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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jamisjockey on January 06, 2012, 08:38:46 AM
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Despite all the backwards progress I think we're making as a society, every once in a while, something like this happens
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/03/collier-judge-upholds-stand-your-ground-defense-ca/?partner=popular
So the attacker is actually subjected to direct and fatal consequences for his attack.....IMHO too often we as a society just accept "boys will be boys" and leave this sort of behavior in some kind of mythical "juvenile" category.
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Saw this . . . some of the comments posted at the linked site just make me want to go: :facepalm: [barf]
(Basically, a number of posters think the kid should have accepted the beat-down out of concern for his assailant. )
I posted a response at the site . . . inspired by some wisdom I've gleaned from this and other gun forums:
I'm appalled at the number of posters who think the kid should have accepted a beat-down from his larger, stronger, older tormenter; there's something basically wrong with people who support and defend bullies, and are outraged at the temerity of a bully's target when he refuses to be a victim.
It's been said that violence begets violence - I've always thought that it's a good thing when the person who INITIATES the violence gets a whole lot more in return than he's comfortable with - which is the case here. The thug's "easy mark" turned out to be a lot more dangerous than he was.
Bravo.
I'll just classify this as a catastrophic failure of the victim selection process.
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Dylan Nuno’s family and friends have defended the teen, saying repeatedly he was not a bully and in fact transferred from Lely High School to Palmetto Ridge to escape taunting himself.
I thought this statement was amusing. I appears that witness testimony clearly shows he was a bully and had targeted this particular victim repeatedly.
I find myself very happy with this ruling and that no one seems to be after the kid for possessing a knife. You don't have to be adult to defend yourself. You also don't have to be an adult to receive ultimate consequences for acting like a thug.
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Dylan was a bully. His family must have known that. Sooner or later it would have caught up with him. Jorge did society a favor by ending the bullying early.
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Beautiful. I approve.
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We have come down hard on our kids when they went along with cliquey tormenting of some other child to the point they know it is the Wrong Answer and there will be Hell to pay if word of it reaches our ears. Has only happened once ("I don't talk or play with XYZ because nobody else does.") for sure and have had intimations of it a few other times.
The mirror image of that is that we tell them they have leave to defend themselves if they are tormented. Sure, try to avoid it, try to inform teachers/adults, but if it comes down to it and those are not effective, light up the sawed-off sociopath.
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Good riddance.
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^ Hey, I was going to say that...
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Bet no one *expletive deleted*s with him again.
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Play adult games? Win adult prizes.
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I was amused by the attempts to claim the bully that got killed was the "true victim".
Even more amused by one comment that claimed the kid that defended himself was a "girl" for killing the bully instead of a traditional fight.
My view? If you choose to attack someone without acceptable provocation, you must accept the consequences. Dying is a legally acceptable member of the set of available consequences. For once, I'd like to see the bully's family say "Yep. My boy was a complete idiot who bit off more than he could chew."
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I was amused by the attempts to claim the bully that got killed was the "true victim".
Even more amused by one comment that claimed the kid that defended himself was a "girl" for killing the bully instead of a traditional fight.
WTF.
"Last time someone F-ed with me? *I stabbed him to death in public.*"
Does that sound girly to anybody?
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WTF.
"Last time someone F-ed with me? *I stabbed him to death in public.*"
Does that sound girly to anybody?
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Yes?
Strings' wife, Spoon, got her nickname from slicing a dude's throat with a Dairy Queen spoon.
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But, but, he was turning his life around..........
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Strings' wife, Spoon, got her nickname from slicing a dude's throat with a Dairy Queen spoon.
Were they all out of sporks?
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Were they all out of sporks?
No, that was me. Dude shook me awake while I fell asleep eating an MRE with a spork in my hand. Didn't mean to stab the dude. Just kinda swung at him.
Dude got his revenge, though. At a bar, weeks later, he drunkenly walks up to me and the lady I was chatting with. "DUDE, this guy stabbed me in the neck with a SPORK! Check out the scar!"
Yea, she was gone before I had time to blink.
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^cock blocked. LOL^
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No, that was me. Dude shook me awake while I fell asleep eating an MRE with a spork in my hand. Didn't mean to stab the dude. Just kinda swung at him.
Dude got his revenge, though. At a bar, weeks later, he drunkenly walks up to me and the lady I was chatting with. "DUDE, this guy stabbed me in the neck with a SPORK! Check out the scar!"
Yea, she was gone before I had time to blink.
if she scared that easy she wouldn't have lasted long anyway
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Would it be too crass for us to take a collection and send the kid an engraved HI kuhkri?..... :cool:
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Would it be too crass for us to take a collection and send the kid an engraved HI kuhkri?..... :cool:
The kid in the OP, or Rev? :laugh: I still like Rev's idea of extracting the iron out of blood donated by Marines and forging it into a KA-BAR or other appropriate implement of doom. >:D
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Would it be too crass for us to take a collection and send the kid an engraved HI kuhkri?..... :cool:
I'd chip in a C note for that.
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>Strings' wife, Spoon, got her nickname from slicing a dude's throat with a Dairy Queen spoon.<
You say that like it's a bad thing...
>But, but, he was turning his life around..........<
No, he was being a dweeb, and she gave him what he had coming
>Were they all out of sporks?<
Everyone always wants to bring up the sporks
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Everyone always wants to bring up the sporks
Was it a legitimate conflict of interest? ;)
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Play adult games? Win adult prizes.
Amen.
Lots of people have been beat to death using only one's hands. Hell, I found a case in Texas where a woman was pushed in front of a bus in a fight, killing her. IMHO, unprovoked physical attacks are lethal force.
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If you are violently attacked by a physically larger and superior person, they can easily injure or kill you even by accident: there are many bodily organs that are more vulnerable than is commonly thought.
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http://media.naplesnews.com/media/static/20111230150108.pdf interesting reading there. Anyone who believes Jorge Saavedra had no right to defend himself is morally defective.
Amen.
Lots of people have been beat to death using only one's hands. Hell, I found a case in Texas where a woman was pushed in front of a bus in a fight, killing her. IMHO, unprovoked physical attacks are lethal force.
Lots of people have been killed by single punches as well. Being punched in the back of the head, where there's a couple of incredibly sensitive spots? Kill the *expletive deleted*ers doing it.
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Was it a legitimate conflict of interest? ;)
Everybody's makin' a fuss.
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If you are violently attacked by a physically larger and superior person, they can easily injure or kill you even by accident: there are many bodily organs that are more vulnerable than is commonly thought.
As a former paramedic, let me say amen to this. Or perhaps even worse, leave you with a significant permanent physical or neurological disability. That bit in the movies about people shrugging off being hit over the head with a whiskey bottle? Not so much in real life.
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Maybe the bus driver should have some blame in this for not stopping the BS that was taking place on their bus.
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Maybe the bus driver should have some blame in this for not stopping the BS that was taking place on their bus.
I'd hate to blame him without knowing more about the rules he works under. Also, where did the fight take place? Was it right outside the bus or down the street a bit after the bus left?
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I'd hate to blame him without knowing more about the rules he works under. Also, where did the fight take place? Was it right outside the bus or down the street a bit after the bus left?
I'm talking about the throwing of items and *expletive deleted*it that happened on the bus. If the kids had been hammered in the past over the bullying that was taking place on the bus maybe there wouldn't be a dead kid.
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As a former paramedic, let me say amen to this. Or perhaps even worse, leave you with a significant permanent physical or neurological disability. That bit in the movies about people shrugging off being hit over the head with a whiskey bottle? Not so much in real life.
I always love the way every martial arts movie must include some guy taking a hard kick to the side of the knee and not just remaining on his feet, but being able to put weight on that leg afterward.
Ever since I dislocated my knee, that has become my favorite target for ending a fight. No matter how tough you are, you can't chase me while your leg is bent the wrong way, and you'll have years of pain to remind you not to piss me off again.
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Despite all the backwards progress I think we're making as a society, every once in a while, something like this happens
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/03/collier-judge-upholds-stand-your-ground-defense-ca/?partner=popular
So the attacker is actually subjected to direct and fatal consequences for his attack.....IMHO too often we as a society just accept "boys will be boys" and leave this sort of behavior in some kind of mythical "juvenile" category.
Got around to reading the PDF. Damn. Wow. So much to say. I could have been that kid, the defendant, in different circumstances.
The second to last paragraph ("IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED AND ADJUDICATED...") is a win.
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Got around to reading the PDF. Damn. Wow. So much to say. I could have been that kid, the defendant, in different circumstances.
The second to last paragraph ("IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED AND ADJUDICATED...") is a win.
Me too. I stabbed a guy in the thigh with a pencil in HS. I was a new kid and sophmore and trying my ass off to make friends. I was talking to a girl, who was friends with his GF. He decided I was after his GF and literally walked up and busted my nose. Guy easily had 75 pounds and 6" on me.
After he got unsuspended, I found him at lunch and stuck the pencil about 3" into his thigh. Told him if he ever touched me again the next pencil went in his throat.
I also didn't get effed with at all after that. :lol:
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i knew there was a reason i liked you
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Maybe the bus driver should have some blame in this for not stopping the BS that was taking place on their bus.
I drove school bus 30+ years ago and even then all we could do was write a report. =(
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i knew there was a reason i liked you
>:D
Small-ish school, with heavy emphasis on athletics. Football coaches also coached track, and I went on the Cross country team. Turned out that I was pretty fast in those days. We trained a lot with the football players, and quite often in the winter and spring the cross country team ran a lot of the football team's workouts. I got to be friends with pretty much the entire offensive line. If the pencil incident didn't place me off limits to bullies, hanging out with 1,000 pounds of offensive line at lunch sure did.
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you'd have had fun at my high school
i stopped carrying a knife just in time to get a real good stomping
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Me too. I stabbed a guy in the thigh with a pencil in HS. I was a new kid and sophmore and trying my ass off to make friends. I was talking to a girl, who was friends with his GF. He decided I was after his GF and literally walked up and busted my nose. Guy easily had 75 pounds and 6" on me.
After he got unsuspended, I found him at lunch and stuck the pencil about 3" into his thigh. Told him if he ever touched me again the next pencil went in his throat.
I also didn't get effed with at all after that. :lol:
Marine buddy Jaime and I took his 18 year old stepson and his 5 HS friends to indoor paintball last month for the kid's birthday. Another older, fatter, former Marine buddy of ours, Mike, joined us.
We three old dudes, plus J's 10 year old daughter and Mike's 13 year old kid, just took those teens apart game after game. They would go to cover and stick until we flanked and killed them one by one, no shoot and maneuver from them at all, even after we told them what they were doing wrong.
On the way back to town, in between heckling them as Sally's, we were trying to decide if the Marines made us aggressive or if we were aggressive before and thus self-selected for the Marines.