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Title: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on December 13, 2011, 11:06:16 AM: Iran.

Officially a terrorist state after the above statement, IMO.

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-army-declines-mps-hormuz-exercise-remarks-132115297.html

Not itching for another war, here. But, we've kicked down the door of A-stan style anarchist rogue terrorism (Al-Qaida). Iran is a different type of terrorism... it clothes itself in radical Islamist trappings, but it smells more to me of totalitarianism and Statism.
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: makattak on December 13, 2011, 11:42:53 AM: Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on December 13, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
it clothes itself in radical Islamist trappings, but it smells more to me of totalitarianism and Statism.

False dichotomy.
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: wmenorr67 on December 13, 2011, 11:52:10 AM: How quick would Tehran be leveled if that were to happen?
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: Boomhauer on December 13, 2011, 12:50:07 PM: Quote from: wmenorr67 on December 13, 2011, 11:52:10 AM
How quick would Tehran be leveled if that were to happen?

Do you want the "assume we have the balls" response or the "no balls found here" response?
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: wmenorr67 on December 13, 2011, 12:55:26 PM: Quote from: Avenger29 on December 13, 2011, 12:50:07 PM
Do you want the "assume we have the balls" response or the "no balls found here" response?

I wouldn't count out Israel in doing something. And if Iran were to be that stupid, I would assume, that the rest of the world would sit back and watch it happen. I really think that the Middle Eastern countries you be more than happy to see Iran wiped off the map or at least a regime change.
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: agricola on December 13, 2011, 12:56:30 PM: They would only do that if it looked like war was imminent - if they closed it before then it would seriously annoy the Chinese, it would put the Arab nations even more in the camp of the West and it would put a big hole in their own pocket. They probably wouldnt be able to close it after the war starts.
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: Lee on December 16, 2011, 05:33:33 PM: Iran is like a class clown...his relevance depends upon the attention paid to him.
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: seeker_two on December 16, 2011, 07:08:58 PM: Quote from: Avenger29 on December 13, 2011, 12:50:07 PM
Do you want the "assume we have the balls" response or the "no balls found here" response?

How about the "Obama's Second Term" response?.....also known as "Choice #2"....
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: birdman on December 16, 2011, 07:14:40 PM: Quote from: agricola on December 13, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
They would only do that if it looked like war was imminent - if they closed it before then it would seriously annoy the Chinese, it would put the Arab nations even more in the camp of the West and it would put a big hole in their own pocket. They probably wouldnt be able to close it after the war starts.

Disagree. If they wanted to it would require substantial effort and potential loss of life for us to truly re-open it. You think scud TEL hunts are hard? Try finding ASCM launchers in 30,000 square miles of defended territory. Do you people are going to risk tankers if there is a chance of a hit? And escorting them with aegis ships for defense is going to be tough given the short reaction times at those ranges.

And that is they wanted to do it kineticly...high strength cables suspended from submerged floats could be strung in multiple places and done so quickly...and would be a bitch to remove, especially under fire. Mot ULCC's are single screwed, and it doesn't take much to take one out.

Even more to the point, Iran has a few kilo class modern diesel electric subs...I wrote an analysis paper on how hard it would be to sanitize the gulf shipping lanes of those guys? After talking to a bunch of submariners and running all the detection numbers...it's damn hard given the acoustics of the area (and all the submerged crap preventing good MAD detections).
Title: Re: If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure
Post by: MicroBalrog on December 16, 2011, 09:04:51 PM: Not to mention that air-deployed sea mines can be dropped from literally any aircraft in existence.