't you at least 95% right?
Depends. Drug addicts and drunks don't always make the smartest decisions. An aggressive biker on PCP in a parking lot who you just cut off might not be scared of being shot. Being missed might just piss him off more.
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Depends. Drug addicts and drunks don't always make the smartest decisions. An aggressive biker on PCP in a parking lot who you just cut off might not be scared of being shot. Being missed might just piss him off more.
True, but he was going to F you up anyway. Gun or not. I think Cacher's got a point. In the majority of defense situations (maybe even a vast majority) simply unloading a round will stop the attack. In the few that it won't, being unarmed is very unlikely to stop the attack. So given that dynamic, if a person chooses to carry a gun they don't think needs much training, when the alternative is nothing at all, is probably better off. Also if this is your SD plan, a big honking revolver with a lot of noise and muzzle flash is actually a pretty decent choice.
Note: I'm not endorsing that as a GREAT plan, and it is kinda hard on bystanders, but to paraphrase THR: a Judge in your purse is better then an STI in the gunstore.
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Depends. Drug addicts and drunks don't always make the smartest decisions. An aggressive biker on PCP in a parking lot who you just cut off might not be scared of being shot. Being missed might just piss him off more.
Okay, put it this way.
If *just displaying the gun or firing a warning shot* will stop 95% of violent assaults it seems to be that carrying is a good idea EVEN if you end up messing up the other 5%.
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I prefer to stop any attackers in their tracks.
And being that drugs are one of our biggest problems down here, likely that the attacker is hopped up on PCP or bath salts, so I very much want the capability to dump 17 rds of Speer Gold Dot 124grn +P in them and the abillity to reload quickly. The hardened criminals down here aren't afraid of weapons.
The three habits of highly successful CCWers: 1) Get licensed 2) Buy a quality gun and rig, and carry it constantly 3) train, train, train!
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Depends. Drug addicts and drunks don't always make the smartest decisions. An aggressive biker on PCP in a parking lot who you just cut off might not be scared of being shot. Being missed might just piss him off more.
Hence my 2" .357 with full power loads. Anywhere in the bright place is going to hurt. A lot. Trust me; it will teach you to keep your flashlight hand well behind the cylinder gap too.
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^^^^ I have done this very thing with my 2.25" SP-101s and 158 grain .357 JHPs. I was dazzled for a minute or so.
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Bad advice to recommend a Judge.
Bad advice to downplay the importance of accuracy, especially when you are completely responsible for each projectile.
But it's also the exact same "advice" you'll get by walking into any gunstore unless the guys behind the counter are switched on/halfway intelligent.
Maybe that's why he recommended a Judge. If you miss with a shotshell, you're not nearly as likely to maim an innocent bystander. (I'd rather be accurate with something effective)
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Hence my 2" .357 with full power loads. Anywhere in the bright place is going to hurt. A lot. Trust me; it will teach you to keep your flashlight hand well behind the cylinder gap too.
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I've shot .357 through my snub. Two cylinder's worth, out of 1500-ish rounds through it. It hurts from behind too.
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Hence my 2" .357 with full power loads. Anywhere in the bright place is going to hurt. A lot. Trust me; it will teach you to keep your flashlight hand well behind the cylinder gap too.
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Ouch ....if you shoot a BG at night your first shot better connect 'cause you'll be flash-blinded for a half hour after that!!! :O
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Maybe that's why he recommended a Judge. If you miss with a shotshell, you're not nearly as likely to maim an innocent bystander. (I'd rather be accurate with something effective)
I would hope that he was thinking it through, but in my experiences working in the Crim. Justice system, the higher up the chain you go, the less likely you will find a person with good firearms knowledge. there are exceptions, of course, but it has been my experience that by the time you get up the brass line to Sheriff, the guy (or gal) can shoot a handgun well enough to qualify with it, and that may be it.
That said, I still applaud the man for speaking from the heart instead of speaking in politically correct politico crap aimed more at keeping him elected than saying something useful. He'd probably get my vote for that alone.
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I've shot .357 through my snub. Two cylinder's worth, out of 1500-ish rounds through it. It hurts from behind too.
:laugh:
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The Sheriff is interviewing on Fox right now, making an excellent case for bearing arms.
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The Sheriff is interviewing on Fox right now, making an excellent case for bearing arms.
But it's on FOX, so it's all lies.