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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: vaskidmark on June 01, 2012, 06:37:18 AM
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http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/national/million-moms-march-set-for-friday
As many mommies as they can get will be marching in DC today in objection to harassment over breast feeding. While not specifically mentioned, one suspects that actual breast feeding will take place during the march.
Not even the possibility of seeing boobies will get me voluntarily into DC.
Now, the big question is, how much coverage will TV give to the march?
stay safe.
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Although I expect their movement will go overboard as usual, including advocating special interest laws that actually reduce freedom, I support their cause in principle. It seems like I see dozens of breasts a day; I think women should be completely free to use them for their intended purpose, period.
Sexual mores in America just seem to be getting wonkier all the time. At church the other day a 1-year-old baby spilled massive amounts of sauce down the front of her shirt. Her mother was trying to wipe it up and suggested just taking the shirt off--it's plenty warm. She said "maybe if it was a boy baby". This is a pre-toddler. I would have ridiculed her, but she probably has a legitimate fear of being accused of child porn.
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Although I expect their movement will go overboard as usual, including advocating special interest laws that actually reduce freedom, I support their cause in principle. It seems like I see dozens of breasts a day; I think women should be completely free to use them for their intended purpose, period.
Sexual mores in America just seem to be getting wonkier all the time. At church the other day a 1-year-old baby spilled massive amounts of sauce down the front of her shirt. Her mother was trying to wipe it up and suggested just taking the shirt off--it's plenty warm. She said "maybe if it was a boy baby". This is a pre-toddler. I would have ridiculed her, but she probably has a legitimate fear of being accused of child porn.
This.
My wife is paranoid about this stuff with our toddler (female).
I have no problem letting a baby run around for a bit with no shirt.
We're entirely too sex-paranoid in america.
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This.
My wife is paranoid about this stuff with our toddler (female).
I have no problem letting a baby run around for a bit with no shirt.
We're entirely too sex-paranoid in america.
Are you saying your wife is sex paranoid? Does she actually think your daughter was in danger of child molesters when she makes those choices?
Or are you instead pointing out that we are "meddling neighbors/passersby with the backing of lawyers and an intrusive nanny-state paranoid?"
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Are you saying your wife is sex paranoid? Does she actually think your daughter was in danger of child molesters when she makes those choices?
Or are you instead pointing out that we are "meddling neighbors/passersby with the backing of lawyers and an intrusive nanny-state paranoid?"
No, my wife is paranoid of neighbors, nosy busybodies, cops having a problem, etc.
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No, my wife is paranoid of neighbors, nosy busybodies, cops having a problem, etc.
Exactly. I very much doubt most of America is "sex-paranoid". We are "government paranoid."
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Exactly. I very much doubt most of America is "sex-paranoid". We are "government paranoid."
I think you're wrong.
Freedom loving individuals aren't sex paranoid.
A TON of america is. Most of america don't think like we do. How else would the government etc have any way into the issue? Unless it's gay sex, that is. Then it's wrong to say you don't want to see it on main street. Lol
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If I don't think breast-feeding is a legitimate exception to public nudity laws, does that make me a misogynist?
Or is it when I support the cause and stare at the nursing mothers?
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...I think women should be completely free to use them for their intended purpose, period.... .
Do you mean there should be no issue over using breasts for their intended purpose (with which I agree); or that breasts should be used only and exclusively for their intended purpose (with which I disagree).
And Fistful, your beliefs don't make you a misogynist, they make you a misopedist.
Why do you want to starve innocent babies?
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And Fistful, your beliefs don't make you a misogynist, they make you a misopedist.
Why do you want to starve innocent babies?
Probably because my mother wasn't allowed to breast feed me in public, with her bosoms all on display and stuff. It scarred me for life.
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It's odd that we don't want "children" to see bare breasts, until they are old enough, or over 18 or whatever. I guess the idea is that until they get old enough, they are too immature to be exposed to bare breasts, and seeing them might scar them. Unless they are really young, in which case they are allowed to see them and even feed off them. So kids can handle breasts ok from birth up until they are weaned, then once they are weaned they are to be protected from breasts because they will be scarred by being exposed to them, until they are old. Very strange.
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It's odd that we don't want "children" to see bare breasts, until they are old enough, or over 18 or whatever. I guess the idea is that until they get old enough, they are too immature to be exposed to bare breasts, and seeing them might scar them. Unless they are really young, in which case they are allowed to see them and even feed off them. So kids can handle breasts ok from birth up until they are weaned, then once they are weaned they are to be protected from breasts because they will be scarred by being exposed to them, until they are old. Very strange.
I don't get that, either. The whole idea that casual sex and indiscriminate nudity is bad for children, but OK for grown-ups. So Miley Cyrus has to be all sweet and virginal until she gets to be about 18 or 20 or so, and then it is perfectly honorable and good for her to dress or behave scandalously.
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How do you make the jump from breastfeeding to casual sex?
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I presume the "harassment" of which they complain has to do with being asked not to bare their breasts in public. And as zahc was saying, there's a curious idea that it's OK for adults to look at the bare breasts of random strangers. The attitude that it's also OK for adults to have sex willy-nilly is part of the same cultural trend.
Does that explain it?
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I presume the "harassment" of which they complain has to do with being asked not to bare their breasts in public. And as zahc was saying, there's a curious idea that it's OK for adults to look at the bare breasts of random strangers. The attitude that it's also OK for adults to have sex willy-nilly is part of the same cultural trend.
Does that explain it?
Have you ever actually seen a woman breastfeeding?
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Balog, there's breastfeeding, and there's breastfeeding. I've seen women who, while breastfeeding in public, are discreet. Even if they don't use a blanket or some other type of cover to be more discreet (which all of my sis-in-laws w/ children do), they are at least somewhat conscious of the fact that maybe everyone doesn't wanna see their breasts, and maybe they don't want everyone to see them either. I've also run in to the opposite. Saw one lady just about take her top completely off to breastfeed her child in public. Not only that, but she exposed her breast, then made sure the kid was in position to actually feed. Once the kid was done feeding, she took a rag, cleaned the kid's face, checked a couple of other things, and then covered herself back up.
I have no problem with breastfeeding in public. I have a problem with the people who seem to think it's an excuse to be topless in public.
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So you want to empower the cops to regulate how a woman can feed her baby in public? How would you draw that legislation up, I wonder? God forbid anyone should react to the sight of something they don't want to see by, you know, not looking at it.
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Why is a breast considered something that can't be seen in public?
After all, men can bare theirs just fine, no worries. Put a bit more fat and mammary gland on it and suddenly it's obscene?
Jeez
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Have you ever actually seen a woman breastfeeding?
Yes. Why?
So you want to empower the cops to regulate how a woman can feed her baby in public? How would you draw that legislation up, I wonder? God forbid anyone should react to the sight of something they don't want to see by, you know, not looking at it.
God forbid we have laws against public indecency. Oh wait. We do. Are police not already empowered to regulate toplessness, or was I misinformed?
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Are police not already empowered to regulate toplessness, or was I misinformed?
Police regulate all sorts of things than don't need to be regulated =(
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Why is a breast considered something that can't be seen in public?
After all, men can bare theirs just fine, no worries. Put a bit more fat and mammary gland on it and suddenly it's obscene?
Of course. Are you new to planet Earth? How do you pretend not to understand this?
If it helps you, though, I find male toplessness to be questionable, as well. Definitely something we should look into regulating.
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You make no distinction between toplessness and breastfeeding. Of course not.
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I find male toplessness to be questionable, as well. Definitely something we should look into regulating.
Especially when combined with fat and mammary gland [barf]
What about cleavage...? Do you think that we should look into that ??? :angel:
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Most women I have ever seen breast feeding were making a reasonable effort to cover themselves and there was no problem. I was always curious just what these women were doing when they were hassled by police.
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Especially when combined with fat and mammary gland [barf]
What about cleavage...? Do you think that we should look into that ??? :angel:
Yes, regulate those loose sweaters. Women wearing them can't bend over. :lol:
I would agree that some women expose so much cleavage it is worse than if they were modestly breast feeding.
Sounds like an issue to be solved at the local level where it already is dealt with for the most part.
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Wait a minute. You mean breasts can be used to feed babies?
I thought they were just for fun.
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Of course. Are you new to planet Earth? How do you pretend not to understand this?
If it helps you, though, I find male toplessness to be questionable, as well. Definitely something we should look into regulating.
You didn't answer the question.
Why is a bit of exposed breast for a woman feeding her kid obscene?
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... there's a curious idea that it's OK for adults to look at the bare breasts of random strangers. The attitude that it's also OK for adults to have sex willy-nilly is part of the same cultural trend...
Does that explain it?
It explains the process used to make the logic jump.
Much information is missing, but I don't require it.
Thank you.
I disagree with the connection between feeding babies and wanton fornication, but haven't got the time to get into it right now.
Maybe tonight, if the thread isn't locked by then.
Carry on.
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I see another on the horizon;
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What about cleavage...? Do you think that we should look into that ??? :angel:
PLEASE allow me to be on the committee in charge of looking into cleavage.
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PLEASE allow me to be on the committee in charge of looking into cleavage.
Okay, you are assigned as the liason to the AARP for individual judgements on cleavage legality.
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feeding babies in public will inevitably lead to Sodom and Gommorrah levels of fornication.
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Oh noes, women using their bodies to preform basic biological functions that happen to involve a secondary sexual characteristic that's been put on some forbidden fruit pedestal by my own biases!
I'm offended! Restrict their freedoms! Regulate!
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Freedom (Noun) 1: the quality or state of being free: as A: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action
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Yet another reason women shouldn't be in the military ;)
Or- this thread is useless without pics.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/31/parental-pride-or-indecent-exposure-photos-military-women-breastfeeding-in/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/31/parental-pride-or-indecent-exposure-photos-military-women-breastfeeding-in/)
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Oh noes, women using their bodies to preform basic biological functions that happen to involve a secondary sexual characteristic that's been put on some forbidden fruit pedestal by my own biases!
I'm offended! Restrict their freedoms! Regulate!
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So what's your stance on public urination? (And I'm aware of the pun involved there.)
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So what's your stance on public urination? (And I'm aware of the pun involved there.)
You don't see a difference between waste elimination and breastfeeding?
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So what's your stance on public urination? (And I'm aware of the pun involved there.)
For starters, eating vs disposing of waste.
2nd, A person capable of deciding to urinate in public is capable of making the decision not to, or to find a discreet location.
A baby doesn't know (or care about) any of these ridiculous taboos involving breasts, and they are hungry and helpless. When it's time to eat, it's time to eat.
Totally different than some dude pissing on a lamppost.
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So what's your stance on public urination? (And I'm aware of the pun involved there.)
I like elephants.
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PLEASE allow me to be on the committee in charge of looking into cleavage.
we'll put an additive in your food before we do that you won't like it
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we'll put an additive in your food before we do that you won't like it
He might not like it, but there will be those who will go out of their way to collect his pee so they can make gunpowder. :-X
stay safe.
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You don't see a difference between waste elimination and breastfeeding?
Reminds me of the time one of my friends was discretely breastfeeding her baby and some busybody suggested she "go do that in the bathroom." She asked him if he typically ate his meals in the bathroom.
Chalk me up as one of those people who doesn't see the big deal about breastfeeding in public. I have yet to see someone that was not discrete, so I really don't understand why this is such a big deal.
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I disagree with the connection between feeding babies and wanton fornication
I didn't know there was one. I'm pretty sure you know it's the bared breast I was talking about, rather than the breast-feeding itself.
I trust you do see the connection between the sophisticateder-than-thou (stt) talking point, "Oh, sex between consenting adults is no big deal," and the stt talking point that goes, "Why do the rubes get so worked up? It's just a breast. It's just a breast." (I hate to bring up the Janet Jackson Super Bowl appearance again, but it's just such a classic example.) Both are attitudes which dismiss traditional mores as unreasonable, without providing any reason against them.
Reminds me of the time one of my friends was discretely breastfeeding her baby and some busybody suggested she "go do that in the bathroom." She asked him if he typically ate his meals in the bathroom.
Chalk me up as one of those people who doesn't see the big deal about breastfeeding in public. I have yet to see someone that was not discrete, so I really don't understand why this is such a big deal.
I also think that businesses can accommodate breast-feeding without offending other customers. Or even offending other customers and just accepting the loss of business. But then, I'm also crazy enough to think that people could successfully argue for such accommodation without pretending that they have a right to whip them out, regardless of others' ideas on the matter.
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Spain=billboard size ad for lotion, fully topless lass. No one died. I did however really want to moisturize. We are way too prudish in this country. You wanna outlaw something indecent? Put a max size limit on spandex and speedos. Leave mom alone.
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I find this whole arguement hystarical as my friend who recently had a baby had some issues breast feeding in "public". The problem was not people being offended, but people walking up and staring into her vehical while she was trying to descreatly feed her child. :facepalm:
Luckly, my friend had pretty much lost her modesty after the whole childbirth thing, and still hadn't regained it, so she just didn't care, other then to point out how stupid and obnoxious people could be.
I think the line is, is she feeding her kid or is she using the feeding of kid to expose herself? And since that is impossible to regulate, we need to just forget about that and move on.
Feeding babies trumps public exposure.
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If you're offended by a mom breastfeeding, that's a little thing we like to call "Your Own Damn Problem."
I also point out that traditional social mores have no issue with breastfeeding.
I'll also also point out that I used to wonder about truth of the accounts of hysterical idiots in Victorian England who insisted on putting coverings on their table's legs lest any be offended/tempted by the sight of a wooden stand in for that bit of anatomy. Then I met fistful...
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You don't see a difference between waste elimination and breastfeeding?
I do. However Nick's cry for FFREEEEDOMMMM!!!!!! only spoke of biological functions. Both are natural functions with a secondary sexual purpose. If you have a problem with the exposure of one, why not the other?
As for babies having to have their food NOW, Fitz, you know very well you can gauge when a child is likely to get hungry and no child will be harmed by waiting five minutes to get fed when he is hungry.
I also will state I have no problems with discreet breastfeeding. In case people aren't aware, there are even wonderful, light covers that allow a woman to breastfeed with very little chance of exposing herself, even while sitting on a park bench in the sunshine.
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Of all of the issues one could discuss and start to engage in personal attacks, breast feeding isn't one that would, for me, come to mind. Nonetheless, it seems like some of you are managing to pull it off. So please knock it off.
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Mak: and you wish to empower the Modesty Police to
make sure she's wearing her burka and hijab determine when a woman is being discrete enough? Also, where is this "five minute" time frame you speak of coming from, and is the problem of a baby not being able to eat when it is hungry somehow less than the potential discomfort one might experience at the horrific sight of a woman feeding her child? You are also aware that 1. some babies won't feed under a cover 2. they can become dangerously warm depending on ambient temp 3. babies loooove to grab and remove those things.
It's funny, in the "traditional mores" some here are so enamored of, in a situation where a lecherous man was staring at a woman breastfeeding it would be the man who was in trouble. Odd, that.
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So what's your stance on public urination? (And I'm aware of the pun involved there.)
Penis' aren't secondary sexual characteristics. [1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sex_characteristic)] We're not talking about women exposing their vagina's to the public, we're talking about breasts. So, an male equivalent would be something as scandalous as a man exposing his Adams apple in public.
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Penis' aren't secondary sexual characteristics. [1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sex_characteristic)] We're not talking about women exposing their vagina's to the public, we're talking about breasts. So, an male equivalent would be something as scandalous as a man exposing his Adams apple in public.
I wasn't aware Adam's apples had a secondary sexual function.
You could compare it to a man baring his butt in public. What's the law on that?
And as for the "modesty police" I'd like similar considerations to inadvertent exposure of concealed firearms to apply to inadvertent exposure while breastfeeding.
Also, babies that can pull a cover off are babies that can wait a few minutes. And I seriously doubt being under the cover of my wife's nursing cover holds any danger of overheating.
As for the man being in trouble for lecherously staring at any woman, I'm opposed to criminalizing thought. I do support social disapprobation for that, though.
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I didnt think a thread about breastfeeding could make my brain hurt so much... I was so so very wrong.
If you don't like seeing someone breast feed in public the easiest thing to do is to not look.
Why we as a society decided to demonize the form of the naked human body I'll never understand.
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At what point of the chest is it considered to be exposing there breasts? We could resolve this whole issue by simply requiring all women to wear a burqa.
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I just left Panera with my two daughters. Saw a lady across the room in a booth covered by a blanket/shawl talking with her dining partner. It has been chilly.
A bit later I looked around and noticed the same woman with a sleeping child on her chest.
I'm wondering if the people adamant against public breastfeeding are shooting at the wrong target.
And maybe, just maybe,there is a parallel between the wanton exposure of lactating breasts and the recent increase in the popularity of open carry of sidearms.
Yes, I am suggesting that strapping on a Desert Eagle for a trip to Starbucks because "It's my right. Get over it." is a lot like mom saying "Yea, it's a tit. I'm feeding my kid. Get over it"
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Yes, I am suggesting that strapping on a Desert Eagle for a trip to Starbucks because "It's my right. Get over it." is a lot like mom saying "Yea, it's a tit. I'm feeding my kid. Get over it"
Both people exercising there rights stolen from ignorant people.
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I'm floored by some of the responses in this thread. WTF? It's a boob. Oh noez!!!
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I'm floored by some of the responses in this thread. WTF? It's a boob. Oh noez!!!
It's because boobs are awesome, and some people just can't handle that much awesome. ;)
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It's because boobs are awesome,
Why yes, they most certainly are. ;)
bob
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It is a bit weird that, on a board where the denizens are vehemently in support of the basic human right of self defense, folks would be against something as basic and innocent as breastfeeding.
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It's because boobs are awesome, and some people just can't handle that much awesome. ;)
I've always been a big fan. ;)
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I've always been a big fan. ;)
Me Too Me Too. >:D
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Penis' aren't secondary sexual characteristics. [1] We're not talking about women exposing their vagina's to the public, we're talking about breasts. So, an male equivalent would be something as scandalous as a man exposing his Adams apple in public.
Ummm...you ever notice those nipplily things on your chest when you have no shirt on? I'd say the male equivalent is smaller breasts (usually smaller I should add).
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This thread is STILL worthless without pics.
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This thread is STILL worthless without pics.
If you look, the net is full of pictures of boobies...some more awesome than others.
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This thread is STILL worthless without pics.
Here ya go.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-3Fg-cn7a9M8%2FTg4BqV5gWzI%2FAAAAAAAAK08%2FD-ugAMS4Ji4%2Fs1600%2Fa%2Bpair%2Bof%2Bboobies.jpg&hash=109334dbd2cd875e78ebd520973903f1f8d1b555)
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That'll work. =D
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Exactly. I very much doubt most of America is "sex-paranoid". We are "government paranoid."
And what about said meddling neighbors/cops?
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I don't get that, either. The whole idea that casual sex and indiscriminate nudity is bad for children, but OK for grown-ups. So Miley Cyrus has to be all sweet and virginal until she gets to be about 18 or 20 or so, and then it is perfectly honorable and good for her to dress or behave scandalously.
In about the same way that we believe driving cars is okay for 24-year-olds but not for 4-year-olds. Such inconsistency.
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Here ya go.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-3Fg-cn7a9M8%2FTg4BqV5gWzI%2FAAAAAAAAK08%2FD-ugAMS4Ji4%2Fs1600%2Fa%2Bpair%2Bof%2Bboobies.jpg&hash=109334dbd2cd875e78ebd520973903f1f8d1b555)
:lol:
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I suspect somewhat over 99% of the women who breast feed outside of the home aren't really interested in flashing the public.
The in your face activists and dolts who don't use discretion are the ones causing the (over)reaction.
What a surprise, the narcissistic and self indulgent being flamboyant are causing problems for those who just want to feed their child.
Over the years in all the times I happened to notice a breastfeeding mother in public I never saw any boobage. Probably because I didn't gawk or stare and the mother was using some discretion. That's how civil society works, I don't stare or gawk and she doesn't leave herself exposed to the restaurant patrons. It is called deference.
Is the point feeding the child or using feeding time as an excuse to try and change the cultures mores about exposed breasts?
I suspect this event is in part motivated by shoring up the "war on women" narrative.
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Ron, thanks for making what I was trying to say earlier clearer. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with breastfeeding in public. Even if they don't use a cover up of some kind, I've seen women be discrete about it. It's the "whip the breast out and keep it out for 5 minutes before actually starting to feed your kid" types that bother me.
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I suspect somewhat over 99% of the women who breast feed outside of the home aren't really interested in flashing the public.
The in your face activists and dolts who don't use discretion are the ones causing the (over)reaction.
What a surprise, the narcissistic and self indulgent being flamboyant are causing problems for those who just want to feed their child.
If it is as low as only 1% who are flashing them out who are causing an over reaction it sounds like there are a lot of busybodies who need to find something better to do. Has there been some outbreak of women feeding there children? I've not only not ever seen someone expose themselves while breastfeeding, I've simply never seen a woman breastfeed.
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If it is as low as only 1% who are flashing them out who are causing an over reaction it sounds like there are a lot of busybodies who need to find something better to do. Has there been some outbreak of women feeding there children? I've not only not ever seen someone expose themselves while breastfeeding, I've simply never seen a woman breastfeed.
Uh, you realize it's the 1%-ers that are holding a rally, right? It seems the "busybodies" are not as busy as you suppose.
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It's because boobs are awesome, and some people just can't handle that much awesome. ;)
That would be much closer to my own opinions on the subject than this talk of "demonizing the body." Apparently some people, when told not to stare directly at the sun, take this as a declaration that the sun must not be looked upon because it is evil.
Come to think of it, I can't recall anyone saying that boobies are demons. Does anyone know who Raspberry Surprise was talking about?
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It is a bit weird that, on a board where the denizens are vehemently in support of the basic human right of self defense, folks would be against something as basic and innocent as breastfeeding.
People on this board are opposed to breastfeeding? Who?
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If it is as low as only 1% who are flashing them out who are causing an over reaction it sounds like there are a lot of busybodies who need to find something better to do. Has there been some outbreak of women feeding there children? I've not only not ever seen someone expose themselves while breastfeeding, I've simply never seen a woman breastfeed.
You probably have, you just didn't know it, or really notice. Between a shall, blanket, or whatnot, the womens shirt hitched up or pushed to the side and nursing bra, and you add in a baby, there really isn't much to see. I've seen several women nurse and I still don't think i've ever seen nipple. You generally see more boobage from women in low cut shirts and push up bras then nursing moms.
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That would be much closer to my own opinions on the subject than this talk of "demonizing the body." Apparently some people, when told not to stare directly at the sun, take this as a declaration that the sun must not be looked upon because it is evil.
Come to think of it, I can't recall anyone saying that boobies are demons. Does anyone know who Raspberry Surprise was talking about?
I don't think anyone accused you of hating on boobs, fistful. As a hetrosexual male, it's pretty much gareenteed that you love boobies. ;/
However, as a grown man, you and all the other men out there who love the boobies to the point you can't take the occasional flash of boob from a nursing mom without breaking into a sweat of lustfulness, you need to work on control. ;)
(and yes, to be clear fistful, i'm just teasing you :lol: )
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However, as a grown man, you and all the other men out there who love the boobies to the point you can't take the occasional flash of boob from a nursing mom without breaking into a sweat of lustfulness, you need to work on control.
I don't lose control. I just slip in and elbow the kid out of the way. ;)
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Have to agree with the folks that say that public breastfeeding is (or should be) a non-issue. I know a lot of breastfeeding moms (my wife included) and they are all very discreet, although I do tend to avert my eyes for ladies other than my wife. If a breastfeeding mom fails to cover themselves sufficiently to meet your expectations, it's probably better to just look the other way and move on with your life.
Breastfeeding involves some spectacular equipment but isn't at all prurient.
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it's probably better to just look the other way and move on with your life.
And therein lies the problem. Some people just can not do that. ;/
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This is what happens when we start our discussion with an article that provides almost no information. It says that some women will protest being "harassed," but with no attempt to explain what is meant by harassment. If we google up their web page, we still get very little explanation, but they are demanding to be allowed to breastfeed anywhere they are legally permitted to be.
http://www.breastfeedingmothersunite.com/2.html
We might pause here to point out that motherhood doesn't grant a right to trespass on others' property any more than carrying a gun does. But that would only draw the ire of the many gun owners who don't understand how rights work.
So, instead, we'll just note that this conversation will continue to be pointless and silly, until we know what "harassment" is supposed to mean. Are these Rosie O'Donnell wannabes claiming the right to expose themselves, or merely to breastfeed discreetly? Or do they demand private rooms in every "public accommodation"?
Until then, I guess it makes just as much sense to accuse makattak of being anti-breastfeeding, or to say that fistful is waging a war on table-legs. Whatever.
FTR, I have no problem with women breastfeeding in public. But I also don't think mothers get to break laws against public nudity which the rest of us are obliged to obey.
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This is what happens when we start our discussion with an article that provides almost no information. It says that some women will protest being "harassed," but with no attempt to explain what is meant by harassment. If we google up their web page, we still get very little explanation, but they are demanding to be allowed to breastfeed anywhere they are legally permitted to be.
http://www.breastfeedingmothersunite.com/2.html
We might pause here to point out that motherhood doesn't grant a right to trespass on others' property any more than carrying a gun does. But that would only draw the ire of the many gun owners who don't understand how rights work.
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But above, you JUST said that they are demanding to be allowed to breastfeed "anywhere they are legally permitted to be"
If they're legally permitted to be somewhere, they aren't trespassing, are they?
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I said trespassing, because it is more convenient than saying that they are on someone else's property, doing things they owner doesn't want them to do, and for which he/she should have the right to eject them.
If there's a better word for violating someone's property rights, let me know.
Thanks.
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"squatting" ;)
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I'm just not sure how one could phrase a law that had a middle ground without screwing over someone, since no matter how discreate you are about it, you still risk flashing the world since when it comes to the choice of maintaining cover and dropping the baby, no one in their right mind would drop the baby. As I said, there is always going to be exibitionists, and in order to stop them, you end up messing with everyone else's need to breastfeed.
Does this have anything to do with the USAF moms who where photographed nursing in uniform? Because that is, IMHO a ligit "you're in trouble now." thing. Using a military uniform for some purpose/cause without permission has been bad mojo forever.
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I don't lose control. I just slip in and elbow the kid out of the way. ;)
That's just wrong :lol:
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I'm just not sure how one could phrase a law that had a middle ground without screwing over someone, since no matter how discreate you are about it, you still risk flashing the world since when it comes to the choice of maintaining cover and dropping the baby, no one in their right mind would drop the baby. As I said, there is always going to be exibitionists, and in order to stop them, you end up messing with everyone else's need to breastfeed.
Are you talking about someone who's trying to cover up, but they have a momentary, accidental slip? I don't see how that would be a problem, any more than for someone whose pants split or fall down. That would be like getting a ticket for a broken tail light, after getting rear-ended.
Regardless, has anyone proposed some new law against exhibitionist breast feeders? I thought that was already covered by existing laws. It's the Million Moms asking for federal - federal! - laws to be passed.
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exhibitionist breast feeders?
Never seen one, and I spend A LOT of time around mothers with young children.
Please show that this is a legitimate problem....wait wait wait...
(shakes head violently enough to make ears audibly slap against head)
are you saying it's NOT a problem and the million marching moms are waisting time trying to make an issue where there isn't one?
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Are you talking about someone who's trying to cover up, but they have a momentary, accidental slip? I don't see how that would be a problem, any more than for someone whose pants split or fall down. That would be like getting a ticket for a broken tail light, after getting rear-ended.
Regardless, has anyone proposed some new law against exhibitionist breast feeders? I thought that was already covered by existing laws. It's the Million Moms asking for federal - federal! - laws to be passed.
I don't know, but it would be a purpose for a group like this.
Fistful, as to the purpose and goals of this group, i'm just as confused as you.
And yes, i'm refering to accidental slip, and as it wouldn't be as obvious as getting rear ended, I would consider it a ligit reason to not pass any laws against or to hide breastfeeding.
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Never seen one, and I spend ALOT of time around mothers with young children.
Please show that this is a legitimate problem....wait wait wait...
(shakes head violently enough to make ears audibly slap against head)
are you saying it's NOT a problem and the million marching moms are waisting time trying to make an issue where there isn't one?
Yeah, pretty much.
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I don't know, but it would be a purpose for a group like this.
Fistful, as to the purpose and goals of this group, i'm just as confused as you.
And yes, i'm refering to accidental slip, and as it wouldn't be as obvious as getting rear ended, I would consider it a ligit reason to not pass any laws against or to hide breastfeeding.
I think we all may be arguing in agreement.
I don't think there is currently any problem that the laws need to address. I think all the rest of you are in the same boat. We're just arguing against changing the current laws to be more lax just as you all are arguing against the current laws being more strict.
So, hey, we all agree!
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Ah, another non issue to make a fuss over. I recall way back in 1971 the fairly hot lady nursing her baby quite out in the open but still discretely at the apt complex pool. The biggest debate I heard was whether she might offer both chocolate and vanilla. Teenage boys will discuss such things. Thankfully we grow up and never ponder those things again. :angel:
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Never seen one, and I spend ALOT of time around mothers with young children.
Please show that this is a legitimate problem....wait wait wait...
(shakes head violently enough to make ears audibly slap against head)
are you saying it's NOT a problem and the million marching moms are waisting time trying to make an issue where there isn't one?
They say they're being harassed, but what do they mean by that? I guess they might have some testimonials on their web site. I haven't had a chance to look, yet.
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This:
Does this have anything to do with the USAF moms who where photographed nursing in uniform? Because that is, IMHO a ligit "you're in trouble now." thing. Using a military uniform for some purpose/cause without permission has been bad mojo forever.
And this:
I suspect this event is in part motivated by shoring up the "war on women" narrative.
Topic over. Shall I close it now?
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Topic over. Shall I close it now?
Considering I started the whole thing as a statement about not being willing to intentionally venture into DC for any reason, including the marching of boobies. The intent was to take a swipe at the plethora of draconian and offensive laws that have been enacted in the capital of the (supposedly) Free World. That apparently fell flat. But I must say that the ensuing discussionhas certainly ben entertaining.
Let us bid a fond farewell to the Two Million Boobies.
stay safe.
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Four pages and no pics?.....APS disappoints.... :'(
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They say they're being harassed, but what do they mean by that? I guess they might have some testimonials on their web site. I haven't had a chance to look, yet.
TwinPineA was basically kicked out of church for breastfeeding our grand-daughter =(
Which - feeling about churches as I do - may have been A Good Thing :P
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This:
And this:
Topic over. Shall I close it now?
Why? It's not like anyone is angry or fighting. We had a reasonable discussion about a potentially sensitive subject, and we all ended up agreeing.
Hell, I think we should sticky this as an example that it CAN happen! :laugh:
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Why? It's not like anyone is angry or fighting. We had a reasonable discussion about a potentially sensitive subject, and we all ended up agreeing.
Hell, I think we should sticky this as an example that it CAN happen! :laugh:
THIS IS PRECISELY WHY WOMEN DONT BELONG IN THE MILITARY
[popcorn]
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Topic over. Shall I close it now?
Not until at least one side gets a chance to say, "It's for the children!" But which side will say it first?
In about the same way that we believe driving cars is okay for 24-year-olds but not for 4-year-olds. Such inconsistency.
I was talking more like 15-year-olds versus 20-year-olds, and I was talking about something that doesn't seem like a wise idea at any age.