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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on June 23, 2012, 12:58:04 PM
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Well okay then...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/22/wisconsin-wife-reportedly-attacks-husband-for-reading-onion/?test=latestnews
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The Onion is porn? I'll have to start reading it more, obviously I am missing something. ???
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The Onion is porn!?
She has got to be the member of one of those weird churches that worship snakes or animals without feet.
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Feet are the only standard by which I consume animals. Feet? Eat it. No feet? Don't eat it. Oh, except for fish. Darn it. Are there any fish out there with feet that I can bread and fry?
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Feet? Eat it.
Skunks have feet.
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Snake > fish.
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Feet are the only standard by which I consume animals. Feet? Eat it. No feet? Don't eat it.
Dolphins don't have feet....
Rosie O'Donnell has feet...
Your arguement is invalid....
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Dolphins don't have feet....
Rosie O'Donnell has feet...
Your arguement is invalid....
Aack!
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If that article appears in the Onion, would it still be true? ???
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Uh, there are women who would attack their spouse for porn or the Onion?
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Uh, there are women who would attack their spouse for porn...?
Yeah, it's not like that would be adulterous, or anything.
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Yeah, it's not like that would be adulterous, or anything.
Ah... Is it? I'm actually asking, I have no idea.
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Yeah, it's not like that would be adulterous, or anything.
Do you think physically attacking someone you suspect of adultery is somehow acceptable human behavior?
I thought people who do this are generally considered wife-beating (or in other cases husband-beating) losers? Did I miss something?
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Ah... Is it? I'm actually asking, I have no idea.
Is it not a way of seeking sexual gratification from someone other than the marriage partner?
From what I gather, a great many women (not all, perhaps, but many) interpret their SO's use of porn as an indicator that she is not physically/sexually adequate, and that he is going to someone else to make up the difference. That somewhat misreads the male libido, which tends to seek out other sources of stimulation regardless, but this is usually lost on the aggrieved woman.
And if you've ever read anything from that Christ guy, he said that looking at other chicks for sexual jollies is committing adultery with the heart (slight paraphrase, of course). Obviously, others will have different definitions of adulterous behavior. The above is merely my opinion, and the sources thereof.
Do you think physically attacking someone you suspect of adultery is somehow acceptable human behavior?
Will you please refrain from reading things into people's comments? It is a pattern. Read more carefully, please.
To answer your question, I didn't say it was OK. I suggested a reason why a woman might react strongly to a husband's consumption of porn.
Still, to compare a guy who gets a "beating" because he was perusing porn, to battered wives? That's really offensive.
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Why? Is physically attacking males somehow better than violently attacking females?
If someone violently attacks you on purpose, you are clearly not having a healthy relationship.
Is it not a way of seeking sexual gratification from someone other than the marriage partner?
Here I was thinking that there's a giant difference between thinking of doing something and actually doing it (hint: pornography consumers don't actually have sex with the porn stars).
Well-adjusted people do not physically assault their significant others based on what they read.
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Why? Is physically attacking males somehow better than violently attacking females?
For a man to attack a woman is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than for either sex to attack a man.
If someone violently attacks you on purpose, you are clearly not having a healthy relationship.
If you are using porn, you are clearly not having a healthy relationship.
Here I was thinking that there's a giant difference between thinking of doing something and actually doing it (hint: pornography consumers don't actually have sex with the porn stars).
Of course there is. Again, read carefully to avoid unwarranted inferences. (Hint: I said it was bad; not as bad.)
Well-adjusted people do not physically assault their significant others based on what they read.
That is your opinion. You should be more concerned about the pathology of the porn-consuming husband, than the anger of the wife.
For the record, I think the woman in the story sounds a little nuts.
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>For a man to attack a woman is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than for either sex to attack a man.<
Pardon my well-hidden liberalism, but I feel that attacking anyone physically is bad, no "order of magnitude" involved.
>If you are using porn, you are clearly not having a healthy relationship.<
Not your call. I can think of many reasons why one partner or the other may decide to utilize porn (speaking of actual porn, not the Onion), yet still have a healthy relationship. Such defined as "all partners happy"
>Of course there is. Again, read carefully to avoid unwarranted inferences. (Hint: I said it was bad; not as bad.)<
This is a judgement based on the teachings of your faith. Kinda loses traction when applied to folks who don't follow the same faith
>That is your opinion. You should be more concerned about the pathology of the porn-consuming husband, than the anger of the wife.<
"Pathology"? Seriously? The Onion?
Even if he was "caught" watching "Two Girls One Cup", with printouts of Tubgirl... doesn't qualify as justification for physical assault. Period. Full stop
>For the record, I think the woman in the story sounds a little nuts.<
That would be the oft-mentioned "understatement". Woman is psycho. Makes me wonder why he decided to marry the woman in the first place
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For a man to attack a woman is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than for either sex to attack a man.
I don't feel this to be the case. Certainly if you attack someone who cannot resist you (either by being in a relationship with you, or for a health reason) it is totally not permissible, whether they are a woman, a man, or whoever.'
Yes, there is such a thing as battered husbands (this should not come as a surprise to any individual). Spousal abuse is bad whoever does it.
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Well, fistful, honestly I respect your belief system. Ideologically, I'll admit, I believe under the law, assault should be assault. Personally, I'm sure I'd get emotionally more worked up about a stereotypical large, strong guy beating the hell out of a normal sized, untrained lady. I'm sure a gang of women stumping the heck out of a 6 year old male would be extremely bothersome to me.
As for porn being adulterous, ah, gotcha, I follow the logic. Sorta. Would CGI, hand drawn or cartoon porn still count? I mean, they're female form but obviously they're not "women" in the biological sense because they don't exist. Can you commit adultery of the heart with something that isn't real? I'm guessing yes, because porn is just light that forms pretty pictures (hopefully) or colored paper.
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And if you've ever read anything from that Christ guy, he said that looking at other chicks for sexual jollies is committing adultery with the heart (slight paraphrase, of course). Obviously, others will have different definitions of adulterous behavior. The above is merely my opinion, and the sources thereof.
Ironically confirmed by Jimmy Carter during his interview with Playboy magazine....
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As for porn being adulterous, ah, gotcha, I follow the logic. Sorta. Would CGI, hand drawn or cartoon porn still count? I mean, they're female form but obviously they're not "women" in the biological sense because they don't exist. Can you commit adultery of the heart with something that isn't real? I'm guessing yes, because porn is just light that forms pretty pictures (hopefully) or colored paper.
Sure, just as just creating a ransom woman in a random fantasy created only in ones mind would be equally adulterous as watching porn.
The point isn't so much the form in this case, as is the act of lustful thoughts or fantasy.
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Sure, just as just creating a ransom woman in a random fantasy created only in ones mind would be equally adulterous as watching porn.
The point isn't so much the form in this case, as is the act of lustful thoughts or fantasy.
So basically watching porn equates to thinking of other women?
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Sure, just as just creating a ransom woman in a random fantasy created only in ones mind would be equally adulterous as watching porn.
The point isn't so much the form in this case, as is the act of lustful thoughts or fantasy.
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And this is considered bad? I was under the impression virtually everyone did so?
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So basically watching porn equates to thinking of other women?
Well, yeah. I mean, unless the chick you're ogling is your wife, then you're seeking sexual gratification from someone else.
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Well, yeah. I mean, unless the chick you're ogling is your wife, then you're seeking sexual gratification from someone else.
So, basically, you consider it.... in some way reasonable (not permissible, mind, but in some way at least not-completely-insane) for someone to assault their life partner because they - not so much as actually cheated on them, but have thought, sexually, of another person, even though they have no serious intent of getting it on with the other person - and indeed, if the other person does not exist?
Is that right?
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>That is your opinion. You should be more concerned about the pathology of the porn-consuming husband, than the anger of the wife.<
"Pathology"? Seriously? The Onion?
I was speaking of porn generally, not that specific case. I haven't seen a paper copy of The Onion in years, so I have no idea what's in it. I thought it was just news parodies.
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Here we are in the same old cycle. I say something that should be totally unremarkable, and then some people are perfectly mortified that I'm not buying into the same post-modern notions they go for.
To encapsulate my viewpoint common sense, if my wife were to come home and find that I was looking up naked porn ladies on the internets, and if she were to give me a black eye, I would consider it well-deserved. I would not report it as an assault. No, I'm not saying it should be perfectly legal, but I would expect the police to be laughing at me while they took down my statement.
(For the record, my wife has never been violent toward me, or anyone else that I know of.)
Am I saying that it is OK for women to hit men just because they are angry? No.
Am I saying that men who are severely, or regularly beaten by their wives should shut up and take it? No, I'm not talking about that. The woman in the story apparently was not able to do that much damage. Those are the kinds of "assaults" I'm talking about.
Am I saying it would be acceptable for a man to hit his wife for the same reasons? No. Hitting women is only acceptable for circumstances like self-defense, obviously.
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For a man to attack a woman is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than for either sex to attack a man.
Why?
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And this is considered bad? I was under the impression virtually everyone did so?
Still lustful. Does it mean we don't do it? Sure we do. But then we, in general, do a lot of things we shouldn't do or that plenty would consider wrong.
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>If you are using porn, you are clearly not having a healthy relationship.<
Not your call. I can think of many reasons why one partner or the other may decide to utilize porn (speaking of actual porn, not the Onion), yet still have a healthy relationship. Such defined as "all partners happy"
Not my call? I think I am allowed to have an opinion on whether or not a relationship is healthy just about anything.
I would not go so far as to say that it dooms the entire relationship, but a little adultery can hardly be good for it. If you have a different view of porn and the morality thereof, you'll think differently, but such is my opinion.
>Of course there is. Again, read carefully to avoid unwarranted inferences. (Hint: I said it was bad; not as bad.)<
This is a judgement based on the teachings of your faith. Kinda loses traction when applied to folks who don't follow the same faith
Huh? Somebody asked me a question about Christ's view of "looking at women to lust after them." Besides, Christ didn't say it was just wrong for His own followers. He said it was wrong, period.
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To encapsulate my viewpoint common sense, if my wife were to come home and find that I was looking up naked porn ladies on the internets, and if she were to give me a black eye, I would consider it well-deserved. I would not report it as an assault. No, I'm not saying it should be perfectly legal, but I would expect the police to be laughing at me while they took down my statement.
In my view, if my significant other gives me a black eye for any reason short of a sudden-onset mental illness ("oh god! spiders everywhere!") or mistaken identification ("I thought you were a burglar, honey"), it's clear that our relationship has already ended, or in a serious danger of ending within the next five minutes.
[I might consider staying if the other person takes an anger management thing. ]
[Naturally, I do not do things that, in my belief system, would justify a loved one punching me.]
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Why?
In most cases, it runs afoul of "pick on someone your own size." In other cases, well, they're still women.
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In my view, if my significant other gives me a black eye for any reason short of a sudden-onset mental illness ("oh god! spiders everywhere!") or mistaken identification ("I thought you were a burglar, honey"), it's clear that our relationship has already ended, or in a serious danger of ending within the next five minutes.
Some women take looking at porn just as seriously.
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It seems to me physically attacking another person, or acting in ways that would normally otherwise invite a violent response, and hiding behind the fact that "I am a woman/handicapped/whatever" is the height of human dishonesty.
Some women take looking at porn just as seriously.
Then they are crazy, abusive women.
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It seems to me physically attacking another person, or acting in ways that would normally otherwise invite a violent response, and hiding behind the fact that "I am a woman/handicapped/whatever" is the height of human dishonesty.
What are you talking about?
Then they are crazy, abusive women.
Women offended by porn are abusive? How so?
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No, women whose offense to porn goes to the extent they physically beat their husbands are abusive.
This shouldn't be confusing.
People who abuse their spouses are abusive.
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Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.
Nice how you keep comparing this to women getting beaten, though. Class move.
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Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.
Nice how you keep comparing this to women getting beaten, though. Class move.
I see no distinction. Abuse is abuse. There isn't 'less abusive' or 'more abusive' because of the genders involved.
Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.
So if a husband just gets slapped around a little, its all well and good. If he gets a black eye, well people are clumsy and fall down stairs all the time, right?
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I do not consider it to be different in a meaningful way.
And that specific woman is certainly no better than an abusive husband.
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Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.
Nice how you keep comparing this to women getting beaten, though. Class move.
You seem to be pedestalizing women. What is your philosophical basis for such? Why is it worse to punch out Jean than Gene?
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Ok... not going to actually address anything more to the porn argument: we have different viewpoints, we'll leave it at that.
What you might not realize, fistful, is the view "man hitting woman>woman hitting ,man" is a very insidious thought in our society, and leads to abused men (yeah, they're out there) being FAR less likely to report abuse/leave the unhealthy situation.
Is kinda similar to rape victims being viewed as "having asked for it". That societal judgement is a HUGE problem.