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Finally!! Someone in the media has discovered exactly what Ron Paul is all about. Charles Krauthammer has a column today, January 16th. It's nice to see the intellectual elite in the media, at least one anyway, has finally stumbled onto the reality of Ron Paul.
Me, just an unwashed hillbilly with a public school edumacation from W. Michigan has been saying the following for months if not years. Ron Paul is not a candidate, he is the voice of a movement that represents a very large segment of Americans who understand what we are as a nation and what we have to get back to in order to survive as a nation. The Tea Party would not exist if not for Mr. Paul being a voice crying out in the wilderness all these years.
He is not perfect, nor are all of his ideas able to be implemented in some ways, but he is close in many ways. But he gets it and he speaks it. It's about time the smart people are starting to get it.
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I've been thinking more like an OT prophet damning the people into slavery for their deeds =|
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He's the guy in the crowd shouting "The Empire has no clothes."
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He's the guy in the crowd shouting "The Empire has no clothes."
or money to spend.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM&feature=player_embedded)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM&feature=player_embedded)
They really should release that as an advert.
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He's the guy in the crowd shouting "The Empire has no clothes."
or money to spend.
How can you have any money to spend if you have no pockets?
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Finally!! Someone in the media has discovered exactly what Ron Paul is all about. Charles Krauthammer has a column today, January 16th.
This one?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ron-pauls-achievement/2012/01/12/gIQABS7duP_story.html
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Krauthammer makes some very good points. After four more years of Obama, a Rand Paul presidential run in 2016 could be a runaway winner. If Romney or another "moderate" wins in 2012, we'll have a moderate or very left leaning dem in 2016.
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This one?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ron-pauls-achievement/2012/01/12/gIQABS7duP_story.html
Yup.
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Krauthammer has eaten a serving of crow since New Hampshire. Paul went from "fringe kook" to leader of a movement in what? 2 weeks! Those not of elitist persuasions have known for some time Paul is the front man for a movement, a movement much deeper than just one man.
I cite the following as evidence of a movement. While Nikki Haley is endorsing Mitt Romney (yawn!) in SC, Ron Paul has picked up the endorsements of a number of high level bureaucrats in the state. Then low state senator Tom Davis, a major legislative force, endorsed Paul. And now to break tomorrow three upstate senators will announce their endorsement of Paul. Remember, the upstate of SC figures large in the TEA movement.
http://www.fitsnews.com/2012/01/16/three-upstate-sc-senators-to-endorse-ron-paul/
Is Paul on a roll? Nope, but the movement he fronts is moving along nicely.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM&feature=player_embedded)
I thought his first name was Ron, not Jeremiah.
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After four more years of Obama, a Rand Paul presidential run in 2016 could be a runaway winner.
Two issues with that> 1- four more years of Obama and 2- Rand doesn't have the Ron's back bone
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and 2- Rand doesn't have the Ron's back bone
No, but Rand is a whole lot smoother and media savy than Ron. Evidence? Paul is in the middle of a boomlet here in SC. We've got talking heads actually discussing points of libertarian ideology. The operative term is talking heads because you don't see Ron in the media. Bad, bad media strategy to let a hostile media represent your positions.
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Krauthammer makes some very good points. After four more years of Obama, a Rand Paul presidential run in 2016 could be a runaway winner. If Romney or another "moderate" wins in 2012, we'll have a moderate or very left leaning dem in 2016.
If we have four years of Obama, we're more likely to see The Army of the West (Allen West, that is) battling Pablo Escobar Jr and The Not So New Black Panthers in the streets of Anywhere USA.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around four more years of Obama being worse than eight years of Mitt Romney. Because your choices are:
1) Four more years of Obama
2) Eight years of Mitt Romney
3) Four years of Mitt Romney and four to eight years of a yet to be identified progressive. So potentially twelve years of crap instead of four with Obama.
4) Four more years of Obama, and then four to eight years oft the yet to be identified progressive if the country is really stupid.
5) Four more years of Obama, then the country finally draws the line and votes in a Rand Paul or equivalent.
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Charles Krauthammer and his pals are not even close to comprehending what Ron Paul is and why people support him.
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I thought his first name was Ron, not Jeremiah.
You mean like *the* Jeremiah.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around four more years of Obama being worse than eight years of Mitt Romney. Because your choices are:
1) Four more years of Obama
2) Eight years of Mitt Romney
3) Four years of Mitt Romney and four to eight years of a yet to be identified progressive. So potentially twelve years of crap instead of four with Obama.
4) Four more years of Obama, and then four to eight years oft the yet to be identified progressive if the country is really stupid.
5) Four more years of Obama, then the country finally draws the line and votes in a Rand Paul or equivalent.
This presupposes political business as usual. Forgive me if I find that incredibly implausible. A second Obama term will play out a scenario no living American has seen.
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You mean like *the* Jeremiah.
Jeremiah as in Jeremiad, forth-telling, and such. Won't be long before Ron's God ges to smiting us for our wicked ways.
Regards,
roo_ster
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This presupposes political business as usual. Forgive me if I find that incredibly implausible. A second Obama term will play out a scenario no living American has seen.
What specific things will happen?
Gun bans? Economic collapse? Riots in the streets? A rise in the crime rate?
Be specific, please.
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Jeremiah as in Jeremiad, forth-telling, and such. Won't be long before Ron's God ges to smiting us for our wicked ways.
Regards,
roo_ster
Jeremiah, as in Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah of the priests in Anathoth, the guy with the unenviable task of telling the last generation in the kingdom of Judah before they all get hauled off into exile (if they're lucky) that their time was up. Pretty grim reading, by and large.
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Jeremiah, as in Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah of the priests in Anathoth, the guy with the unenviable task of telling the last generation in the kingdom of Judah before they all get hauled off into exile (if they're lucky) that their time was up. Pretty grim reading, by and large.
Pretty much like Ron Paul =(
One last chance to turn around before going off the cliff.
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Jeremiah, as in Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah of the priests in Anathoth, the guy with the unenviable task of telling the last generation in the kingdom of Judah before they all get hauled off into exile (if they're lucky) that their time was up. Pretty grim reading, by and large.
So, you've heard of him? ;)
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What specific things will happen?
Gun bans? Economic collapse? Riots in the streets? A rise in the crime rate?
Be specific, please.
Keep going. Nothing you haven't seen before in proto-fascist states.
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So, you've heard of him? [Jeremiah] ;)
At least RP hasn't been thrown down a well yet. (not literally, anyway)
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Keep going. Nothing you haven't seen before in proto-fascist states.
So you're not willing to make any predictions, staying purposefully vague so you cannot be proven wrong?
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I think we dealt with this once before. :)
I'm not in the prediction business. I can only look at the trend and extrapolate. I don't think it's any mystery where Obama is taking America, do you, really?
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I think we dealt with this once before. :)
I'm not in the prediction business. I can only look at the trend and extrapolate. I don't think it's any mystery where Obama is taking America, do you, really?
Yes, and it's not towards a social collapse and people fighting in the streets.
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While the tea party, congressional election rebuff to Obama and the growing support for RP is encouraging.
I'm not sure the American folks have gotten their democracy good and hard enough yet to actually change the status quo.
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Yes, and it's not towards a social collapse and people fighting in the streets.
And you know this.....how?
I am not worried about people fighting in the streets. But Obama's economic policies are failures. We are 15.2 TRILLION dollars in debt and it is now as big as our gross domestic product.
This is NOT sustainable and we will soon be unable to service our debt. We can't "grow ourselves out of the debt" because we're stuck in one of the slowest "recoveries" in this country's history.
We are certainly headed for an economic collapse if nothing else. I think many people may have a hard time distinguishing a "social" collapse from an economic one, actually if it comes to that, no one is going to give a d@mn.
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We can't "grow ourselves out of the debt" because we're stuck in one of the slowest "recoveries" in this country's history.
Recovery is speeding up. And I suspect will continue to, unless Europe falls over.
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Recovery is speeding up. And I suspect will continue to, unless Europe falls over.
No one in the economics field is expecting it to speed up enough to help.
Europe falling over is a real possibility but I don't think we need to see it happen for TSTHTF.
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And you know this.....how?
I am not worried about people fighting in the streets. But Obama's economic policies are failures. We are 15.2 TRILLION dollars in debt and it is now as big as our gross domestic product.
This is NOT sustainable and we will soon be unable to service our debt. We can't "grow ourselves out of the debt" because we're stuck in one of the slowest "recoveries" in this country's history.
We are certainly headed for an economic collapse if nothing else. I think many people may have a hard time distinguishing a "social" collapse from an economic one, actually if it comes to that, no one is going to give a d@mn.
At this point, option most likely to happen is hyperinflation.
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At this point, option most likely to happen is hyperinflation.
+10000000000000000
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Yes, and it's not towards a social collapse and people fighting in the streets.
It will go that way once the currency collapses.
Plus Obama and his minions never miss an opportunity to push more class/race envy and devisiveness.
All its going to take for everything to go downhill really fast will be an incident where someone stands up to a criminal flash mob with firepower.
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So, by what date do you predict hyperinflation? How do you define hyperinflation?
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So, by what date do you predict hyperinflation? How do you define hyperinflation?
Google Weimar Republic. They had hyperinflation. When? Why do you insist we have a crystal ball?
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Google Weimar Republic. They had hyperinflation. When? Why do you insist we have a crystal ball?
You are suggesting an outlandish claim: that Barack OBama will lead to the downfall of the Republic within 4 years.
Because of the nature of such claims, I want to know if you genuinely believe what you say.
The simple way to check if a person believes his own claim is to ask him to make specific, falsifiable predictions, so that, within 4 years, you can see for yourself whether your prediction came true.
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+10000000000000000
10000000000000000 doesn't go as far as it used to.
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You are suggesting an outlandish claim: that Barack OBama will lead to the downfall of the Republic within 4 years.
You are correct about that.
Obama is not the problem, but a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem.
If our country's economic system were healthy we'd be able to weather out 8 years of Obama.
Lets just say that our monetary system has full blown AIDS and Obama is pneumonia.
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+$10000000000000000
Trying to buy a double cheesburger?
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You are suggesting an outlandish claim: that Barack OBama will lead to the downfall of the Republic within 4 years.
Because of the nature of such claims, I want to know if you genuinely believe what you say.
The simple way to check if a person believes his own claim is to ask him to make specific, falsifiable predictions, so that, within 4 years, you can see for yourself whether your prediction came true.
I was pointing out where you could learn what hyperinflation is through example. Why do you (apparantly) think Obama is such a good influence on the economy?
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I was pointing out where you could learn what hyperinflation is through example. Why do you (apparantly) think Obama is such a good influence on the economy?
The fact that I said America's economy is growing at an accelerating rate does not mean I credit Obama for this.
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The fact that I said America's economy is growing at an accelerating rate does not mean I credit Obama for this.
Accelerating is a VERY liberal use of the definition the word. Yes, a man in a walker is accelerating as he moves from 1.3 kph to 1.8 kph... but I don't generally call that "accelerating".
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Accelerating is a VERY liberal use of the definition the word. Yes, a man in a walker is accelerating as he moves from 1.3 kph to 1.8 kph... but I don't generally call that "accelerating".
3% growth in Q4 (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-11-19/news/30419543_1_fourth-quarter-first-quarter-gdp-growth), outpacing Q3 growth of 2%. And we're probably going to see better at Q1 this year.
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3% growth in Q4 (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-11-19/news/30419543_1_fourth-quarter-first-quarter-gdp-growth), outpacing Q3 growth of 2%. And we're probably going to see better at Q1 this year.
You are aware (probably not but I'm ever the optimist) that most economists believe a 5-6% growth rate is necessary before we will recover from the recession we're in?
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3% growth in Q4 (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-11-19/news/30419543_1_fourth-quarter-first-quarter-gdp-growth), outpacing Q3 growth of 2%. And we're probably going to see better at Q1 this year.
I'll wait for the final analysis, at which point they will downgrade that to 2 (as they downgraded all the other initial projections.)
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Yes, and it's not towards a social collapse and people fighting in the streets.
Well, you're right, we have a choice: either collapse/social anarchy or the trains running on time and blissful serfs.
If massively adding debt, stifling the economy, and playing fast and loose with the Constitution isn't pushing America to the brink I don't know what would be.
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I'll wait for the final analysis, at which point they will downgrade that to 2 (as they downgraded all the other initial projections.)
2.8% (http://www.euronews.net/2011/02/25/us-q4-growth-unexpectedly-revised-down/). Not 2.
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2.8% (http://www.euronews.net/2011/02/25/us-q4-growth-unexpectedly-revised-down/). Not 2.
And what a wonderful 2.8% it is:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalreview.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fnfs%2Fuploaded%2Fu917%2F2012%2F01%2Fsherkgraf0130.jpg&hash=d3d2939188dcfe9ca58c2e97e71e19d4919b915a)
Oops, wrong dependent variable!
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You are correct about that.
Obama is not the problem, but a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem.
If our country's economic system were healthy we'd be able to weather out 8 years of Obama.
Lets just say that our monetary system has full blown AIDS and Obama is pneumonia.
Exactly. Obama's bad but let's not scapegoat him and cheer victory or we will be left with the same fundamental problems. He's just the scab over the pustule. There is a lot of squeezing to do.
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2.8% (http://www.euronews.net/2011/02/25/us-q4-growth-unexpectedly-revised-down/). Not 2.
It's reported as 2.8% using the assumption that inflation is .4% in the United States.
That's ZERO POINT FOUR percent. Do you believe the United States is not experiencing inflation right now?
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It's reported as 2.8% using the assumption that inflation is .4% in the United States.
That's ZERO POINT FOUR percent. Do you believe the United States is not experiencing inflation right now?
Well, if we exclude energy, food, and other items that people absolutely must buy to function in our society, and double down on subsidized goods like solar panels made from hemp and the hides of venture capitalists, I am sure it is somewhere down near 0.4%.
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It's reported as 2.8% using the assumption that inflation is .4% in the United States.
That's ZERO POINT FOUR percent. Do you believe the United States is not experiencing inflation right now?
So now that we're getting official data that don't confirm your prediction, you're going to claim they're faked? Touche.
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So now that we're getting official data that don't confirm your prediction, you're going to claim they're faked? Touche.
Faked is different from wrong. I stand by my position that it will be downgraded.
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So now that we're getting official data that don't confirm your prediction, you're going to claim they're faked? Touche.
Nearly every GDP estimate the last few years has been downgraded after the fact. It is pretty easy to see what is going on: not fakery, but pro-growth bias in the assumptions and estimates, followed by the cold shower of real data.
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Our current government inflation numbers are totally BS.
http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Inflation-Since-1872.php?alternate-inflation-1872-present
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Nearly every GDP estimate the last few years has been downgraded after the fact. It is pretty easy to see what is going on: not fakery, but pro-growth bias in the assumptions and estimates, followed by the cold shower of real data.
This is the final data, not the preliminary. It had not been downgraded to 2% as makattak predicted.
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This is the final data, not the preliminary. It had not been downgraded to 2% as makattak predicted.
If he is correct that they use the reformulated (in the 80's & 90's) inflation numbers and not the actual inflation rate as formulated in the pre '82 formulation, then there probably was no real growth.
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This is the final data, not the preliminary. It had not been downgraded to 2% as makattak predicted.
On what basis are you claiming this is the "final data"?
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On what basis are you claiming this is the "final data"?
It's published in February. Usually preliminary Q4 data appears in late December/early January and final evaluations hit the newspapers in early February.
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It's published in February. Usually preliminary Q4 data appears in late December/early January and final evaluations hit the newspapers in early February.
http://www.etoro.com/blog/forex-news/usd-us-and-canada-forex-news/22122011/u-s-q3-gdp-revised-down/
"Final" =/= one month after the quarter is over...
Here's the January announcement of 4th that includes the revision dates:
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm
Next release -- February 29, 2012, at 8:30 A.M. EST for:
Gross Domestic Product: Fourth Quarter and Annual 2011 (Second Estimate)
Release dates in 2012
Gross Domestic Product
11: IV and 2011 annual 2012: I 2012: II 2012: III
Advance... January 27 April 27 July 27 October 26
Second.... February 29 May 31 August 29 November 29
Third..... March 29 June 28 September 27 December 20
Corporate Profits
Preliminary... ... May 31 August 29 November 29
Revised....... March 29 June 28 September 27 December 20 Search
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