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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Lee on December 26, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
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I read this series of books last year, and really enjoyed them. Amazingly enough, Netflix has all three of the Swedish (English subtitled) movies in their catalog (so I'm guessing no one watches them). I've watched the first two and plan on watching the third this week. They are semi- X rated in some parts, so I have to wait for the kids to go somewhere. Naturally, the movies lack much of the plot and character detail, but still, they are still a good watch. I think I'm in love with Noomi Rapace (Salander).
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We are giving Netflix another whirl because they said they have added closed captioning to more titles in the Instant Video series. We watched the first movie on Christmas Eve and the second movie last night. We will watch the third tonight. We both liked the books and thought that the Swedish movies were reasonably true to the books, although some stuff was left out. That woman can sure take a licking and keep on ticking.
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That woman can sure take a licking and keep on ticking.
Can give one too (I'll leave it at that ha ha). The movie didn't include much of here time with Teleborian, which was too bad, since he was the arch villain IMHO.
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I only have seen the first movie. The girl with the tattoo was a real hottie......I have the books but have not read them yet....chris3
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Haven't read the books. How is these versions of the movies going to differ from the ones starring Daniel Craig?
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Not sure. I'm guessing that some parts of the US version were pretty heavily edited though. I heard that they were struggling with maintaining the story line vs. getting an X rating - which is pretty much the kiss of death in the US....at mainstream theaters anyway. There is a lot of sex intermingled with violence -but that's generally the point of the stories.
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I just finished the first book earlier this afternoon. I have the next two sitting on the shelf ready to go. I haven't watched any of the movies, but I'm sure I will at some point.
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Violent sex? I just assumed these were chick books....no?
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Violent sex? I just assumed these were chick books....no?
Now JJ has a peaked interest.
And every pun you can think of was intended. =D
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Now JJ has a peaked interest.
And every pun you can think of was intended. =D
No *expletive deleted*it - I wonder if that was his antenna that popped up? =D
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Violent sex? I just assumed these were chick books....no?
No. Murder/mystery/action/adventure.
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Short wave? :laugh:
These aren't "chick books"....not in my opinion anyway.
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No. Murder/mystery/action/adventure.
With violent sex? Win.
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With violent sex? Win.
And a little more peaked. >:D
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Not sure. I'm guessing that some parts of the US version were pretty heavily edited though. I heard that they were struggling with maintaining the story line vs. getting an X rating - which is pretty much the kiss of death in the US....at mainstream theaters anyway. There is a lot of sex intermingled with violence -but that's generally the point of the stories.
What kind of sex is going on the books, that couldn't be depicted in an R rated film? ???
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What kind of sex is going on the books, that couldn't be depicted in an R rated film? ???
Sex-positive sex?
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"What kind of sex is going on the books, that couldn't be depicted in an R rated film?"
Probably shouldn't go into detail here. S&M, Incest, rape, torture, mutilation, murder, lesbianism, etc.
Here's a good teaser clip....kinda gives you the gist of the series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9G4GiUxJek
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I've resisted these books so far, but I've heard family members this weekend talk about them, and they have close to the same reading tastes as I do...
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"What kind of sex is going on the books, that couldn't be depicted in an R rated film?"
Probably shouldn't go into detail here. S&M, Incest, rape, torture, mutilation, murder, lesbianism, etc.
Here's a good teaser clip....kinda gives you the gist of the series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9G4GiUxJek
I'm pretty sure we could think of R-rated movies containing all of those things. Is there really anything an R-rated movie hasn't already done, other than showing us the, ahem, moving parts? =|
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True...not much left. I guess it's a matter of degree.
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So I actually read up on the plot of this book, on Wikipedia, and Cacher was kind enough to PM me some more sordid details. (Thanks, I guess. =| ) It's still hard to see what taboos a film adaptation might break that aren't routinely broken by R-rated films. Male frontal nudity has gone mainstream (Observe and Report, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and The Watchers, from what I'm told), and rape (or attempted rape) has been shown from The Outlaw Josey Wales to Pulp Fiction to the Shawshank Redemption. Directors and actors know how to get the plot across without making a full-fledged porn film. They leave things off-screen and use facial expressions, sound effects, screams, etc.
I don't really have a dog in this fight; I'm just incredulous at the suggestion that film-makers might be struggling to pull this thing back from an X rating (though I guess that would be NC 17 rating now). It seems more like the choice is between an R and what people sometimes call "hard R."
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Now JJ has a peaked interest.
The word is "piqued", unless you're talking about peaking in an orgasm. Well, maybe you are. ;)
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The word is "piqued", unless you're talking about peaking in an orgasm. Well, maybe you are. ;)
If you take not of the line below.
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Just walked out of the theater. Man that movie was awesome. I really wasn't sure what to expect but this movie just blew me away. It surprisingly had some humor. Before seeing the movie I too was wondering how they could be struggling with the rating, after seeing it I can see how.
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So I actually read up on the plot of this book, on Wikipedia, and Cacher was kind enough to PM me some more sordid details. (Thanks, I guess. ) It's still hard to see what taboos a film adaptation might break that aren't routinely broken by R-rated films. Male frontal nudity has gone mainstream (Observe and Report, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and The Watchers, from what I'm told), and rape (or attempted rape) has been shown from The Outlaw Josey Wales to Pulp Fiction to the Shawshank Redemption. Directors and actors know how to get the plot across without making a full-fledged porn film. They leave things off-screen and use facial expressions, sound effects, screams, etc.
I don't really have a dog in this fight; I'm just incredulous at the suggestion that film-makers might be struggling to pull this thing back from an X rating (though I guess that would be NC 17 rating now). It seems more like the choice is between an R and what people sometimes call "hard R."
The movie ratings system is quite subjective, capricious, and possibly manipulated by the big studios. Check out the movie "This film is not yet rated" for some insight into the odd workings of the MPAA ratings board. One of the most striking points made in the films is how big studios tend to get away with more than those from small studios. Additionally, the ratings board is very poor at giving guidance as to what would garner an R vs. NC-17 rating. This has a direct affect on a production with tight budgets, as there is additional cost in re-editing or doing alternate takes of scenes that may or may not be "over the line" into NC-17 territory.
Roger Ebert's take on "This Movie is not Yet Rated" sums it up pretty well:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060126/FILMFESTIVALS05/60126002/-1/FILMFESTIVALS
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Probably deserving of another thread (and likely at a different site) but it's interesting that movie ratings mirror other attitudes/laws in most parts of the US. Sensual massage resulting in "release" is a crime, while S&M is legal.
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http://takimag.com/article/fight_the_imaginary_power/print#axzz1iBYp4ziS
Steve Sailer pulls no punches in his review.
I was at the local art-house cinema in 2010 when the third thriller debuted, and it looked like Twilight for the elderly. The lobby was jammed with shuffling octogenarians. The restroom lines were moving so slowly that I fear many Larsson fans may have missed their favorite sexual-torture and sadistic-revenge scenes.
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Despite Fincher’s expertise, his Girl with the Dragon Tattoo winds up being The Da Vinci Code of the 2010s, only with more anal rape.
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http://takimag.com/article/fight_the_imaginary_power/print#axzz1iBYp4ziS
Steve Sailer pulls no punches in his review.
Wow. Reading the review makes me lose all interest.
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Yeah, I refuse to contribute to his estate by watching his paranoid, rape-obessessed leftist drivel. The only way I'd read the books would be if I stole them.
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Just walked out of the theater. Man that movie was awesome. I really wasn't sure what to expect but this movie just blew me away. It surprisingly had some humor. Before seeing the movie I too was wondering how they could be struggling with the rating, after seeing it I can see how.
I'll trust this one more.
I've seen all three of the Swedish movies, and they were awesome.
I knew the political aspect would creep into this eventually.
I's suggest this as an alternative. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MMVaRpYOds
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I read and thoroughly enjoyed the three books, haven't seen any of the films but intend to. As I understand it, the Swedish versions are not theatrical releases, but made for television. Given my one Swedish girlfriend's proclivities :O, I will not be surprised if Swedish TV productions are more faithful to the books, and raunchier, than Hollywood's efforts.
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Saw the Americanized movie....pretty good mystery....but the rape-&-torture scenes were pretty intense. Plus, the romantic interest b/t Craig & Mara didn't seem to flow with the rest of the story....
I did like Rooney Mara as Lisabeth....she looked more the part than Noomi Rapace....who, BTW is in the new Sherlock Holmes movie.....
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0636426/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0636426/)
....oh, as a social-work type myself, I was ready to slit the rapist-caseworker open myself....I hate when people give my career a bad name.... :mad:
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Think Trinity in The Matrix, but with even more attitude. Lisbeth has genius computer-hacking skills, a black wardrobe and a black motorcycle, hand-to-hand combat techniques that let her deal out cruel vengeance upon men twice her 100 pounds, piercings, a mohawk, and lesbianism (until she’s exposed to the journalist hero’s recessive charm).
Funny, I don't remember any hand-to-hand combat. That whole review was just ;/ Only reinforces my hatred of movie critics.
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Are there any worthwhile novels written since, say, 1970?
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Having now seen the first movie, read the first book and now part way into the second, I'm enjoying them. Yes, the author's political leanings come through, but then so do Tom Clancy's and I enjoyed the a lot of his books before he went off the deep end. There are a few authors I've stopped reading because they let their political views get in the way of telling a good story, but as long as they keep telling a good story I'll give them a lot of leeway on the views even if I don't share them. I'll finish reading the trilogy and probably watch the next two movies as well.
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FWIW, Rush Limbaugh came out as a Lisbeth Salander fan some months back.
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Amazon Prime has all three of the Swedish flicks.
Saw two of them the other weekend while doing laundry that had piled up. Ran out of laundry before I got to number three.
I think the Steve Sailer review I linked was overly generous, unless the English version is much better than the Swedish version. I'd sum it up as a middle-aged lefty writer's pathetic personal fantasy.
Also, somebody mail the female lead a razor.
Only two interesting things about both movies occurred in the second movie:
1. Size & strength matters. The kick-boxing champ girlfriend gets beat down by the big farm boy who lacked talent, but was big as a side of beef, with brawn to match. Like I have seen (male vs male, though) many times. There is a reason competitive contact martial arts have weight classes with small ranges.(1)
2. Running away from an enemy at close range who has a firearm gets you shot. Repeatedly.
(1) For instance, boxing:
Weight limit Continuous WBA
(lb / kg) since
unlimited 1885 Heavyweight
200 / 90.7 1980[t 1] Cruiserweight
175 / 79.4 1913 Light heavyweight
168 / 76.2 1984 Super middleweight
160 / 72.6 1884 Middleweight
154 / 69.9 1962 Super welterweight
147 / 66.7 1914 Welterweight
140 / 63.5 1959 Super lightweight
135 / 61.2 1886 Lightweight
130 / 59.0 1959 Super featherweight
126 / 57.2 1889 Featherweight
122 / 55.3 1976 Super bantamweight
118 / 53.5 1894 Bantamweight
115 / 52.2 1980 Super flyweight
112 / 50.8 1911 Flyweight
108 / 49.0 1975 Light flyweight
105 / 47.6 1987 Minimumweight
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So we just watched the American version courtesy of Redbox. We both liked the Swedish version better, and felt it was more true to the book.
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Twilight makes Dragon Tattoo look like fail. Team Jacob!!!!!!!
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I mean ....like really?
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There is a lot of sex intermingled with violence -but that's generally the point of the stories.
As opposed to violence intermingled with sex ... =|
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As opposed to violence intermingled with sex ... =|
That would be a James Bond movie....or life with my third girlfriend....